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H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:40 PM Apr 2023

Is Everbody In?




Older DUers familiar with the "Beat Generation" will remember Willam Burroughs. I'm paying tribute to the author of "The Naked Lunch" on Arraigment Day, knowing that few here recall the rebels that followed the Silent Generation, and were known as "beatniks" in their day. With Richard Nixon serving as vice president, they knew something was bery wrong in America.

Today reminds me of when Nixon was forced from the presidency.

Is everybody in? Is everybody in? The fun has begun.
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Is Everbody In? (Original Post) H2O Man Apr 2023 OP
And...has everyone taken their BP meds? Lars39 Apr 2023 #1
I haven't H2O Man Apr 2023 #3
Of course! Lars39 Apr 2023 #9
Hey man. I'm in! sueh Apr 2023 #2
A great day H2O Man Apr 2023 #4
My meezer Meowmee Apr 2023 #5
Speculation on my part, H2O Man Apr 2023 #6
Yeah maybe Meowmee Apr 2023 #8
Rep Taylor Greene! H2O Man Apr 2023 #13
Yep Meowmee Apr 2023 #15
I remember the beat generation from my childhood. spanone Apr 2023 #7
When I was young, H2O Man Apr 2023 #14
Having a 'tea party' of sorts after the Paschal Fast w/ circle of buddies. sprinkleeninow Apr 2023 #10
Over the decades, H2O Man Apr 2023 #16
I never got to meet him MuseRider Apr 2023 #11
He was a fascinating human. H2O Man Apr 2023 #17
This HAS to end soon. MuseRider Apr 2023 #21
My west coast brother H2O Man Apr 2023 #24
I gave it all up MuseRider Apr 2023 #26
No. H2O Man Apr 2023 #28
Exactly! MuseRider Apr 2023 #29
I have a lot H2O Man Apr 2023 #30
Yes the day Nixon resigned ... THAT was a sweet day FakeNoose Apr 2023 #12
Right. H2O Man Apr 2023 #19
I'd like to share another great WSB recording MagickMuffin Apr 2023 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2023 #20
Indeed MagickMuffin Apr 2023 #22
Right. H2O Man Apr 2023 #23
it sure warmed my heart to see margie 3 toes hustled right back into her suv. mopinko Apr 2023 #25
Your heading H2O Man Apr 2023 #27

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
6. Speculation on my part,
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:55 PM
Apr 2023

but I am convinced that Burroughs was anticipating the psychosis that Trump is experiencing today. I could be wrong, of course.

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
14. When I was young,
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:15 PM
Apr 2023

beatniks seemed somehow intimidating, always quoting someone or another.

Man! We have waited a long time for this! My phone has been ringing off the hook!

sprinkleeninow

(22,473 posts)
10. Having a 'tea party' of sorts after the Paschal Fast w/ circle of buddies.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:59 PM
Apr 2023
I suggested we should brush up on beatnik talk for kicks. As long as we don't get too rowdy loud at the restaurant. 😎 😝

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
16. Over the decades,
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:19 PM
Apr 2023

I've enjoyed a friendship with David Peel ("& the Lower East Side Gang&quot I played with them once in Woodstock. I always thought that David was the "missing link" between Beatniks and Hippies.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
11. I never got to meet him
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:07 PM
Apr 2023

as he wandered the streets of Lawrence. I was just a teeny tad too young, was busy getting a degree but spent enough time in Lawrence that I should have. Missed the chance.

Everybody's in!

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
17. He was a fascinating human.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:22 PM
Apr 2023

I'm hoping the judge places a gag order on the Ugliest American.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
21. This HAS to end soon.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:40 PM
Apr 2023

I am so sick of this man (I know, we all are) but I cannot look away from this. I will not be happy until the man is removed from society.

I have heard some interesting things about him, WB, but have forgotten more than I heard. I believe he is mentioned in the book (one of many many) Cows Are Freaky When They Look At You: An Oral History of the Kaw Valley Hemp Pickers. It has been a long time since I read that, oh what memories.

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
24. My west coast brother
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:57 PM
Apr 2023

told me he turns the news off the second that either Trump or MTG come on. I've purposely limited how much of those two or their ilk that I watch. I imagine Richard Nixon, looking down from hell at Trump, shaking his head in disgust.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
26. I gave it all up
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:07 PM
Apr 2023

a while back except for things like this. It makes me itchy. I have to admit, I still get the news and get mad, but it is a different animal than it is getting it for hours and hours told by people who you question what their biases are. I always enjoyed listening to the news but it has changed so much.

Funny about Nixon. Did you ever figure there would be anything worse here that Watergate and Nixon and his minions? Regan might probably be because he had enough backing to do some rotten stuff, Bush.....it really is a constant game of wrecking things and trying to get our heads above water. As soon as we can breathe we get sunk again. It is tiresome. I want to see this man suffer and that is not something I usually ever really want but this guy,,,he has had enough happy in his life on everyone else's backs. Let him finish it in custody.

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
28. No.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:14 PM
Apr 2023

I have a clear memory of the night Nixon resigned, thinking our country would never be subjected to anyone as bad, much less worse.

But soon there was Reagan, Bush the Elder & Bush the W. It seemed that "I didn't think it could get worse than Nixon!" became my mantra. Yet I never thought that anyone with Trump's character could become president.

MuseRider

(35,176 posts)
29. Exactly!
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:01 PM
Apr 2023

How in the hell did this happen? I know all the usual reasons and I get it but I do not understand how we find ourselves here. We let so much go when we actually had the power. There was so much to clean up each time and so much being very careful to not make the others angry we just never did what we needed to do.

I was in and out when Trump's lawyers were speaking. Sounded like BS to me what I heard. Now I feel worried he WILL get away with this and be allowed to run free and perhaps take over again. *because apparently we do not think with our real brains anymore*

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
30. I have a lot
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:52 PM
Apr 2023

of confidence in, and respect for, D.A. Bragg. Yet I recognize that there is a very real potential for the case to be appealed up to the US Supreme Court. And I consider the USSC to be corrupted by the christian right. Even though the federal courts have not supported or enabled Trump in recent years, I still have concerns.

The chances of his ever being elected again are not as much of a concern, though I think he might well get the republican nomination. However, by the 4th of July, I anticipate that Mr. Smith will bring charges on one of the two cases being investigated. I had thought it would be the stolen documents case by June; however, it appears that recent testimony indicated that further investigation was required to identify exactly which donors he showed classified documents to. Since some came from foreign friends, there is an increased need to know everyone he gave access to.

The January 6 investigation, I think, is also wrapping up. Several of Trump's administration are confronte wit Mr. Smith saying testify or face potential indictment. I exclude Pence from that list, though he will be testifying soon. But I think he dollowed legal advice, and stayed clear of criminal actions. Still, he betrayed the country by not speaking up pre-J6.

FakeNoose

(42,426 posts)
12. Yes the day Nixon resigned ... THAT was a sweet day
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:09 PM
Apr 2023

But then we found out the Ford gave him an unconditional pardon, and it sort of ruined it.

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
19. Right.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:29 PM
Apr 2023

I was mad as hell when Ford did that. Furious. But during the 1990s, reading a variety of materials about it, I've concluded that Nixon told Haig that he planned to demand "national security" documents for his defense, knowing that the DOJ could not allow them to become part of a court record. Haig, of course, was the Joint Chiefs' man in the White House, and he was concerned any conflict like that would inflict further damage to the country. Hence, he got Ford to agree to pardon Nixon.

I think that it can be debated if Nixon could have been convicted. I think that the most likely outcome would have been his poor health would have led to his death before it went to court. For a guy who claimed to be his best under pressure, he was melting under Watergate. I make no position on if his death would have been good or bad for the country.

MagickMuffin

(18,362 posts)
18. I'd like to share another great WSB recording
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:26 PM
Apr 2023






The great Laurie Anderson recorded with him.

So many poets and modern day philosophers gone before this nightmare in America


Thanks for sharing!


H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
20. Thank you!
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:32 PM
Apr 2023

That's great!

People today tend to be cut off from the past. And that's a shame. (And not just because they aren't familiar with majoun. But that helps one fully grasp Burroughs.)

MagickMuffin

(18,362 posts)
22. Indeed
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:42 PM
Apr 2023

The philosophers and beat poets I would like to give a DU shoutout to:

Robert Anton Wilson

Timothy Leary

Ram Dass

Alan Watts

Allen Ginsberg

To name a few of my favorites

They would have had a field day with the current state of affairs. Especially the first two, Robert and Timothy would’ve explained the “hive mentality” we’ve been subjected to by these dark forces.


H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
23. Right.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:52 PM
Apr 2023

Burroughs wrote about "the Ugly Spirit," which he viewed as an individual experience. I think we've witnessed it infecting the hive.

I find it hilarious that those around Trump claim that he welcomed this day. Bullshit. He is a sociopath, having numerous personality factors from Cluster B. Among these are the narcissistic ones that have made him fear public humiliation. And today was his worst fears rising to the surface.

mopinko

(73,943 posts)
25. it sure warmed my heart to see margie 3 toes hustled right back into her suv.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:01 PM
Apr 2023

a thing of beauty, that was. and of course, she didnt have a permit.
reminds me of his attempt to campaign in chgo. that day is on my mind anyway, this being election day here. i have a good feeling. weather is crappy, but it wont get ugly til tonight.

nixon took his last ride on marine 1 on my bday. and the mango menace woke up screaming about the fbi ‘raid’ on my bday. i wonder what i’ll get this year.

H2O Man

(79,257 posts)
27. Your heading
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:09 PM
Apr 2023

had me laughing ..... and I agree 100%.

The film clip I saw of Donald walking out was hilarious. If I saw a boxer walking towards the ring with that look, I'd expect them to submit in the first round. Were I to see a man in prison doing the same, it would be "dead man walking."

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