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Tommy Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 10:35 AM Apr 2023

He's actually hating this. Don't be fooled.

Yes, much has been made about Donald Trump using his New York indictment and other pending legal troubles as campaign finance fuel.

Yes, his supporters are trying to frame him as some sort of righteous outlaw, some sort of Robin Hood, sticking it to the Man and the dreaded Deep State perpetually trying to bring him down.

Hell, Marge Greene actually compared to Nelson Mandela and Jesus.

Yes, Jesus. No joke.

But let's not fool ourselves about any of this. For all the punditry talk about Donald Trump using this unprecedented indictment to his political advantage, for all the long-winded, all-caps tweets--err, sorry, "Truths"--from the Former Office Occupant, there's one thing that's absolutely undeniable.

He hates this.

He absolutely hates every single thing about this.

Of all the images from Tuesday, one of the most indelible of all was this still photo of Trump in the courtroom:



It's rather astonishing. You see him sitting in this dark, dingy, wood-paneled New York criminal courtroom. He's wearing his trademark red tie but conspicuously absent is that trademark shit-eating smirk of his. Instead, his face remains plain, his eyes signaling considerable discomfort. He's sitting hunched over in the middle of the Defendant's table, surrounded by his no-name, two-bit Defense attorneys and a couple of uniformed officers of the Court.

And in this one picture, we see someone who once held the very highest office in the land, and who was presumably one of the most powerful men on earth, and yet he looks no different than any other pathetic defendant in any other highly publicized criminal trial that we've seen splashed on TV over the decades.

And what's worse is that while, yes, this day is all about him, it's not about his power. Because the guy who once sat at the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office for four years is now sitting in an undersized chair at a plain wooden Defendant's table, and he's not the guy in charge in the room. Instead, he's literally facing a judge, a common state court judge at the trial level, and that judge is now the most important and powerful guy in this world instead of him.

And that absolutely has to kill him. The lack of power. The lack of control. For all the bluster, for all the showmanship of his private jet, of his tall Manhattan Tower, of his gilded Mar-a-Lago palace, everything about him here is centered in this fluorescently-lit, cheap wood paneled criminal courtroom.

In short, he now feels like what we have already known him to be for years: a loser.

He knows he's a loser, because he committed the very worst sin that he could ever imagine, and that was that he got caught.

There's no actual remorse for his deeds because there's never been any actual conscience in the man, but there is now a gnawing internal sense of self-pity and self-hatred because he's been forced to account. And that betrays all dignity.

Remember he teased and demeaned John McCain for his perceived sin of being captured in wartime. And while in actuality being a Prisoner of War is absolutely nothing like being a criminal defendant charged with multiple felonies, in Trump's feeble, malignantly narcissitic mind, there is no difference.

He got caught. And now he's a loser.

So yes, he hates this.

He hates every single waking minute of it.

And I, for one, can't be any happier for that fact.

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He's actually hating this. Don't be fooled. (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Apr 2023 OP
Schadenfreude Faux pas Apr 2023 #1
Viva La Vida Tommy Carcetti Apr 2023 #2
Thanks for the lyrics! Delphinus Apr 2023 #24
Cool! Very appropos! lastlib Apr 2023 #30
I was born with so-so hearing which makes lyrics sometimes challenging, so... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #31
YES! Faux pas Apr 2023 #38
Here is a great cover of it. PurgedVoter Apr 2023 #60
Can't wait to see him in orange at140 Apr 2023 #3
Monochromatic Seinan Sensei Apr 2023 #59
I think he is also deeply wounded that his army of morons didn't commit violence on his behalf. zuul Apr 2023 #4
Let's hope it stays that way KS Toronado Apr 2023 #17
I have similar concerns. After the 2020 election result wnylib Apr 2023 #35
Takes time to stir the pot orthoclad Apr 2023 #56
I am sure it offends him that people are calling him out and trying to embarassing him. Thomas Hurt Apr 2023 #5
Pouty McPoutface C_U_L8R Apr 2023 #6
he probable never even appeared in court GenXer47 Apr 2023 #7
another one NJCher Apr 2023 #20
Oooo, good! I didn't know he was kicked out of Britain & Australia for what he's done here... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #32
That's a myth. TwilightZone Apr 2023 #36
Oh. Oh, well... sigh. electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #41
Yes, mores the pity canetoad Apr 2023 #58
He deserves every minute of this, and more. And he'll get more. Ocelot II Apr 2023 #8
Yeah, I like Presidents who HAVEN'T been indicted and arraigned on felonies Rorey Apr 2023 #9
"I like presidents who weren't captured" orthoclad Apr 2023 #57
The hunched-over posture says it all. enough Apr 2023 #10
He was in denial, tuned out of reality, and daydreaming. usonian Apr 2023 #11
That's his "resigned to my fate" face Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #12
I think of it as his calculating face, wnylib Apr 2023 #39
Looks like a cornered pig. The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2023 #13
Melania better get out before there's nothing left for a divorce settlement. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2023 #14
Judge warns 'defendant' Trump: Ari Melber breaks down lengthy arraignment LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #15
"He looks no different than any other pathetic defendant " PatSeg Apr 2023 #16
enjoying it republianmushroom Apr 2023 #18
Not just a loser, a poser too. CaptainTruth Apr 2023 #19
His aircraft carrier flattop looks as if it needs work Larissa Apr 2023 #21
Your words Delphinus Apr 2023 #22
That's a FANTASTIC idea! calimary Apr 2023 #27
Deflated Wild blueberry Apr 2023 #23
This is a brilliant photo! The men and women surrounding Trump look, and are, serious adults, with LaMouffette Apr 2023 #25
For frak's sake... OldBaldy1701E Apr 2023 #26
He's also raised something like 12 million dollars. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #28
That will buy orangecrush Apr 2023 #50
certainly he does. barbtries Apr 2023 #29
I wasn't fooled for a nanosecond Septua Apr 2023 #33
me either. barbtries Apr 2023 #40
THIS: Schadenfreude! electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #34
Under Her Eye irisblue Apr 2023 #37
That's his zoned out face when he has to do what other people tell him and it's so boring. betsuni Apr 2023 #42
Something else that should be noticed Mr.Bill Apr 2023 #43
He just loaded his Depends! The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #44
Kick dalton99a Apr 2023 #45
Yes, Trump absolutely hates it. He hates being forced to do anything he doesn't want to do. Martin68 Apr 2023 #46
Remember the Washington Correspondents Dinner when Obama told the jokes about Chump? FakeNoose Apr 2023 #47
Look at your Puppet Now, Putin.. Cha Apr 2023 #48
"but even some hardcore democrats... " orangecrush Apr 2023 #49
It's possible that in a previous lifetime Trump actually met Jesus, and talked with him. patphil Apr 2023 #51
A reporter who was in the court room said BigmanPigman Apr 2023 #52
That's what I'd like to hear! 😄 electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #53
His eyes were so red it looked like they were bleeding. You are absolutely right. Scrivener7 Apr 2023 #54
I've been trying to get a read on the legal situation in the NY case Jarqui Apr 2023 #55
The guy at the far end of the table is Moscow-born Boris Epshteyn, who runs Sinclair broadcasting. Snarkoleptic Apr 2023 #61
Suck it Slobfather -- wallow and fester in your self-made misery Blue Owl Apr 2023 #62
His hair is awful. Demanchor Apr 2023 #63
That is a fantastic picture of Trump. Demobrat Apr 2023 #64
To me it look likes tfg is thinking "I hope they don't find out about..." nt C Moon Apr 2023 #65
That's Former Office Occupant Loser -- F.O.O.L. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2023 #66
Dude shoulda read up on Nixon Kennah Apr 2023 #67
The slob is minting money from his supporters, he is enjoying the limelight. He is profiting! NT akbacchus_BC Apr 2023 #68
excellent assessment Skittles Apr 2023 #69
Cornered rat? Aussie105 Apr 2023 #70
I Like ex-Presidents That Weren't Arrested ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #71

Tommy Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
2. Viva La Vida
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 10:47 AM
Apr 2023


I used to rule the world
Seas would rise when I gave the word
Now in the morning I sleep alone
Sweep the streets I used to own

I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy’s eyes
Listened as the crowd would sing
Now the old king is dead long live the king
One minute I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
Missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can’t explain
Once you’d gone there was never
Never an honest word
And that was when I ruled the world

It was a wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn’t believe what I’d become
Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Oh who would ever want to be king?

I hear Jerusalem bells a-ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can’t explain
I know St Peter won’t call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world

Hear Jerusalem bells a-ringing
Roman cavalry choirs are singing
Be my mirror, my sword and shield
My missionaries in a foreign field
For some reason I can’t explain
I know St Peter won’t call my name
Never an honest word
But that was when I ruled the world

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
24. Thanks for the lyrics!
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:16 PM
Apr 2023

I've often heard the song and love the music; couldn't always hear the lyrics so made up my own. I really had no idea that my words were so different from what they are actually singing.

zuul

(14,628 posts)
4. I think he is also deeply wounded that his army of morons didn't commit violence on his behalf.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 10:48 AM
Apr 2023

He's been calling and calling to them, and this time they didn't show up.

KS Toronado

(17,317 posts)
17. Let's hope it stays that way
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:51 AM
Apr 2023

I'm afraid as more Grand Juries indict him and the walls of reality get tighter & tighter, he'll attempt to start
a civil war or something similar to keep his ass out of prison.

If Jack Smith charges him with treason and paints him as a traitor, should take the wind out of most magat's sails.
And hopefully question why they vote reQublican.

wnylib

(21,606 posts)
35. I have similar concerns. After the 2020 election result
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 01:14 PM
Apr 2023

was finally decided and announced, I remember several people commenting that, despite Trump claiming that he won, there was no violence. I also remember that I said that his followers would get more vocal, belligerent, and out of control as time went on and we got closer to inauguration day. And then J6 was worse than even I expected.

So, as more indictments come, I expect the MAGA reaction to get worse. I don't know how far they will go, or how bad it will get. But I do expect violence.


orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
56. Takes time to stir the pot
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 07:29 PM
Apr 2023

I think the violence this time will be scattered, like power station attacks and shooting into homes, until they can replicate the J6 conditions: massive numbers and pushback crippled.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
5. I am sure it offends him that people are calling him out and trying to embarassing him.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 10:49 AM
Apr 2023

He hates everyone because everyone is responsible for his situation. Now he has to get even.

And God forbid he not use every opportunity to grift more cash.

NJCher

(35,730 posts)
20. another one
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:59 AM
Apr 2023

who is "getting his" is Rupert Murdoch. He was just told he has to appear in court. Previously he thought depositions would be enough.

Nope. Nopity nope, nope, nope, said the judge.

These freakin' people think they are so above the law. Can you imagine thinking you won't have to appear in a case where your company is being sued for $1.6 billion?


electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
32. Oooo, good! I didn't know he was kicked out of Britain & Australia for what he's done here...
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:42 PM
Apr 2023

until a poster mentioned it yesterday or so.

Such damage along with Liblargh that he's done to our country!

Ocelot II

(115,836 posts)
8. He deserves every minute of this, and more. And he'll get more.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:00 AM
Apr 2023

The reality is that there's no equivalent amount of punishment that can be imposed on him sufficient to make up for the incalculable damage he's done; but God help me, I'm really enjoying watching what's just the beginning of at least some measure of comeuppance.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
9. Yeah, I like Presidents who HAVEN'T been indicted and arraigned on felonies
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:00 AM
Apr 2023

Great post!

And, in the words of Kim Gargoyle, "the best is yet to come!"

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
12. That's his "resigned to my fate" face
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:09 AM
Apr 2023

Unhappy, but feeling it's out of his hands in that courtroom at that moment, which is discomforting to him, for sure.

wnylib

(21,606 posts)
39. I think of it as his calculating face,
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 01:40 PM
Apr 2023

silently planning his next move to regain control outside of the courtroom. I can easily imagine him thinking that he will never let anyone put him in that position again. So he silently thinks over what he can do to prevent the court from having control over him again.

As he gets more desperate, his "solutions" will be more bizarre, maybe more violent if he can get the sipporters for it.


PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
16. "He looks no different than any other pathetic defendant "
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:46 AM
Apr 2023

In some ways yes, but still, no one looks quite like Trump in the real world. He looks like an exaggerated caricature of himself. After all these years, I am still flabbergasted at how ridiculous and bizarre he looks.

Yes I agree, he is hating this. He has no control.

CaptainTruth

(6,601 posts)
19. Not just a loser, a poser too.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 11:59 AM
Apr 2023

His "success" & "briiliance" is just an act, a thin facade with nothing substantial behind it.

He's been a poser his entire business career.

Larissa

(790 posts)
21. His aircraft carrier flattop looks as if it needs work
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:07 PM
Apr 2023

Must have stiffed the stylist as he's done everyone else. Once the wind hits it, the comb-over will stand up on one side like a tombstone. The look you see on his face is straight up fear. He won't spend a day in prison, but I'm sure he's contemplated the possibility of wearing a used orange jump suit.

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
22. Your words
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:08 PM
Apr 2023

are poetry. I hope you send this to your local newspaper or post it on a blog so that the world can read it.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
27. That's a FANTASTIC idea!
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:23 PM
Apr 2023

It should be shared EVERYWHERE.

Every set of human eyes in this country, if not the world, should be able to see it and savor it.

LaMouffette

(2,039 posts)
25. This is a brilliant photo! The men and women surrounding Trump look, and are, serious adults, with
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:21 PM
Apr 2023

serious, adult expressions on their faces, whereas Defendant Trump looks like a spoiled and spiteful toddler being made to sit in a corner after getting caught doing something truly awful.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,157 posts)
26. For frak's sake...
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:22 PM
Apr 2023
And in this one picture, we see someone who once held the very highest office in the land, and who was presumably one of the most powerful men on earth, and yet he looks no different than any other pathetic defendant in any other highly publicized criminal trial that we've seen splashed on TV over the decades.


That is because he is no different... at least he would not be if it were not for our two-tiered justice system and the MSM saying this type of thing all the time. WE ARE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. If we are not (and we are not) then they need to just stop with the propaganda.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
28. He's also raised something like 12 million dollars.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:27 PM
Apr 2023

He's also gained in the polls.

Sickening to me, it but probably takes the sting out of the indictment for him.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
29. certainly he does.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:31 PM
Apr 2023

what's unprecedented is that he has ever had to actually face consequences for any of his bad acts and crimes.

i have zero pity for him. absolutely zero. i hope he suffers, and it comforts me knowing that for all the rest of his days he will be hounded by his own choices, his own past.

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
34. THIS: Schadenfreude!
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 12:57 PM
Apr 2023

I try to not take a lot on certain people's misfortunes. Some if they've done real harm to others.

But in his case (and a few others should some justice come to pass);

I have Schadenfreude, bigly!!!!!

The damage he's done, and it's echoes continue to do so on us, and the world - he deserves every miserable second of it!



And may it only get worse for him!!!

irisblue

(33,023 posts)
37. Under Her Eye
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 01:26 PM
Apr 2023

I love the reality and symbolism of a masked black woman bailiff standing guard, in over that citizen who is in that court to plead to several felony charges.

Sweet

betsuni

(25,617 posts)
42. That's his zoned out face when he has to do what other people tell him and it's so boring.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:01 PM
Apr 2023

He needs a Diet Coke and to get back home to watch himself on TV, which is actually the real world.

Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
43. Something else that should be noticed
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 02:36 PM
Apr 2023

is that the fact that it took so long to indict him and one DA not indicting him at all is being used as proof that he couldn't possibly be guilty of anything. The right wing talking point I'm seeing here and there on the internet is if he was guilty, why was he not indicted a long time ago?

And I bet we will hear the same thing with any other indictments yet to come. This is one of the dangers of taking so long. But, I'm no expert on these matters, just an observation on my part, and maybe somtheing that should be addressed by some of the more liberal talking heads.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
44. He just loaded his Depends!
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 03:08 PM
Apr 2023

That is gonna make you uncomfortable.
Everybody else sitting there is thinking what stinks.

Martin68

(22,877 posts)
46. Yes, Trump absolutely hates it. He hates being forced to do anything he doesn't want to do.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 03:40 PM
Apr 2023

I wish we had video of his fingerprinting. Somebody should put up a deepfake video of that.

FakeNoose

(32,748 posts)
47. Remember the Washington Correspondents Dinner when Obama told the jokes about Chump?
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 03:50 PM
Apr 2023

I think it was in 2012, Chump sat in the audience quietly fuming, while everyone was laughing and Obama told his jokes. We've seen the Youtube video on DU before, it's a classic. Chump just sat there quietly fuming, and that was when he vowed to get revenge on Obama.

This picture sort of reminds me of that night. We should get used to this version of Chump, because we'll be seeing a lot more of the fuming, angry Chump who just sits there, stony-faced.

patphil

(6,207 posts)
51. It's possible that in a previous lifetime Trump actually met Jesus, and talked with him.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 05:28 PM
Apr 2023

I think Jesus said something to the effect of, "Get thee behind me Satan".

BigmanPigman

(51,627 posts)
52. A reporter who was in the court room said
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 05:46 PM
Apr 2023

that he has never seen tRump look so shaken, gaunt and angry. GOOD!

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
55. I've been trying to get a read on the legal situation in the NY case
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 07:23 PM
Apr 2023

I think his face reflects what his lawyers told him.

You can never guarantee a legal outcome but Bragg seems to have a good case.
He's got him on the misdemeanors and he has a bunch of paths to flip them into felonies.

They'll challenge to have the case moved.
They'll drag it out as much as they can with appeals, etc
They'll challenge via the statute of limitations though it doesn't favor Trump.
They'll challenge via the John Edwards "trying to protect Melania" but Bragg has emails that refute that.
They'll challenge the path from misdemeanor to felony but they have so many, it is hard to imagine one won't stick.

One thing folks haven't talked about:
Weisselberg and probably others are weighing flipping.
This indictment shatters the Teflon Don persona.
It gives them an indication of what is to come when they hear the GA, Mar-a-lago and Jan6th cases are stronger with more teeth.
Weisselberg would certainly know the threat of bank & insurance fraud and tax crimes Trump faces.
I don't think this indictment hurts the various DoJs trying to flip witnesses.

Trump has to face EJ Carroll's rape suit later this month. These indictments don't help his cause.
Trump has to face AG James $250 mil civil suit in October. These indictments don't help his cause.

I still think NY is going to nail him with more indictments for financial fraud, tax crimes and conspiracy or racketeering.
The GA, Mar-a-lago and Jan6th cases seem to be progressing well - going against Trump.

From that, it is possible that this day may be the best day of the rest of his life. It could be all downhill from here.

Snarkoleptic

(6,001 posts)
61. The guy at the far end of the table is Moscow-born Boris Epshteyn, who runs Sinclair broadcasting.
Thu Apr 6, 2023, 10:08 PM
Apr 2023

All roads lead to Putin with this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Epshteyn
He ran a cryptocurrency startup into the ditch with Steve Bannon.(more at the Wikipedia link)

In October 2013, Epshteyn moderated a panel at the investment conference "Invest in Moscow!". The panel was composed mainly of Moscow city government officials, including Sergey Cheremin, a city minister who heads Moscow's foreign economic and international relations department.[18]


After Trump lost the election, Epshteyn was a member of a team that gathered at a "command center" in the Willard Hotel one block from the White House days before Joe Biden's victory was to be certified by Vice President Mike Pence in the Senate chamber on January 6. The team's objective was to prevent Biden's victory from being certified.

Demanchor

(127 posts)
63. His hair is awful.
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 12:34 AM
Apr 2023

I’m sorry but seriously this guy’s hair is awful and creepy.

If he has a hair guy he needs to be fired. I’m just sayin’

His hair is awful

Aussie105

(5,433 posts)
70. Cornered rat?
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 08:07 AM
Apr 2023

All the vile defiant vitriol he has spouted since returning to Mar-a-Lago says quite clearly that he is running scared.

Trump and accountability aren't on close terms.

As for the money we are told has been flowing in from supporters - really?

Some confirmation needed on that $$$ amount from an independent source.

Trump's problems aren't fixable with money, no matter how big the pile is.

When he said 'I am your retribution' it was a clear signal to cut him off at the knees before any 'retribution' could be organised and put into practise.
Promising revenge on those he feels have wronged him over the years calls for a strong and immediate response - no option left to go soft on him.

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