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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 12:37 PM Apr 2023

US Air Traffic Control Shortages Are Now Causing More Airlines To Cancel Flights

Simple Flying

Airlines across the United States are weighing up measures to reduce summer schedules amid an ongoing air traffic control (ATC) personnel shortage.

In March, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) released guidance for airlines operating out of New York and Washington DC, raising concerns that the prolonged ATC staff shortages could increase delays by up to 45% during 2023.

Major carriers, including American Airlines, United Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and JetBlue, have all looked to slash operations at New York’s John F. Kennedy (JFK), LaGuardia (LGA), and Newark (EWR) airports in line with the FAA’s requirements to prevent delays and disruptions through the remainder of the busy summer season.

In an interview with CNBC, JetBlue chief executive Robin Hayes confirmed the airline’s decision, noting it as a pre-emptive measure to avoid travel mayhem this year.
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US Air Traffic Control Shortages Are Now Causing More Airlines To Cancel Flights (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2023 OP
The age limit to become an air traffic controller is 31. Renew Deal Apr 2023 #1
That link is dead. MontanaMama Apr 2023 #3
Try This One ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #6
So do I Renew Deal Apr 2023 #7
Mandatory retirement age is 56. DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2023 #8
I imagine that's because of the salary Renew Deal Apr 2023 #9
Hey, if AI is so great, let's turn ATC over to it. Watch how fast people shit bricks about that. TheBlackAdder Apr 2023 #2
I was thinking AI would be a great solution too n/t Victor_c3 Apr 2023 #10
Thank you so much, Ronald Reagan, who broke the back of the union Hekate Apr 2023 #4
If For No Other RobinA Apr 2023 #5
It is a high stress job. Behind the Aegis Apr 2023 #11
Um, GOOD. Because I don't want to fly without enough of them. Maru Kitteh Apr 2023 #12

Renew Deal

(85,349 posts)
1. The age limit to become an air traffic controller is 31.
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 12:47 PM
Apr 2023

Last edited Fri Apr 7, 2023, 01:40 PM - Edit history (2)

Why? I have no idea. I know that there is a lot of training involved but 31 is VERY low.

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-are-age-requirements-individuals-without-previous-air-traffic-control-atc-experience

Fixed link

Renew Deal

(85,349 posts)
7. So do I
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 01:41 PM
Apr 2023

They might not be able to get the long term time commitment but I doubt even that. 10-15 good years is better than limiting a giant portion of the population that is still figuring out careers.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,527 posts)
8. Mandatory retirement age is 56.
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 03:02 PM
Apr 2023

So 36 is the actual limit for those with prior experience in order for them to get the 20 years in for retirement. 31 is the limit for people with no prior experience. FAA says the age limit is because it more difficult for those older to get through the training.

Renew Deal

(85,349 posts)
9. I imagine that's because of the salary
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 03:26 PM
Apr 2023

But it could also be about finding time for training. I bet there's some things they can do to add 10 years to the ceiling like paying more, spending more time on training, and maybe making promotions more gradual in the lower ranks.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
2. Hey, if AI is so great, let's turn ATC over to it. Watch how fast people shit bricks about that.
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 12:48 PM
Apr 2023

.

Can you imagine this: New York's Lights Out Air Traffic Control Center.



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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
4. Thank you so much, Ronald Reagan, who broke the back of the union
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 01:27 PM
Apr 2023

He fired all the air traffic controllers at the same time, meaning all the newbies would start at the same time, thus ensuring that decades down the road there would be a massive wave of retirements…

Of course there’s been other crap that’s gone into this mess, but that was an outstanding move.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
5. If For No Other
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 01:30 PM
Apr 2023

reason (and there are plenty), I despise the man for that very reason.

Behind the Aegis

(56,209 posts)
11. It is a high stress job.
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 03:50 PM
Apr 2023

I have brother who worked as one, and decided to retire early. He worked for one of the airports in NYC. I couldn't do it. Of course, I have never been able to get him or any of his ATC buddies to explain to me the oxymoron that is "a near miss". Huh?

Maru Kitteh

(32,005 posts)
12. Um, GOOD. Because I don't want to fly without enough of them.
Fri Apr 7, 2023, 03:55 PM
Apr 2023

Just like I don't want to be the patient of a nurse at the end of a 14 hour shift caring for 17 people in acute care.


Bad shit happens.




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