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bigtree

(94,261 posts)
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:35 AM Apr 2023

It's not just the lavish personal travel, Crow paid organizations which in turn paid Ginni

Greg Pinelo @gregpinelo 20h
It's not just the lavish personal travel that is so troubling. Crow was filling the Thomas family coffers through large donations to organizations which in turn paid Ginni. It's a classic pass-through that makes a mockery of ethics.

ClearingTheFog @clearing_fog · 20h
The timing is interesting. With $550K from Harlan Crow, Ginni Thomas founded what may have been the very first dark money group with Leonard Leo, Liberty Central, in late 2009 -- weeks or months *before* the Citizens United ruling. Leo registered it in VA *one week* before CU.







related:


2011 Politico, Justice Thomas’s wife now lobbyist
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/02/justice-thomass-wife-now-lobbyist-048812
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It's not just the lavish personal travel, Crow paid organizations which in turn paid Ginni (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2023 OP
Fascist dark money owns the Supreme Court. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #1
Betcha they used a similar scheme to fund the insurrection dalton99a Apr 2023 #2
Steve Bannon is a major player in bitcoin and markodochartaigh Apr 2023 #26
What a complete random coincidence. Every factor was in place with perfect timing. ffr Apr 2023 #3
Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #4
Well Finally - A Republican George Soros..... global1 Apr 2023 #5
Agreed. pandr32 Apr 2023 #11
Damn you Soros Traildogbob Apr 2023 #13
Yes--he gets too much credit and not enough spoils. pandr32 Apr 2023 #17
Mock him and shame him. COL Mustard Apr 2023 #18
I mean, they've had like 50 of those...minus one Koch spawn. nt Carlitos Brigante Apr 2023 #22
The differences, of course, markodochartaigh Apr 2023 #24
The dirty little truth about the Harlan Crows is that they might not directly influence a allegorical oracle Apr 2023 #6
I've seriously wondered if Ginni holds most of the power tanyev Apr 2023 #7
Paging Merrick Garland - might want to look into this... Marius25 Apr 2023 #8
Who receives money from Harlan Crow? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #9
This crap is what caused the phrase "Perfectly legal." dchill Apr 2023 #10
Thomas hid that Harlan Crow was a donor to his wife LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #12
Oh yes, circumvention. republianmushroom Apr 2023 #14
Clarence has the same kind of impeachment protection EndlessWire Apr 2023 #15
It's simply buying a vote of a SCOTUS justice. No more no less in my opinion. usaf-vet Apr 2023 #16
Clarence says he talked with "someone" decades ago who said it was okay. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2023 #19
Ginni Thomas' LC group only lasted two years. She ducked responsibility, lied, and turned her ancianita Apr 2023 #20
"Such tax exempt groups were supposed to markodochartaigh Apr 2023 #21
The DOJ could go after Crow, but won't. Sneederbunk Apr 2023 #23
Actually The 501-c4 Statute Reads DallasNE Apr 2023 #25
wow, interesting LymphocyteLover Apr 2023 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author DallasNE Apr 2023 #27
that sounds seriously criminally corrupt. Damn if only the House was in Dem hands LymphocyteLover Apr 2023 #28
And the Thomas family money is fungible. halfulglas Apr 2023 #30

Irish_Dem

(81,266 posts)
1. Fascist dark money owns the Supreme Court.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:37 AM
Apr 2023

And half of the US congress.

Time to face reality.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
26. Steve Bannon is a major player in bitcoin and
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:46 PM
Apr 2023

there was a huge runup in bitcoin leading up to January 6. Coincidence? I have no idea.

ffr

(23,398 posts)
3. What a complete random coincidence. Every factor was in place with perfect timing.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 11:44 AM
Apr 2023

And Gini Thomas was the beneficiary of influence her husband would promote. Hmmm. Any normal person would conclude that it was not coincidence, but Gini would disagree.

pandr32

(14,272 posts)
11. Agreed.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 12:58 PM
Apr 2023

His name should be brought up every time Soros' is along with the explanation that one is really doing damage to our institutions while the other serves as a one-size-fits-all bogeyman.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
24. The differences, of course,
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:44 PM
Apr 2023

are that George Soros is above board and transparent in his donations, and that he donates to causes which actually reinforce democracy.

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
6. The dirty little truth about the Harlan Crows is that they might not directly influence a
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 12:08 PM
Apr 2023

Clarence Thomas, but that Crow's ilk are matchmakers -- ensuring that important people, who are dedicated to changing the courts and society, will meet other more overt influencers, like Leo Leonard. It's danger flying below the radar.

tanyev

(49,295 posts)
7. I've seriously wondered if Ginni holds most of the power
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 12:08 PM
Apr 2023

and it's not that she became influential because she's married to Clarence, but that he got his SC gig because he's married to her.

EndlessWire

(8,103 posts)
15. Clarence has the same kind of impeachment protection
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:07 PM
Apr 2023

that a President has, when we don't have the numbers in the House OR Senate to fire him. Of course, his appointment is for LIFE. Even a President has to eventually give it up, but not Clarence.

Every ruling he makes will be scrutinized for influence and bias, but it won't make a difference. We can impeach him only if we take both the House and the Senate in 2024. So, we now have yet another criminal in a position of power.

But, Ginni isn't so protected. Look for her to be investigated. Roberts may choose to pressure Clarence to quit.

19. Clarence says he talked with "someone" decades ago who said it was okay.
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:30 PM
Apr 2023

Clarence is a guy who allegedly relies on multiple sources to make a decision -- except when it affects his personal interests. Then he finds someone who likes him enough to say, "It's okay, Clarence. Go do what you want to do."

What is missing is a statement from Thomas that he's going to stop going on half-million dollar trips with his "good friend," who happens to be a GQP mega-donor.

He has no shame.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
20. Ginni Thomas' LC group only lasted two years. She ducked responsibility, lied, and turned her
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:30 PM
Apr 2023

agenda over to the Conservation Action Project.

from Wikipedia

Thomas has been criticized for her involvement in Liberty Central because someone who contributes to the group may have a case before the Supreme Court.[6] However, there is no law limiting what Thomas can do, and according to some legal experts Supreme Court Justices are not required to recuse themselves from cases where they may have a conflict of interest.[6]

On October 21, 2010, Thomas was specifically criticized for taking a position, via Liberty Central, on an issue that was likely to come before the Supreme Court - whether the 2010 health care legislation was unconstitutional.[9] A memo signed by Thomas that called for the repeal of the law and that was posted on the Liberty Central website was removed following the criticism.

A Liberty Central spokesperson explained that Thomas had not personally reviewed the memo and that it been mistakenly approved by a staff member, and had been circulated by another group, the Conservative Action Project.


Here's the Conservative Action Project.

Here is the CAP letter to the 118th Congress, telling the House Freedom Caucus what to do about the debt, along with other "Memos."

...Fixed Dollar Amount. Some have suggested that the debt ceiling should be suspended—i.e., that there should be no debt ceiling for a certain period of time. This is also outrageous. Just as a bank would never eliminate a credit card limit for a customer who repeatedly reaches his or her credit limit, so too must Congress not be so irresponsible with the nation’s finances. Any negotiated increase in the debt ceiling must be a fixed dollar amount.

Now and the Future. Any negotiated increase in the debt ceiling must be accompanied by substantial reductions in federal spending now—in the current fiscal year—AND in each of the subsequent nine fiscal years, at a minimum. The spending reductions must be real (as opposed to accounting gimmicks) and very difficult to stop, once enacted into law.

Discretionary and Direct Spending. Any negotiated spending reductions to accompany a debt ceiling increase must come from both discretionary and direct (a.k.a. “mandatory”) spending accounts.

Defense. While any negotiated discretionary spending reductions should come from as many parts of the federal budget as possible, any cuts to outdated, harmfully bureaucratic, or “woke” spending in the Defense Department should, to the greatest extent possible, be transferred into national security accounts aimed at meeting the realities of the moment, such as repelling the growing threat of China.

Social Welfare Payments. While any negotiated direct spending reductions should come from as many so-called “entitlement” programs as possible—from Medicaid for non-poor people, to welfare without work, to long-term housing—we encourage you to avoid any reductions to American citizens’ Social Security benefits and Medicare benefits in this particular negotiation.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
21. "Such tax exempt groups were supposed to
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:39 PM
Apr 2023

make sure that less than half of their activities are political."

So more than half their activities were traveling to resorts?

/$

DallasNE

(8,008 posts)
25. Actually The 501-c4 Statute Reads
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:45 PM
Apr 2023

The organization "must operate exclusively for the benefit of social welfare".A lawyer in the Eisenhower administration issued issued a clarification on "exclusive" to mean the "majority". And today that stands as over 50%. But nobody ever examines the books so today it all goes to administration and politics. Exclusive now means none. The funny part is there is a law that allows unlimited contributions to political causes that never gets used because the donors of gifts exceeding something like $5,000 must be disclosed. Disclosure has a chilling effect on "gifts".

Response to bigtree (Original post)

LymphocyteLover

(9,847 posts)
28. that sounds seriously criminally corrupt. Damn if only the House was in Dem hands
Sat Apr 8, 2023, 01:59 PM
Apr 2023

maybe we could actually impeach Thomas

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
30. And the Thomas family money is fungible.
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 07:52 PM
Apr 2023

The whole thing smells. I hope they never get the stink off.

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