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Javaman

(65,975 posts)
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:59 AM Apr 2023

Seas have drastically risen along southern U.S. coast in past decade

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/04/10/sea-level-rise-southern-us/

Multiple new studies highlight a rate of sea level rise that is ‘unprecedented in at least 120 years’ along the Gulf of Mexico and southeastern U.S. coast

Scientists have documented an abnormal and dramatic surge in sea levels along the U.S. gulf and southeastern coastlines since about 2010, raising new questions about whether New Orleans, Miami, Houston and other coastal communities might be even more at risk from rising seas than once predicted.

The acceleration, while relatively short-lived so far, could have far-reaching consequences in an area of the United States that has seen massive development as the wetlands, mangroves and shorelines that once protected it are shrinking. An already vulnerable landscape that is home to millions of people is growing more vulnerable, more quickly, potentially putting a large swath of America at greater risk from severe storms and flooding.

The increase has already had major effects, researchers found. One study suggests that recent devastating hurricanes, including Michael in 2018 and Ian last year, were made considerably worse by a faster-rising ocean. Federal tide gauge data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that the sea level, as measured by tide gauge at Lake Pontchartrain in New Orleans, is eight inches higher than it was in 2006, just after Hurricane Katrina.

“The entire Southeast coast and the Gulf Coast is feeling the impact of the sea level rise acceleration,” said Jianjun Yin, a climate scientist at the University of Arizona and the author of one of two academic studies published in recent weeks that describe the changes.

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Seas have drastically risen along southern U.S. coast in past decade (Original Post) Javaman Apr 2023 OP
With warmer Gulf water temps and Hurricane season just around the corner... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #2
This is from North Carolina's Outer Banks PJMcK Apr 2023 #3
Somebody please explain how the sea levels are rising more in doc03 Apr 2023 #4
read the article they go into that. Javaman Apr 2023 #6
East Coast and the Gulf are getting more IbogaProject Apr 2023 #7
That is the geostrophic balance markodochartaigh Apr 2023 #13
Years of beach erosion is pushing coastlines closer to civilization. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2023 #9
The ocean conveyer is slowing in the north Atlantic, where the Gulf Stream cools and drops hatrack Apr 2023 #17
Development and destroying wetlands are part of it IronLionZion Apr 2023 #26
Winds, local thermal expansion, gravitational forces from landmass and ice. Blues Heron Apr 2023 #40
Simple explanation: the earth isn't perfectly balanced Sympthsical Apr 2023 #45
In the Miami area the ground is sinking Rstrstx Apr 2023 #49
But, but...her emails!!! roamer65 Apr 2023 #5
.... tanyev Apr 2023 #8
OMG. roamer65 Apr 2023 #29
Come on now Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2023 #10
So did "Old Man Soft Rock"... Moostache Apr 2023 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Apr 2023 #39
So essentially the Gulf Coast sucks LiberalArkie Apr 2023 #11
i love this comment on the article: barbtries Apr 2023 #12
It's probably too late Kaleva Apr 2023 #14
True, Delphinus Apr 2023 #15
It would certainly help with other issues Kaleva Apr 2023 #16
but that is the answer. barbtries Apr 2023 #18
It wouldn't hurt... Moostache Apr 2023 #33
no need to apologize barbtries Apr 2023 #42
It is always too late markodochartaigh Apr 2023 #19
It's not too late to prepare to adapt to what's coming. Kaleva Apr 2023 #28
Amen to that Barb....... DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #38
I'm not sure we'll see major disaster in our lifetimes Marius25 Apr 2023 #20
Sea level rise eight inches in 17 years as per the article. patphil Apr 2023 #21
Every time they take another look, PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2023 #24
Watch the thwaites and pine glacier ice shelf Javaman Apr 2023 #50
A few inches of sea level rise makes a HUGE difference in storm surges NickB79 Apr 2023 #54
Not very reassuring madville Apr 2023 #22
I would start buying up currently worthless inland acres... Moostache Apr 2023 #36
There are no worthless inland acres madville Apr 2023 #37
I am always amazed how people on this site always know their stuff Racygrandma Apr 2023 #23
I hear you there! Delphinus Apr 2023 #46
oh haven't llashram Apr 2023 #25
As Musk promises Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2023 #30
Global warming is fake like birds, Obama's birth certificate, COVID, and TFG's criminal charges IronLionZion Apr 2023 #27
This comment should, in no way, be taken as an excuse for not immediately cutting our carbon output. LudwigPastorius Apr 2023 #32
+1 n/t progressoid Apr 2023 #43
+1,000 Delphinus Apr 2023 #47
Right now, according climate scientists Javaman Apr 2023 #51
God will save them! NowISeetheLight Apr 2023 #34
Florida NowISeetheLight Apr 2023 #35
LOL DENVERPOPS Apr 2023 #41
Land subsidence has been quoted as a factor in apparent sea level rise nitpicked Apr 2023 #44
I think Delphinus Apr 2023 #48
It is God's will. dalton99a Apr 2023 #52
I think that's written into Exxon's subsides agreement lol nt Javaman Apr 2023 #53

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,978 posts)
1. With warmer Gulf water temps and Hurricane season just around the corner...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:15 AM
Apr 2023

Florida, the Gulf states and up the East coast are in for a hell of a time in the coming years. Being so close to the ocean will prove even more costly.

Glad I live in Minnesota. The snow is melting and we are mindful here of environmental impacts on climate. That is not to say we here do not have our share of bad weather. We all do our part in any way we can, it matters in the long run.

Response to Javaman (Original post)

PJMcK

(25,116 posts)
3. This is from North Carolina's Outer Banks
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:29 AM
Apr 2023

This house was originally built about 100 yards (I think) from the water.

doc03

(39,158 posts)
4. Somebody please explain how the sea levels are rising more in
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:37 AM
Apr 2023

one location than in others. Water seeks its own level. If you fill a pool with water it can be 4 feet on one end and 8 feet
deep on the other but the surface is level. The elevation of the land could be sinking I guess. Tides changing?

Javaman

(65,975 posts)
6. read the article they go into that.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:48 AM
Apr 2023

but if it's TLTR for you, basically they are still trying to figure that out.

IbogaProject

(6,058 posts)
7. East Coast and the Gulf are getting more
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:50 AM
Apr 2023

I've read that due to pressures from the earth spinning 'sea level' is higher and lower depending on which side of a continent is being measured. It's like there is a slight push from the earth's spin. So it sounds like the Gulf is really catching water.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
13. That is the geostrophic balance
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:29 AM
Apr 2023

which is also a factor in wind currents. It is part of the reason why high pressure systems spin clockwise in the northern hemisphere and low pressure systems spin counter-clockwise, and vice-versa in the southern hemisphere.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,978 posts)
9. Years of beach erosion is pushing coastlines closer to civilization.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:09 AM
Apr 2023

The impacted weight of building is causing dips in foundations, thus giving the illusion in places of rising sea levels. Miami is slowly sinking. That is a fact.

hatrack

(65,119 posts)
17. The ocean conveyer is slowing in the north Atlantic, where the Gulf Stream cools and drops
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:38 AM
Apr 2023

As it slows, the amount of water that can drop from the surface into the deep ocean decreases, which causes the water to (in effect) pile up along the eastern seaboard.

IronLionZion

(51,532 posts)
26. Development and destroying wetlands are part of it
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:39 AM
Apr 2023

flooding and sinking land is a factor in some areas. Many coastal areas are low lying to begin with and have more people moving there recently.

Still, this much seems clear: The rapid sea level rise appears to start in the Gulf of Mexico, which has been warming far faster than the global ocean. Warm water naturally expands, causing sea levels to rise. That warm water also gets carried by currents out of the gulf and along the East Coast, affecting places such as Georgia and the Carolinas.

The waters that have helped drive up sea levels in Gulf of Mexico are very warm even at deep levels

The warm Loop Current is “bringing water in, not just at the surface but with depth,” Steinberg said. The current often extends hundreds of yards beneath the sea surface, Steinberg added, and will spin off warm water blobs, which scientists call “eddies,” which move across the gulf.

Blues Heron

(9,009 posts)
40. Winds, local thermal expansion, gravitational forces from landmass and ice.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:56 PM
Apr 2023

Greenland‘s ice cap mass literally attracts the ocean around it, raising the local sea level by some amount.

Trade winds in the tropical pacific literally pile water up down wind causing sea levels in the western pacific to be higher. This is a key driver of El Niño /enso

Sympthsical

(11,102 posts)
45. Simple explanation: the earth isn't perfectly balanced
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 03:28 PM
Apr 2023

Rotation, location of land masses, distribution of mass creating gravity variations, atmospheric wind patterns, oceanic depth, tidal patterns, etc. etc. etc

There's a lot going on.

Rstrstx

(1,650 posts)
49. In the Miami area the ground is sinking
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 04:42 PM
Apr 2023

Apparently if you build enough 700 foot tall condo towers on relatively soft limestone it does not tend to rise.

Moostache

(11,282 posts)
31. So did "Old Man Soft Rock"...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:04 PM
Apr 2023

He was shooting up Bud Light Cans (and missing a whole lot from point blank range) with his AR-15 because his fee-fee's got icky when a LGBTQ person was given validation...he also mentioned a proclivity for allowing his Hummer to idly waste gas to "protest the climate hoax" as well. There is no bottom, only further depths to sink further.

Response to Moostache (Reply #31)

barbtries

(31,346 posts)
12. i love this comment on the article:
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:28 AM
Apr 2023
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/04/10/sea-level-rise-southern-us/?commentID=82888c00-7b20-4cda-b8e0-2c282efe7258

The single most impactful thing individual Americans can do to mitigate climate change is to vote Republicans into permanent irrelevance, from the school board to the White House.

barbtries

(31,346 posts)
18. but that is the answer.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:39 AM
Apr 2023

the republican party needs to go the way of the whigs and tories.

Moostache

(11,282 posts)
33. It wouldn't hurt...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:10 PM
Apr 2023

But I'm sorry, the true root cause of the problems needs to be a 100% turning away from organized religion as a socially accepted thing to throw into secular debates and issues.

Unless and until society seriously reaches the point that someone stating their "sincerely held beliefs" is treated as anything other than a diagnosis of mental illness (and NOT justification), the whole of society will continue to suffer the dammage from these people. It is endemic to their entire being that EVERYONE must adhere to their interpretation of 1st century goat herder oral histories.

I have nothing to say about a person's choices IN THEIR OWN LIVES....but start fucking around with the lives and choices of my daughters and impacts to my family because of YOU mental deficiencies? Nope. Time to find out...

barbtries

(31,346 posts)
42. no need to apologize
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 02:13 PM
Apr 2023

that's important and would come organically with the end of the republican party.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
19. It is always too late
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:42 AM
Apr 2023

to make things as good as they could have been, but it is never too late to try to make things better.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
38. Amen to that Barb.......
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:46 PM
Apr 2023

For the last maybe six decades, I have felt that having a BENEVOLENT DICTATOR for our president would be awesome.

Some one who's purpose is to do only good for people and our planet, just the polar opposite of the CABAL Republican Politicians Like HWBush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, WBush, the USSC Republican Justices, The entire Republican Senate, Republican House, Republican Governors, all the Republican owned legislatures in the states, etc etc etc.

And outlaw Corporations and their officers/executives that have as their obsession, share holder profits at any cost.....

For the early part of my life, the corporations were all in a RACE TO THE TOP, to make the best products they could, now they are all in a race TO THE BOTTOM, to make the most profits that they can. The only thing they believe in anymore is the BOTTOM LINE.

We are a mere millimeter away from becoming a Corporate Fascist Tyranny, or the United Corporations of America to replace the United States of America...........

The most profound statement ever, was by some French guy who back in the 1700's when we were beginning our Democracy. He stated:
"A Democracy will work until some group of people, or a political party figures out that they can vote themselves money."

And here we are folks.............

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
20. I'm not sure we'll see major disaster in our lifetimes
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:42 AM
Apr 2023

I think the prediction is still around 2100 for the coasts of Florida to be underwater.

But we'll definitely see drastic changes along with more high tide type flooding and more storms.

patphil

(9,203 posts)
21. Sea level rise eight inches in 17 years as per the article.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:54 AM
Apr 2023

That projects out to over 1 foot more by 2050. Pretty darn fast.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
24. Every time they take another look,
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:14 AM
Apr 2023

things are changing faster. Antarctic and Greenland ice melt are speeding up/

Javaman

(65,975 posts)
50. Watch the thwaites and pine glacier ice shelf
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:03 PM
Apr 2023

Once that goes, we are fucked.

It’s called the doomsday shelf.

It’s estimated to go within 5 years

The bleaching of the coral reefs globally are to happen with in ten years

So yes, we will have those disasters you think we won’t have

NickB79

(20,398 posts)
54. A few inches of sea level rise makes a HUGE difference in storm surges
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:09 PM
Apr 2023

When a hurricane hits.

madville

(7,858 posts)
22. Not very reassuring
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:12 AM
Apr 2023

From the article:

“Overall, the pace of sea level rise is accelerating globally, and scientists have been unequivocal that seas will continue to rise well into the future, even if humans manage to drastically cut greenhouse gas emissions.”


My elderly parents still live on the gulf coast, like literally 50 feet from it with a seawall and rocks in front of their house. Hopefully they’ll sell within a few years while it’s still valuable.

Moostache

(11,282 posts)
36. I would start buying up currently worthless inland acres...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:15 PM
Apr 2023

Its a plot right out of 1978's "Superman : The Movie" with Christopher Reeves and Gene Hackman...absent a nuclear bombing of the San Andreas fault to create new coastal property.

madville

(7,858 posts)
37. There are no worthless inland acres
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:46 PM
Apr 2023

Not really any worthless land left anywhere here in Florida. Years ago I bought my 6 acres that are 10 miles from the gulf coast for $10k an acre. The three acres across the road from me sold recently for $120k and 1/2 of it isn’t even buildable because it’s low and wet near a pond.

Racygrandma

(208 posts)
23. I am always amazed how people on this site always know their stuff
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:13 AM
Apr 2023

Every time I come here I learn something. Also my daughter in Florida says it is common knowledge the beach at Daytona beach has been decimated.

Delphinus

(12,550 posts)
46. I hear you there!
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 03:41 PM
Apr 2023

And a belated welcome to DU!

I posted in the LBN thread about The Great Displacement by Jake Bittle. I started it last night because I couldn't sleep and his first chapter is on Florida. He wrote about Hurricane Irma and Big Pine and the devastation. Just last year the hurricane that was captured showing 14-feet of flooding and how one of the touristy islands (can't recall name) is still uninhabitable.

Climate migration is happening now (around the world as well as here) and we need to do our level best and come up with some plans.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
25. oh haven't
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:18 AM
Apr 2023

you heard it won't affect the rich and powerful they are going to Mars. After terraforming completes New Earth of course.

IronLionZion

(51,532 posts)
27. Global warming is fake like birds, Obama's birth certificate, COVID, and TFG's criminal charges
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:43 AM
Apr 2023

I'm assuming the people moving to low lying coastal areas must be not believing in rising sea levels. It's happening before their very eyes in many areas. So either the land is cheap there or they are owning the libs somehow.

LudwigPastorius

(14,978 posts)
32. This comment should, in no way, be taken as an excuse for not immediately cutting our carbon output.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:06 PM
Apr 2023

...but, we are already fucked.


We are going to blow past the 1.5 Centigrade Paris Accord goal, triggering multiple tipping points.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
34. God will save them!
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:12 PM
Apr 2023

That's the heartland of the American Religious Right. God will save them. I mean Pat Robertson said hurricanes hitting Orlando were Gods revenge for the gays... so God would NEVER damage the home of the "enlightened Southern base". They sure don't need any government assistance either if something does actually happen. That would be Socialism... the root of all evil for capitalist RepubQcans!

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
41. LOL
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 12:58 PM
Apr 2023

the majority of Florida's segment of the population's mindless people are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican Party and Desantis.......Just like with the most recent hurricane, with an entire city up to their noses in water, and them still voting Republican because of some lies about the emails of Hillary........

DeSatan's long game, is to make Florida A Fascist State as a model, and then become president and do a roll out of Florida's Government across the entire nation...

Here in Colorado, we are currently having an un-precedented population explosion, and seeing TEXAS Plates or FLORIDA Plates on seemingly every other car on the highways and streets......

nitpicked

(1,960 posts)
44. Land subsidence has been quoted as a factor in apparent sea level rise
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 03:03 PM
Apr 2023
https://pubs.usgs.gov/circ/1392/pdf/circ1392.pdf

Besides the overall effects of groundwater pumping, the southern Chesapeake Bay is also feeling the effects of a bolide strike some 35M years ago.

Delphinus

(12,550 posts)
48. I think
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 03:44 PM
Apr 2023

I read about that is Rising by Elizabeth Rush.

I think the coasts are going to be a place we're not going to be able to live well or easily.

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