White cisgendered male mass shooter in KY just murdered a bunch of people.

[kpete]

Will all the right wingers come out against all white males the way they came after trans people two weeks ago?

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[dchill]

1. That's not misdirection - not their style. Not their jam.

[niyad]

2. suuuuuuure they will!

[Irish_Dem]

3. Mass shooters are mostly straight white males.

But no mention is ever made about that.

If any other group was guilty of these mass shooting crimes they
would be rounded up and put into camps.

Instead the GOP goes after women, schoolchildren, LGBT groups instead.

White males as per usual get a pass.

[wryter2000]

4. It's economic insecurity, dontcha know?

And because the bitches won't give them sex.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

5. Violent crimes are almost all committed by men.

Beyond that, the large majority of people in the US are straight, and a majority are white. It's not clear (to me, anyway) that the population of mass shooters is much different than the background population in those respects.

[Irish_Dem]

8. If women were committing these crimes they would be placed in camps.

[plimsoll]

22. I'd agree with you in terms of propensity.

But I do think there might be an extremely weak correlation between perpetrated mass shootings and white males. You couldn't say causation at all, but especially after Kyle Rittenhouse(sic?) some probably think their chances of surviving are better.

[MayReasonRule]

64. That's right

[live love laugh]

6. That was until the definition of mass shootings changed not long ago.

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Now, every incident of 4 or more is a “mass shooting” -- so the identities of what used to be white males are enmeshed with the daily violence that’s always been a problem.

Don’t know who came up with the arbitrary number of 4 people but that definition has changed the identity of who mass shooters are.

The issue needs to be redefined to include use of automatic weapons like AR 15s. Then it would be white males predominantly.

[jimfields33]

10. The whole mass shooting number is wrong.

If a town has 13 separate incidences of shootings which does happen. Why is that not a mass shooting. That can involve even more victims.

[live love laugh]

47. It's always been defined based on the shooter first and then the number of victims.

That’s what I have seen.

Your description makes as much if not more sense.

[Beartracks]

66. I've always found that to be a frustrating perspective problem.

"13 people were killed today..." makes people go, "Wow, what tragic event happened?"

But then you find out it was 13 separate incidents of domestic violence, drug deals gone wrong, etc., and people just go, "Eh, that's normal."

But thirteen people still died in one day in your town, and that most certainly *is* a tragic event that people should look into finding a solution for.

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[BlackSkimmer]

11. Why does the issue need to be "redefined" pray tell?

If a number of people are killed with a gun, that IS a mass shooting. I don't give a good goddamn what the media calls it.

You want to change the definition so we ensure only white men get blamed? Surely that is not what you meant?

[live love laugh]

16. Because it was redefined not to feature certain types.

When the “face” changes to a black one it’s minimized, localized … “Chicago” … and it’s “their” problem not a national one.

[BlackSkimmer]

19. Thank you. My bad for misunderstanding your post.

Yes, I've noticed shootings in Chicago get short shrift in a number of places.

[Sympthsical]

18. Narrator: That was what was meant

Worrying less about, you know, what is happening and this country and more preoccupied with what kinds of stories we want to tell.

Priorities. (Also comfort. People affected by violence don't preoccupy themselves with such things).

I posted about a triple murder yesterday. Only response I got was, "Imagine if it happened in a blue state!"

Yeah. That's the important bit. Not dead kids or anything. Just, what if people online say things?

I sometimes wonder if this is what medieval religions looked like on the daily. "Yes, four people got burned at the stake, but imagine if that happened in Toulouse! Oh, the things people would put to parchment . . ."

Yep. This is our country now.

[BlackSkimmer]

20. Yes, I misunderstood the post. Thanks!

I wonder, did you post about the three kids murdered in Florida? Because I've seen nothing about that here, so I'm sorry if I missed your post.

A 12 year old involved in a murder of other children along with two teens, and I saw not a word on DU.

[Zeitghost]

34. I'm not sure I follow you

But you want to change the definition of mass shooters to only include AR-15's (which are not automatic)?

Why should it matter what type of firearm they use for statistical record keeping purposes?

The VA Tech shooter committed the biggest school massacre in history with two common handguns. Does that somehow make it better?

[live love laugh]

44. IDK the history of every shooting -- especially when it comes to weapon type.

I know there’s been a big push to at least get rid of military-grade weapons in nonmilitary settings because more people are killed. AR 15s fall in that category to my understanding but I am definitely no gun expert.

Two different issues — weapon type and statistical tracking — are conflated in haste because I’m doing other things — like right now. I pulled over to respond because I didn’t want to not do so or miss it later.

[IronLionZion]

65. They deliberately dilute it with gang violence

since gang violence is limited to certain neighborhoods but the kind we're thinking of can happen anywhere at any time.

[maxsolomon]

7. Well, I mention it on DU.

does that count? It's not Twitter, which is apparently where everything happens.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Yes it counts. :)

[treestar]

15. that's because of overall numbers of them

being higher in the first place.

Statistics show they are actually a bit lower than their proportion of the population:

https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/POP010220#POP010220

[MichMan]

24. 75% used handguns

Why is the focus always on laws regarding assault weapons then ?

[Ligyron]

29. Cause they're scary looking?

They do tend to show up a lot in mass shootings, however we wish to define that, 4 or more people during one incident seems reasonable enough.

But sure, handguns have killed far and away more people overall.

[MichMan]

31. The stats say it is 75% handguns used in mass shootings

and 25 % using all types of long guns

[SonofDonald]

50. But it's obvious that the AR-15 is the weapon of choice

For the ammosexuals to vomit their atrocities with

I’ve owned weapons but sold them all when I quit hunting after moving back down south from Alaska in 1996

And my thoughts on the AR-15 have gone from maybe buying one someday but not having that on my list or as a goal, I’ve shot one before so I know that the whole “use it for hunting” explanation is a massive load of bullshit

I have friends that own them and took them moose and caribou hunting and I was not impressed with their suitability for that, the cold and any grit/dirt they received threw off their accuracy

They are a weapon made to kill people and were designed for only that

Unfortunately they flood the market these days, we have to try and stop that now, I don’t know the answer but will gladly join any well thought out and structured groups that have a plan on how to get there

Because my thoughts have changed on the deathstick, I hate the fucking things with all of my being, at least the news about them being used on people constantly has convinced me that when and if I see one I won’t think weapon

Ill think murder

[MichMan]

52. How is it the "weapon of choice" when it is used in less than 1 out of 4 mass shootings?

[SonofDonald]

53. That's just my take on what's been in the news constantly

It’s not my fault that it’s what we hear nearly every day ad nauseum

So if I got my own opinion wrong I apologise

Do you have time to point me in the right direction of gun control groups that are worth joining?

[ShazzieB]

60. Please stop.

Just stop.

[SonofDonald]

68. Chicago: 2600 shootings, 10,000 guns recovered from the streets

I guess you don’t have any thing to offer me pertaining to the innocent question I asked

I broke my back 11 days ago and can’t get to the desktop to find out myself, all the time in the world to start trying to help but what I receive is avarice

Never thought I’d receive such “help” here, I took what 5-6 years away from this site because of attitudes like this

Dog forbid I should have thoughts that don’t agree with yours, or questions you can’t answer, I would have thought that someone with over 10,000 posts might have the answer I’m looking for, hell, if I lived in Chicago I’d already have the knowledge I’m seeking

I’ve never been so disappointed by an “answer” I’ve received here on this site, never

But then again that wasn’t an answer, it was thinly? Disguised snarling/snapping

I’d really love to tell you what I want to but I try to be polite to everyone I meet, in the real world and especially on this site, alas I’ve touched a nerve and must be attacked and looked down upon

Don’t worry I’ll make sure you don’t have to read any more of my posts here again, and you’re welcome

The Horror The Horror

[slightlv]

35. IOW,

they go after the victims, as always, instead of the perpetrators. They make excuses for the white patriarchy.

[Torchlight]

12. I'm guessing

'mentally ill' will get some serious play by the right-wing for-profit media, as it often does in regards to his demographic.

[Nevilledog]

14. They're trying to go after trans people for this shooting already

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The far right has now started a sick and twisted game of trying to tie every mass shooting to trans people. In this case, they are literally just using the fact that LinkedIn shows pronouns next to names. It's default info that you input right after your name when you sign up.
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There is absolutely no connection at this moment between the alleged shooter and trans people. The alleged shooter was an employee at the bank where this occurred. Workplace mass shootings are increasingly becoming more common.

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We're Seeing A Spike In Workplace Shootings. Here's Why
Although they're still a statistical anomaly, one explanation for the latest uptick in killings is that with the COVID-19 pandemic, perpetrators have had time to plan their attacks, one expert says.
9:54 AM · Apr 10, 2023

[forthemiddle]

32. It could be said that the "Far Left" is trying to tie it to white conservative

Face it we all have our confirmation bias. We don’t want the bad guys to be one of our own.
The only proof needed is to see how excited DU gets when it’s a white Cis male.
Why can’t we just acknowledge that mass shooters come in all shades, and political agendas, and the vast majority of time there is no political agenda found.
The statistics (from the Federal Government, among other places) find that white men commit mass murders on pace with the overall population.
What is statistically evident is that it is young men.
I know we would love for all mass shooters to be MAGA men ( and who knows if this one is or not), but in reality, our own biases just want that to be true.

[Nevilledog]

42. Pleaser point me to the posts with DUers "excited" over a shooting by a white cis male

Pointing out that the RW trying to blame mass shootings on trans individuals is not being excited, it's pointing out the lies of the Right.

To your last point...DUers would love for there to be NO mass shootings.

[RobinA]

48. Well,

this very thread, for starters.

[Nevilledog]

51. I think that's ignoring context.

Since the Nashville shooting there had been a lot of RW bullshit using it to attack the transgender population. I think it's more nuanced.

[BlackSkimmer]

54. Yes, and I asked who was trying to "make this a trans thing" other than this tweeter.

But, I got no answer.

[yardwork]

45. Nonsense. DUers consistently blame the semi-assault weapons.

This OP and others like it (I started a thread myself) are pointing out the absurdity of blaming ANY identity or group for what is clearly a public health epidemic caused by the ready availability of assault weapons.

[BlackSkimmer]

41. Other than this one tweeter, who else is saying that?

I've heard no one try and make it a trans thing.

[Warpy]

17. Oh, hell no, white males are all protecting them wimmen and churren

against those freaks out there who don't have white skin or who love the wrong people or didn't like the way god made 'em (although it would seem god made 'em trans, too) or the mean old gummint. White males are the pertecters of the sweet flower of white womanhood. Never mind they make up 99.9% of mass shooters.

Fortunately, more people are starting to blame the guns more than the people who are allowed to have them.

[BlackSkimmer]

21. They do not make up 99% of all gun violence though.

You know that, right?

[MichMan]

26. Where is the proof that they make up 99.9% ?

White males make up 55 % of all mass shooters, not 99%

Compared to the percentage of the population, they are actually underrepresented. See Post #15

[BlackSkimmer]

27. People like to make things up here, or as it's popularly called "retweeting".

People believe anything and everything they read on the twit machine.

[EX500rider]

30. "Never mind they make up 99.9% of mass shooters." Feel free to cite some facts to back that up

[central scrutinizer]

23. Another mentally unstable lone wolf

Blame video games or Hollywood or George Soros

[yardwork]

43. Or lack of prayer in schools or...

[barbtries]

28. no, no, no

this guy's mentally ill.

[Rural_Progressive]

33. Ahhhh, that would be negatory good buddy

[WestMichRad]

36. Yet another mass murder brought to us by...

… the Republican Party. Without any remorse on their part.

[moniss]

37. They're on to their new

outrage over Budweiser and sports bras. Who knew that society was so shaky that it could collapse over a picture on a beer can or an article of clothing? Maybe they need to wrap that MAGA hat with tin foil and wear cloves of garlic around their necks as they sit in their survivalist concrete dungeon in the ground eating canned beans and MRE rations.

[MichMan]

57. Happens here regularly

[BlackSkimmer]

61. You have apparently missed quite a number of threads here in response to mass shootings.

I actually thought maybe you forgot the sarcasm tag.

[Kaleva]

62. I think that happens here

[NBachers]

39. Let's check in with the leaders of the White Community for their take on this.

[TheProle]

40. Divide! Divide! Divide!

Fanning the flames of tribalism is the surest way to maintain the status quo.

[lindysalsagal]

46. I clearly remember when we worried about foreign islamic terrorists. Created a whole new branch

of government: Homeland security, to fend them off.

What a joke.

[ismnotwasm]

49. K&R

[BlackSkimmer]

55. Hey! Here is "...a bunch of people." These were the "bunch of people":

Tommy Elliott, 63, senior vice president at the bank.

Jim Tutt, 64, market executive.

Josh Barrick, 40, senior vice president, commercial real estate banking.

Juliana Farmer, 45, commercial banking agent.

People were killed today, and once again I see people here trying to make it about ANYTHING but the victims.

[The_Casual_Observer]

56. Andy Ngo was very quick to write this one off as a suicide.

Implication being that it was motivated only by mental illness.

When it is anything other than CIS White it's a whole different thing, terrorism, hate you name it.

[LostOne4Ever]

58. Nope. Doesn't help their aims of a trans Genocide (nt)

[Skittles]

59. that's repuke logic

one woman represents all women, one LGBTQ represents them all, but one rogue white male represents only himself

[IronLionZion]

63. America is unwilling to profile white males or assault rifles

but will always profile brown, black, or LGBT folks...because of "safety".

I like to point out that guns are black

Gunners love to put up the straw man that guns don't do it on their own. But they will never acknowledge a problem of white males with guns murdering Americans every day. Sure, there's no political agenda. But Americans are being terrorized on a daily basis in our schools, workplaces, and other places. We are the only country where this regularly happens. The closest comparisons might be Israel, Iraq, or other countries that we acknowledge have terrorism.

[Bonx]

69. So the shooters ACTUAL motive was to support gun control legislation by example

The LMPD report documented the shooter's motive as:[38]

Connor Sturgeon writes his "goals" to "tell my story" and "impact change - gun access." Connor Sturgeon then proceeds to list his "story" involving having good family and friends and doing everything right in his professional and social life. Connor goes on to say he was able to buy a gun and highlighting again "politicians with no interest in making things better" and "stop letting anyone buy guns or this will keep happening."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Louisville_bank_shooting