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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,870 posts)
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 04:02 PM Apr 2023

Supreme Court ruling takes on new relevance with Tennessee expulsions

The Tennessee expulsions were illegal.



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/black-tennessee-lawmakers-expulsions-supreme-court-rcna78712?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma&taid=6431c0beb2f24c000136b565&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Are the racist expulsions of Democratic lawmakers Justin Jones and Justin Pearson from the Tennessee House of Representatives legal? According to a Supreme Court case from 1966, they might not be.

That case, Bond v. Floyd, bears some similarity to the crushing of dissent we’ve seen unfold in Tennessee. After Jones and Pearson joined a gun control protest following the school shooting in Nashville, they were expelled from their elected roles by Republicans, who chose to subvert the voters’ will instead of trying to protect those voters from even more gun violence.

In that Supreme Court case from 1966, the Georgia House of Representatives had refused to seat Julian Bond, a newly elected member — and like Pearson and Jones, a Black man — after statements he made that were critical of the Vietnam War. Siding with Bond, the Supreme Court ruled that a state can’t apply a stricter speech standard to legislators than its residents. For more on the Bond case, see this thread from Joyce Vance, a columnist and legal analyst for MSNBC:


Certainly, Jones and Pearson would want to cite Bond in any court challenge that ensues. No doubt, the principle underlying the ruling should keep them in their elected seats. On the other hand, a court might seek to distinguish Bond from the situation in Tennessee, on the grounds that the 1966 case involved failing to seat a member rather than expulsion. An appeals court has already made that distinction, reasoning in 1997 that the Bond case “did not even address the power of legislatures to discipline members, but rather involved a question of whether the Georgia legislature could refuse to seat members-elect in the first place.”
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Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
4. A not white person lawmaker walking into any southern state legislature must be a strange feeling...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 04:13 PM
Apr 2023

A mixture of humility and another thing that still doesn’t mix well…fear, I would imagine?

erronis

(23,882 posts)
8. Any chance that the white RW male (and handmaiden) court could oust Thomas?
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:03 PM
Apr 2023

Just putting this out there.

Since we've seen justice run amok, I'm guessing some of the paler black-robed brethren might think it's time to "retire" Old Clarence: "He was a good work-horse for many years, but not he's just not worth keepin'."

I'm sure Leo/Leo has a stable of other stallions to pull out - perhaps even another filly of the right persuasion.

Question is - how to finagle this while Biden is president?

Maybe there's a absolutely true liberal democratic judicial candidate that could be considered. Maybe nobody knows that he/she has been already bought-and-paid-for by these scabs-on-society.

We need far better vetting of SCOTUS nominees. Far better. Not hasty FBI checks on beer cans. We need 10 years of truthful tax filings, holdings, etc.

nuxvomica

(14,092 posts)
9. Despite the case differences, the principle should still hold
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:32 PM
Apr 2023

That a state cannot have a stricter speech standard for legislators than residents. It's quite an obvious and straightforward principle. What I found interesting about the legislature's vote was that it reeks of desperation. Only people already losing the argument want to stifle debate.

onenote

(46,143 posts)
12. The distinction that the state would stress is that their decision was not content-based
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:48 PM
Apr 2023

The resolution expelling the two Tennessee legislators focused on their behavior, not the content of their speech. In first amendment jurisprudence, that's a significant distinction.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
10. Different Supreme Court. This one asserts State politics are none of their business.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:45 PM
Apr 2023

(unless, of course, they want to make changes and then suddenly State laws & precedent mean nothing)

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
11. RWs rationalized that George Santos should be kept in office because he was legitimately elected.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:47 PM
Apr 2023

RWs rationalized that George Santos should be kept in office because he was legitimately elected.

Despite his fraud, lies, and more.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,870 posts)
14. Tennessee expulsions prompt Senate Democrats to call for DOJ inquiry
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 01:06 PM
Apr 2023

The expulsion of these two legislators was illegal and a violation of their civil rights



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/12/tennessee-expulsions-prompt-senate-democrats-call-doj-inquiry/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Senate Democrats are urging the Department of Justice to conduct an investigation into the expulsions of two Tennessee state representatives to determine whether their removal violated the Constitution or federal civil rights law.

In a letter to be delivered on Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D-Ga.) call on Attorney General Merrick Garland to “use all available legal authorities” to conclude whether federal statutes were violated and “take all steps necessary to uphold the democratic integrity of our nation’s legislative bodies.”

The letter, obtained by The Washington Post, is the first formal effort by U.S. Senate lawmakers in response to the removals. The Republican-dominated Tennessee House expelled Reps. Justin Jones and Justin Pearson, both Democrats, on Thursday after they led protesters in chants for gun control from the floor of the chamber.

The senators argue that the removals may have violated Jones’s and Pearson’s First Amendment rights to free speech and assembly, the rights of citizens of Memphis and Nashville to be represented by the legislators of their choice and rights the pair have under the 14th Amendment or civil rights statutes prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race.
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