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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSupreme Court ruling takes on new relevance with Tennessee expulsions
The Tennessee expulsions were illegal.
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That case, Bond v. Floyd, bears some similarity to the crushing of dissent weve seen unfold in Tennessee. After Jones and Pearson joined a gun control protest following the school shooting in Nashville, they were expelled from their elected roles by Republicans, who chose to subvert the voters will instead of trying to protect those voters from even more gun violence.
In that Supreme Court case from 1966, the Georgia House of Representatives had refused to seat Julian Bond, a newly elected member and like Pearson and Jones, a Black man after statements he made that were critical of the Vietnam War. Siding with Bond, the Supreme Court ruled that a state cant apply a stricter speech standard to legislators than its residents. For more on the Bond case, see this thread from Joyce Vance, a columnist and legal analyst for MSNBC:
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Certainly, Jones and Pearson would want to cite Bond in any court challenge that ensues. No doubt, the principle underlying the ruling should keep them in their elected seats. On the other hand, a court might seek to distinguish Bond from the situation in Tennessee, on the grounds that the 1966 case involved failing to seat a member rather than expulsion. An appeals court has already made that distinction, reasoning in 1997 that the Bond case did not even address the power of legislatures to discipline members, but rather involved a question of whether the Georgia legislature could refuse to seat members-elect in the first place.
dalton99a
(94,140 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(11,391 posts)Bayard
(29,707 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)A mixture of humility and another thing that still doesnt mix well fear, I would imagine?
Cha
(319,086 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)sheshe2
(97,637 posts)Justice for Two Justins.
erronis
(23,882 posts)Just putting this out there.
Since we've seen justice run amok, I'm guessing some of the paler black-robed brethren might think it's time to "retire" Old Clarence: "He was a good work-horse for many years, but not he's just not worth keepin'."
I'm sure Leo/Leo has a stable of other stallions to pull out - perhaps even another filly of the right persuasion.
Question is - how to finagle this while Biden is president?
Maybe there's a absolutely true liberal democratic judicial candidate that could be considered. Maybe nobody knows that he/she has been already bought-and-paid-for by these scabs-on-society.
We need far better vetting of SCOTUS nominees. Far better. Not hasty FBI checks on beer cans. We need 10 years of truthful tax filings, holdings, etc.
nuxvomica
(14,092 posts)That a state cannot have a stricter speech standard for legislators than residents. It's quite an obvious and straightforward principle. What I found interesting about the legislature's vote was that it reeks of desperation. Only people already losing the argument want to stifle debate.
onenote
(46,143 posts)The resolution expelling the two Tennessee legislators focused on their behavior, not the content of their speech. In first amendment jurisprudence, that's a significant distinction.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)(unless, of course, they want to make changes and then suddenly State laws & precedent mean nothing)
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)RWs rationalized that George Santos should be kept in office because he was legitimately elected.
Despite his fraud, lies, and more.
nakocal
(625 posts)Americans since the 1950s.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,870 posts)The expulsion of these two legislators was illegal and a violation of their civil rights
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In a letter to be delivered on Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Raphael G. Warnock (D-Ga.) call on Attorney General Merrick Garland to use all available legal authorities to conclude whether federal statutes were violated and take all steps necessary to uphold the democratic integrity of our nations legislative bodies.
The letter, obtained by The Washington Post, is the first formal effort by U.S. Senate lawmakers in response to the removals. The Republican-dominated Tennessee House expelled Reps. Justin Jones and Justin Pearson, both Democrats, on Thursday after they led protesters in chants for gun control from the floor of the chamber.
The senators argue that the removals may have violated Joness and Pearsons First Amendment rights to free speech and assembly, the rights of citizens of Memphis and Nashville to be represented by the legislators of their choice and rights the pair have under the 14th Amendment or civil rights statutes prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race.