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Stinky The Clown

(68,964 posts)
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:00 PM Apr 2023

What event defined your generation.

Maxwell Frost was just being interviewed by Nicolle Wallace. He made what was perhaps a throwaway comment. He said his generation might be called the Mass Shooting generation.

While I am old enough to be his grandfather, the question is intriguing.

I would have to say my generation was defined by the Vietnam War.

Sparkly is a bit younger than me. While she has first hand memories of the impact of that war, she sees herself defined by Watergate.

What event defines your generation?

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What event defined your generation. (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Apr 2023 OP
The Beatles. Kennedy assassination. Vietnam. Watergate. NewHendoLib Apr 2023 #1
That's A Good List ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #28
What NewHendoLib said. Exactly! Plus. Greybnk48 Apr 2023 #41
I would add Woodstock to that. Mr.Bill Apr 2023 #68
The thing about Viet Nam Mr.Bill Apr 2023 #69
Yup. I was trying to decide between these, but you saved me. nt LAS14 Apr 2023 #92
Assassinations and V war. quaint Apr 2023 #2
Same here but I think I'd add Watergate and Civil Rights. wnylib Apr 2023 #27
Oh yes, and more. quaint Apr 2023 #34
Mot likely the 1973/1979 gas crises DBoon Apr 2023 #3
Purdue vs Ohio State in basketball ... I was 15 and a Purdue Cheerleader put her hands down to ... Botany Apr 2023 #4
It started with assignations, the Vietnam War and lisa58 Apr 2023 #5
For Gen Xers, arguably a lot of them. keep_left Apr 2023 #6
Yup! Spot on! Texasgal Apr 2023 #43
"though many Gen Xers were well into young adulthood by then" Polybius Apr 2023 #53
this is irrationally optimistic GenXer47 Apr 2023 #7
It is too hard to pick just one PatSeg Apr 2023 #8
Id have to say the music and philosophy of the so-called 60's counter culture crud Apr 2023 #9
The Vietnam War coming to an end and the Fall of Saigon, Watergate, the Gas Crisis with ArnoldLayne Apr 2023 #10
Assassinations opposite NASA, a few years of sweating getting drafted, end of the war, yonder Apr 2023 #11
The Vietnam War - beginning to end lamp_shade Apr 2023 #12
Vietnam War EYESORE 9001 Apr 2023 #13
I graduated HS in 1968 calguy Apr 2023 #19
More so for you than me EYESORE 9001 Apr 2023 #20
I'm happy for for you, and everyone else who wasn't trapped into the draft calguy Apr 2023 #32
Like you, I knew that I was going to be drafted, so upon graduation from HS, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #63
My hat's off to you! calguy Apr 2023 #72
Women as well Celerity Apr 2023 #81
Oh, I couldn't agree more, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #97
Ty for your attitude of initial respect, then the new people in your unit would prove or not to be.. electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author pwb Apr 2023 #103
True, especially for you guys. So much happened. Lots of heartbreak. quaint Apr 2023 #33
Ty good article. I was 15 in 68, so yeah...Ouch! electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #109
Kennedy's assassination, the Vietnam War, & the moon landing. Plus, the Beatles. tblue37 Apr 2023 #14
What tblue37 said, plus Woodstock, and Haight/Ashbury "summer of love." Greybnk48 Apr 2023 #115
No one, it was a happening. :) But the civil rights movement and Vietnam. Hortensis Apr 2023 #15
John Lennon's assassination. maxsolomon Apr 2023 #16
My first year in college. Lunabell Apr 2023 #45
Woodstock calguy Apr 2023 #17
The surge forward in civil rights and women's rights and environmental awareness ... Hekate Apr 2023 #18
Viet Nam War...Eugene McCarthy!!! Mossfern Apr 2023 #21
Gen x here boston bean Apr 2023 #22
Aids gay texan Apr 2023 #23
Vietnam tavernier Apr 2023 #24
Well... WarGamer Apr 2023 #25
You might have not had the New Wave without Punk/CBGB's Original bands... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #110
GenX: AIDS Coventina Apr 2023 #26
True. boston bean Apr 2023 #52
Late 60's early 70's. Hard to put a finger on it. lpbk2713 Apr 2023 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Apr 2023 #55
The article posted by quant post #33 was good mentioning the difference between ... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #113
Apparently I'm the youngest to reply so far DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2023 #30
What year were you born? Polybius Apr 2023 #58
1985 DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2023 #62
That would be true for my kids, Millennials....9/11 Maeve Apr 2023 #65
Yeah, 9/11 for sure JonAndKatePlusABird Apr 2023 #74
I'm a few years older than you ITAL Apr 2023 #75
Baby boomer... VN War, Civil Rights, JFK, Woodstock keithbvadu2 Apr 2023 #31
Yeah... same here B.See Apr 2023 #73
Nuke drills in school , Star Wars, Thriller (MJ) JackSabbath Apr 2023 #35
Yeah, I remember the nuke drills also, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #64
Vietnam War Emile Apr 2023 #36
massive changes in the workforce. I was a 70s kid..by the time I started working BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 2023 #37
I started f/t work in after summer '74 though I'd had summer jobs post HS... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #116
Vietnam 😔 nt Raine Apr 2023 #38
Kent State. OilemFirchen Apr 2023 #39
2 of my cousins were on campus that day. Boomerproud Apr 2023 #46
Woah! Terrifying. electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #111
the fear in my mom's demeanor when Reagan won 1980 The Wandering Harper Apr 2023 #40
9/11 sakabatou Apr 2023 #42
So much happened in the 60s. friend of a friend Apr 2023 #44
War on Iraq, September 11th Victor_c3 Apr 2023 #47
So many events in the 60's-70's. Lunabell Apr 2023 #48
Watergate, Iran hostage crisis treestar Apr 2023 #86
Ty for speaking about your original, and changed experiences.... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author Scottie Mom Apr 2023 #49
Vietnam. nt. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2023 #50
Earth Day, Watergate, Fall of Vietnam, Oil Shocks, Jonestown, Fall of The Shah . . . hatrack Apr 2023 #51
The video game crash of 1983 Polybius Apr 2023 #54
Fall of the USSR, fall of the Berlin Wall, the advent of the Internet. Jedi Guy Apr 2023 #56
I'm an old Gen Xer, a couple years from being a Boomer. Sky Jewels Apr 2023 #57
I know a few people around your age Polybius Apr 2023 #59
Oh, you whippersnapper! Sky Jewels Apr 2023 #60
There is a similar phenomenon with the youngest members of the Boomer generation. keep_left Apr 2023 #66
I think that makes sense. Sky Jewels Apr 2023 #76
Yes, I forgot about "Generation Jones", which I understand is the group of younger Boomers... keep_left Apr 2023 #79
I'm a few months difference in age from former Prez. Obama BumRushDaShow Apr 2023 #85
I always thought that Doug Copeland coined the term with his book. Sky Jewels Apr 2023 #98
Except that book came out long after (1991) the punk movement in the UK. keep_left Apr 2023 #104
Not a single event. Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #61
That has ForgedCrank Apr 2023 #67
Bush v Gore to 9/11 to the Iraq War liberalmediaaddict Apr 2023 #70
1974-1975 and 1980-1982 recessions, fall of the USSR, 9/11 and then the Great Recession. roamer65 Apr 2023 #71
Hard to pick just one. Straw Man Apr 2023 #77
Mullets canetoad Apr 2023 #78
The most impactful events from 1996 to now, so far (I am a 1996-born Zillennial) Celerity Apr 2023 #80
9/11 vercetti2021 Apr 2023 #82
Woodstock. Roisin Ni Fiachra Apr 2023 #83
But how old does a person have to be for the thing that defines their generation? betsuni Apr 2023 #84
My bicycle, my dog, snow Tetrachloride Apr 2023 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2023 #88
The Challenger Explosion Deep State Witch Apr 2023 #89
Assassinations of JFK and MLK started it. MineralMan Apr 2023 #90
9/11 NotVeryImportant Apr 2023 #91
The answers here may give a better look... LAS14 Apr 2023 #93
Probably 9/11 and the war on terror. Elessar Zappa Apr 2023 #94
Vietnam, Kennedy assassination, Watergate, murders of Bobby & King. nt allegorical oracle Apr 2023 #95
Viet Nam n/t 11 Bravo Apr 2023 #96
The election of Reagan in 1980 and the downward spiral that began JCMach1 Apr 2023 #99
Of course as Gen X, we don't count for anything, soooo JCMach1 Apr 2023 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author honest.abe Apr 2023 #101
Since you asked for a singular event and not several... llmart Apr 2023 #102
Thanks for honoring my intent. Stinky The Clown Apr 2023 #107
I'm a Ronald Reagan hater. hunter Apr 2023 #105
Woodstock, baby! bif Apr 2023 #106
9/11 iemanja Apr 2023 #108

Greybnk48

(10,753 posts)
41. What NewHendoLib said. Exactly! Plus.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:23 PM
Apr 2023

The murder of Martin Luther King Jr. and Bobby Kennedy. And the terror of the Boston Strangler, Charles Manson, and Ted Bundy.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
69. The thing about Viet Nam
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:11 PM
Apr 2023

was many generations have won wars. We stopped one. That's how I always think of it.

DBoon

(25,148 posts)
3. Mot likely the 1973/1979 gas crises
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:03 PM
Apr 2023

Post-war prosperity was over. It was both an economic shock and an ecological shock - the era of the complete dominance of fossil fueled cars was over.

I'd second the Vietnam War, though Nixon stopped the draft before I turned 18.

Botany

(77,864 posts)
4. Purdue vs Ohio State in basketball ... I was 15 and a Purdue Cheerleader put her hands down to ...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:04 PM
Apr 2023

.... gym floor to do a flip or a cartwheel and when her feet were straight up her sweater fell down
and I got to see my first real life breasts. Kent State, the Beatles, that fucking war, JFK/MLK/RFK,
Nixon was a shit, and marijuana.

lisa58

(5,822 posts)
5. It started with assignations, the Vietnam War and
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:09 PM
Apr 2023

Continued with the pentagon papers and watergate- and that was all before graduating high school

keep_left

(3,225 posts)
6. For Gen Xers, arguably a lot of them.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:12 PM
Apr 2023

The Space Shuttle Challenger disaster, the Live Aid festival/benefit, the Berlin Wall coming down, Chernobyl, and possibly the Iran-Contra scandal (quite a few Gen Xers probably don't remember, though hopefully most of them here do). Gulf War I as well, I suppose, though many Gen Xers were well into young adulthood by then.

Texasgal

(17,245 posts)
43. Yup! Spot on!
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:40 PM
Apr 2023

Not to mention MTV the birth of music videos, Gorbachev and the Iranian hostage crisis.

Edited to add, the shooting of John Lennon.

Polybius

(22,120 posts)
53. "though many Gen Xers were well into young adulthood by then"
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:35 PM
Apr 2023

I am smack in the middle; A true Xer if there ever was one, and I was 17 at the time. I remember it very well.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
7. this is irrationally optimistic
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:15 PM
Apr 2023

Thanks for enlightening me a bit, I was wondering about this.
The "wishful thinkers" out there, and perhaps this is a fear-coping mechanism, seem to think that the "Age of Mass Shootings" is going to somehow blow over, or go away, someday.
Why would anyone think that???
There is nothing at all stopping the accumulation of guns, which is on track to exceed one billion by the time a preschooler graduates high school.
So calling yourself the "mass shooting generation" is naive, and irresponsible.
This IS America, now. Dystopia is here, for all generations to come.
Thanks, Republican assholes!

PatSeg

(53,560 posts)
8. It is too hard to pick just one
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:16 PM
Apr 2023

Vietnam War, Watergate, assassinations of MLK, JFK, and RFK, the Chicago 7 (8), etc. There was so much going on, they all were part of a bigger whole.

crud

(1,282 posts)
9. Id have to say the music and philosophy of the so-called 60's counter culture
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:20 PM
Apr 2023

Turned 18 in 1973 so just missed the draft, and anti-war movement. My politics were already very liberal, joined the young socialists as a freshman in college. Pulled for Jimmy Carter, hated Reagan. Like a lot of folks, I grew up watching Vietnam war body counts on the nightly news. I think for many folks older than me, Vietnam war had a more profound impact.

ArnoldLayne

(2,265 posts)
10. The Vietnam War coming to an end and the Fall of Saigon, Watergate, the Gas Crisis with
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:25 PM
Apr 2023

long lines at the Gas Stations and the Patricia Hearst Kidnapping.

yonder

(10,315 posts)
11. Assassinations opposite NASA, a few years of sweating getting drafted, end of the war,
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:28 PM
Apr 2023

and on a more personal level: a gradual political awakening resulting in a "hard to port" course correction.

EYESORE 9001

(29,889 posts)
13. Vietnam War
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:33 PM
Apr 2023

I entered my teen years with the evening news vomiting the war into our living room practically every day. As I approached high school graduation, the fear of getting drafted dwindled as peace talks were showing signs that US combat troops would soon cease operations in Vietnam. I even had a draft number in the 340s, virtually guaranteeing I wouldn’t get drafted - and then the draft ended altogether.

Despite overcoming the threat of getting drafted, I wanted ‘inoculation’ against that possibility in the event of another conflict. I wanted to serve my country, but in a different capacity. I joined the Navy a few months out of high school, served 6 years active duty, and my military obligations were fulfilled.

EYESORE 9001

(29,889 posts)
20. More so for you than me
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:45 PM
Apr 2023

I graduated in 1972, and it was winding down by that time. I was in boot camp in March 1973 when US troops officially ceased operations.

calguy

(6,168 posts)
32. I'm happy for for you, and everyone else who wasn't trapped into the draft
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:42 PM
Apr 2023

I was in the first lottery, and drew a number under 100, which meant they were coming for me, since affording college was out of the question for me at the time.

I enlisted in order to choose a non-combat job classification and avoid the infantry. I was stationed in California my entire time, and all-in-all, I had a very pleasant three year experience.

Avoiding military service was not a possibility, but avoiding the war was quite easy if one chose to enlist for an extra year and avoid getting drafted.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,181 posts)
63. Like you, I knew that I was going to be drafted, so upon graduation from HS,
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:10 PM
Apr 2023

I enlisted in the Marines in '64 so I could get the MOS I wanted, which was a Heavy Equipment Operator,
after boot camp and learning to operate just about every piece of heavy equipment, I was shipped off to Vietnam for 12 months.
What a fun time that was.

Then I volunteered for another tour, not because I liked war, far from it, but my thinking was that if I go, then some poor boot with no combat experience wouldn't have to, so off I went for another 12 months of fun in the South East Asia games.

I spent 35 years in the Marines, some of it bad, but for the most part, I actually loved being a Marine and the retirement bennies aren't bad at all.

calguy

(6,168 posts)
72. My hat's off to you!
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:49 PM
Apr 2023

For guys in our generation, the draft and military service was an unavoidable fact of life.
A few of my friends who went in unhappy about it, actually liked it so much they made a career out of it, like you did.
It's a great and honorable career option for many young men.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,181 posts)
97. Oh, I couldn't agree more,
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 08:40 PM
Apr 2023

when women were finally allowed to choose to become combat engineers, I had 2 women join my platoon, they didn't take any shit from my Marines and were just as good as any male Marine, I wouldn't tolerate any sexism, racism, etc., those that exhibited those traits were quickly transferred out.

electric_blue68

(27,329 posts)
112. Ty for your attitude of initial respect, then the new people in your unit would prove or not to be..
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 09:33 AM
Apr 2023

the kind of soldiers/Marines you hoped they'd be.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #63)

electric_blue68

(27,329 posts)
109. Ty good article. I was 15 in 68, so yeah...Ouch!
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 09:10 AM
Apr 2023

I like the different cagetorizing the sixties as decade vs "The 60's" as mix of State of Mind, Series of Events often linked, that transcended the calendar.

tblue37

(68,449 posts)
14. Kennedy's assassination, the Vietnam War, & the moon landing. Plus, the Beatles.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:35 PM
Apr 2023

Last edited Thu Apr 20, 2023, 01:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. No one, it was a happening. :) But the civil rights movement and Vietnam.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:35 PM
Apr 2023

Btw, to me the civil rights movement absolutely included the Second Wave of the ongoing women's equality movement, the biggest of all: HALF of all demographics are women. (And white women were treated as another oppressed and exploited minority in those days.) We've come a long way, baby, but not far enough.

I still laugh when remembering the reaction of black women I knew to being told to bear more black babies as their contribution to black empowerment.



Not so funny, conservative males of all colors think their time has come again... .

maxsolomon

(39,138 posts)
16. John Lennon's assassination.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:39 PM
Apr 2023

December of my Senior Year.

Well, that defines my HS "generation". 2 years after or 2 years before, it's something else.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
45. My first year in college.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:49 PM
Apr 2023

Just finished a biology test and went to the cafeteria for lunch when I heard. He was my childhood hero. His anti-war, peace and love, and in his later life, embracing of feminism was my inspiration for becoming a social justice warrior.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
18. The surge forward in civil rights and women's rights and environmental awareness ...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:41 PM
Apr 2023

Oh, we also stopped a war. And watched a man walk on the Moon. And watched an awful lot of our heroes get assassinated.

So, there was a LOT going on.





Mossfern

(4,781 posts)
21. Viet Nam War...Eugene McCarthy!!!
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:46 PM
Apr 2023

For me it was an age of disillusionment; all those assassinations, the civil rights movement, body bags coming home...but we had hope. It was the beginning of younger generation becoming aware and taking action. The voting age was finally dropped to 18. Others tuned on, tuned in and dropped out. Some remained members of the counter culture in some way - others became suburbanites and worried more whether they were driving the most up to date status car.

I worked for McCarthy's campaign even though at 20, I was too young to vote.

boston bean

(36,962 posts)
22. Gen x here
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:46 PM
Apr 2023

Cold War to fall of USSR

Challenger disaster

1st Iraqi war

Bill Clinton’s impeachment

W’s Florida steal with assist from scotus.

WarGamer

(18,863 posts)
25. Well...
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 05:52 PM
Apr 2023

The most meaningful time of my life was probably 78-90

So, the 80's...

The greatest decade ever?

The music... we transitioned from 1970's stuff like Frampton and Croce... BTO...

To Van Halen in 78. Musically, it turned the generation on it's head.

Then a massive rush of new music... Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, to "Hair Metal" like Ratt, Poison, Def Leppard, Cinderella and Bon Jovi. Then the New Wave rolled in... DEVO, Missing Persons, Tears for Fears, Pet Shop Boys...

Mainstream rap... Beastie Boys, Run DMC, NWA, Grandmaster Flash...

To Movies... Aliens, Scarface, Blade Runner, Raiders of the Lost Ark...

The EVENT that defined my generation was... the 80's.

electric_blue68

(27,329 posts)
110. You might have not had the New Wave without Punk/CBGB's Original bands...
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 09:25 AM
Apr 2023

Television, The Patti Smith Group, The Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads.
Then The Clash, Sex Pistols, Souixse & The Banshees, The Jam etc

🙂👍

lpbk2713

(43,299 posts)
29. Late 60's early 70's. Hard to put a finger on it.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:13 PM
Apr 2023


Major social unrest; riots, cities in flames, assassinations.
Man on the moon, withdrawal from Viet Nam, Woodstock, flower children.

Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #29)

electric_blue68

(27,329 posts)
113. The article posted by quant post #33 was good mentioning the difference between ...
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 09:39 AM
Apr 2023

the 60's as the calendar decade VS "The 60's" as a state of mind, series of events that started either when JFK was elected, or assassinated, and ending probably with Nixon resigning.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,527 posts)
30. Apparently I'm the youngest to reply so far
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 06:23 PM
Apr 2023

9/11. Happened when I was a sophomore in High School. We had 14 Seniors enlist that year. A lot of my friends enlisted. And I enlisted after I graduated in 03.

Polybius

(22,120 posts)
58. What year were you born?
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:43 PM
Apr 2023

That was a massive event, I can only imagine. I was in my 20's at the time.

Maeve

(43,489 posts)
65. That would be true for my kids, Millennials....9/11
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:28 PM
Apr 2023

Very much a turning point for you age

Threads like this show how many of us boomers are here

74. Yeah, 9/11 for sure
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:54 PM
Apr 2023

Was in 8th grade, born in 88. Felt like an inflection point in my life; after that day, everything was _real_.

ITAL

(1,379 posts)
75. I'm a few years older than you
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 11:00 PM
Apr 2023

But I'd also say 9/11 was THE defining moment of my generation. I'd just graduated college (I was a summer graduate rather than May). I think for just about anyone aged 15-25 in 2001, it'd have to be that.

Obviously there were other impactful things I lived through, but nothing like that.

B.See

(8,870 posts)
73. Yeah... same here
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:51 PM
Apr 2023

Assassinations of Dr. King, John and Robert Kennedy, Vietnam, Civil Rights Movement, Beatles, Hendrix, and 70's music, following The One around campus ( )

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,181 posts)
64. Yeah, I remember the nuke drills also,
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:15 PM
Apr 2023

Tuck your head firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(15,009 posts)
37. massive changes in the workforce. I was a 70s kid..by the time I started working
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:15 PM
Apr 2023

women were expanding outside the roles of teacher/nurse/casher/typist. sexual harassment in the workforce training began in the mid 80s. non whites began entering management jobs in greater numbers.

electric_blue68

(27,329 posts)
116. I started f/t work in after summer '74 though I'd had summer jobs post HS...
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 10:08 AM
Apr 2023

While I did do office work, I also learned old fashion pre-Adobe, Aldus Computer graphics - paste up & mechanicals (T-Square, Triangle, a beautiful draft set from my dad, Letraset, etc) so I traded off between bunches of office type work years and paste up/mechanicals, graphic design and photo studio set up in a small cataloge house.
So I transcended the female worker trope at times.

Boomerproud

(9,364 posts)
46. 2 of my cousins were on campus that day.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:52 PM
Apr 2023

Some aholes still blame the murdered students. Justice has not been done.

40. the fear in my mom's demeanor when Reagan won 1980
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:23 PM
Apr 2023

has really stuck with me, and it was quite well-founded it turns out. Threw a generation of poor kids under the bus

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
47. War on Iraq, September 11th
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:53 PM
Apr 2023

The war on Iraq especially impacted me.

I was born in 1980, graduated high school in 1998, graduated college in 2002, and found myself in Iraq in 2004. I served as an Infantry Platoon Leader in Iraq from Feb 2004 to March 2005 and I saw quite a bit of combat when I was there. My platoon of 46 men had 5 Soldiers killed and another 7 Soldiers wounded during the 13 months we were there.

I returned from Iraq suffering from severe PTSD and I’m currently considered totally and permanently disabled as a result. I haven’t been able to work anything resembling a full time job since 2015.

The war has not only had a huge impact on my life, but the lives of both of my daughters and my ex wife as well - neither of whom served a day of their lives in the military or Iraq.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
48. So many events in the 60's-70's.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 07:58 PM
Apr 2023

But, I think my most significant event was the integration of schools. I was raised in apartheid Alabama and then in Nashville,TN. I had NEVER interacted with POC except in a superficial way. Even though we had a maid/nanny named Willie Mae, I actually feared black people because that is what I was taught.

Schools were integrated in my 4th grade and my parents tried like hell to get me into a private school, even though we couldn't really afford it. I'm SO happy our finances discluded me from attending.

I met so many wonderful children and my mind and heart were opened up. 💓 So, yeah, integration of schools.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
86. Watergate, Iran hostage crisis
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 08:49 AM
Apr 2023

and the energy crisis, with the long lines for gas and the altered school hours.

electric_blue68

(27,329 posts)
114. Ty for speaking about your original, and changed experiences....
Thu Apr 20, 2023, 09:57 AM
Apr 2023

Last edited Thu Apr 20, 2023, 10:31 AM - Edit history (1)

As a Northerner (as a tween) I'd heard about The South from reading, radio, TV.

My parents esp my mom bc I was with her more pointed out Northern racism to me, and they taught us respect for all people on first glance etc, unless over time someone presented to be constantly mean, cruel, a bigot etc. Certainly be wary, avoid if possible if some acted really nastily from the get go.

I too didn't have much contact with Black people other than in passing till 4th grade when 2 young African-Carribean girls joined our class. With my initial upbringing I could greet, treat them with a proper attitude, and then you could say by Dr King's hope I could decide if their personalities, and interests went well with mine. One did became a friend till college time. Not a break up of a friendship; her moving away, and my consentration on trying to do well in college.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

hatrack

(65,149 posts)
51. Earth Day, Watergate, Fall of Vietnam, Oil Shocks, Jonestown, Fall of The Shah . . .
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:02 PM
Apr 2023

. . . with the fall of the Berlin Wall bringing up the rear.

Jedi Guy

(3,501 posts)
56. Fall of the USSR, fall of the Berlin Wall, the advent of the Internet.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:39 PM
Apr 2023

9/11. The War on Terror. That's pretty much the major spread of events from my teen years into my early 20s.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
57. I'm an old Gen Xer, a couple years from being a Boomer.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:42 PM
Apr 2023

Unfortunately, the event that defined my age cohort was the election of that motherfucker Ronald Reagan. We entered high school in the fall of 1980. I went to a fairly wealthy white suburban high school and I had WAY too many Ronnie fan classmates. Imagine a school filled with preppy Alex P. Keatons. My friends and I called them "The Reagan Youth."

To this day, people born in the mid-60s are a very Republican-voting bloc. Makes me want to puke.

On the positive side, Reagan turned me into an instant liberal at age 14.

Polybius

(22,120 posts)
59. I know a few people around your age
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:48 PM
Apr 2023

I notice they are very, very different than Xers like myself born in the 70's. They don't like video games nearly as much as 70's Xers do, probably because they didn't experience it as little kids like we did. You also missed out on some awesome toys.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
60. Oh, you whippersnapper!
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 08:59 PM
Apr 2023

Back in MY day, we played LAWN DARTS. And if we got impaled, we didn’t go crying to our mommies or expect a participation trophy! (But seriously, I do remember lawn darts. They were awesome. ).

I was a bit of a video game pioneer, in that my well-connected grandfather sent us the very first version of Pong (early-mid 70s — not sure of exact year). We played it on our turn-the-dials-manually TV. I also remember going to video arcades a few times to play Pac Man and similar games as a young teen. But, yeah, the video game thing never “took” with me. I got bored with it fairly quickly.

On the other hand, I had a great attention span for reading long, semi-boring books. Go figure.

keep_left

(3,225 posts)
66. There is a similar phenomenon with the youngest members of the Boomer generation.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:45 PM
Apr 2023

It was noted many years ago that the youngest Boomers were more conservative and conformist than the older members of that generation who were by contrast more enthusiastic participants in the counterculture. The youngest Boomers grew up at a time of economic contraction and hardship. Some of that has been noted by others here: the oil shocks and recession of the '70s, the beginnings of deindustrialization and the Rust Belt. increasing foreign competition, and labor unrest. The "Me Generation" label began became part of the cultural banter applied to the younger Boomers, and while it was a lazy oversimplification, there was nonetheless something to the term. The largely unspoken attitude seemed to be "the postwar prosperity is over, and it's time to grab for whatever I can--and if I fuck over the next guy, too bad". Now that's definitely an oversimplification, but there's something to it, especially when we saw so many of the younger Boomers joining the ranks of the Yuppies, for example. Their feverish acquisitiveness and obsessive social climbing was hard to miss for many of us Xers who watched it happen.

Not surprisingly, the oldest Xers have some similarities in their outlook, as their experience was not unlike that of the later "Me Generation". The younger Xers born in the '70s do seem to have a different worldview which was probably shaped not only by history but also revolutionary technological changes.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
76. I think that makes sense.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 01:36 AM
Apr 2023

I’ve heard that subculture called “Generation Jones”— it’s sort of an oddball cohort.

I’ve never felt like I fit in with either Boomers or Gen X. And it’s funny because Gen X was so-named because it lacks identity, and I’m on the fringes of even that identification.

keep_left

(3,225 posts)
79. Yes, I forgot about "Generation Jones", which I understand is the group of younger Boomers...
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 02:30 AM
Apr 2023

...that I described: acquisitive social climbers, and not particularly interested in partaking of the counterculture. Similarly, a subgroup of Xers has been suggested, though I can't remember what it's called. But likewise, this grouping would contain the later (younger) Xers born in the '70s.

The main thing to remember, however, is that these generational groupings are pretty crude categorizations. Some of them cover much larger spans of time than others do (the Boomers) or contain a much larger population (again, the Boomers), while some groupings are quite small by comparison (Gen X). You can only say so much about any particular generation that is specific; usually only the most broad generalizations are possible.

I remember the days when the Madison Avenue marketing types were still trying to score big with the Xers back in the '90s. And the reality was that the Xers were a pretty diverse group that had also grown up with a lot of exposure to the mass media, and so we were all rather jaded. Gen X was just a really difficult target market, and we also aren't that big (< 30 million?). Eventually the Millennials and Zoomers (or whatever they're called these days) came along, and they're basically a mini baby boom, so the marketers just gave up on us. But I still remember some of the silly marketing campaigns (anyone remember OK Soda?).

As for the name "Generation X", wasn't that cribbed directly from Billy Idol's original (punk rock) band? And I think the name itself originated in disparaging remarks about the punk movement by some reactionary UK politician.

BumRushDaShow

(172,297 posts)
85. I'm a few months difference in age from former Prez. Obama
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 08:46 AM
Apr 2023

and our little "transition" (late boomer) generation has seen a whole range of eventful stuff from the '60s to the present, and of course that is now including seeing the beginning and end of America's "longest war(s) ". The older boomers were the ones who were our older brothers and sisters or were friends in the neighborhood back when neighborhoods were just overloaded with kids.

The cohorts have actually (in general) followed the rises and falls of births and birthrates, which were often impacted by economic conditions (e.g., the Great Depression and more recently, the Great Recession) and wars (WW1/WW2/Korean War/Vietnam War/Gulf Wars). I know I have posted this elsewhere -



The boomer transition and cutoff started right after "the pill" was approved (1960), where the "realized" birth drop happened a few years after (the 1964 that is commonly used). The one group that doesn't get talked about much but who deeply influenced the boomers were who I dub the "WW2 babies". That politically includes Prez. Biden & former Spkr. Pelosi, and many others (and particularly entertainers who many know and love like Joan Baez who we just saw out there a few days ago) who are in their 80s now.

From this graph (which is strictly showing expected "number of births" per individual) going further into the years, that latest group (post-2010) has now often been dubbed "Generation Alpha" -



The interesting thing is that there was a blip within the range of those who have been dubbed "Gen Z" (or "Zoomers" ) who came just before the "Great Recession" and who ended up forming a boomlet in number of births almost matching the boomers (where the oldest boomers were or could have been their grandparents). That's the group coming of age now as teens at or near voting age. They were exposed to such a multicultural environment and access to both national and international perspectives as younger children, and are now suddenly experiencing the harsh reality of the bigots who are attempting to "take away" all that they embraced, as well as being completely drenched in the tragedies of both gun violence and the opioid issue. But it's heartening to see them react so strongly and push back against that.

keep_left

(3,225 posts)
104. Except that book came out long after (1991) the punk movement in the UK.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 06:06 PM
Apr 2023

I remember the term "Generation X" originally being attributed to some reactionary UK politician. The context was a term of abuse directed at the punk movement in the UK. This would have been the mid-to-late-'70s. I guess they intended the "X" in "Gen X" to be a metaphor for a lack of ambition, social climbing, etc. And then Billy Idol and company turned it around by using it as a band name.

However, "Gen X" has been attributed to so many people that it's hard to know who the real progenitor is, especially because those who popularized the term probably deserve as much credit as those who created it. So Doug Copeland arguably deserves his share of the credit just like many others. Without the popularity, it would have remained on the fringes.

Then there are those who were really late to the party. I remember Time magazine ran a cover page article (complete with a snarling Eddie Vedder) about "those crazy Gen Xers and their angry music". Time was at least a year late when it came to their coverage of various movements, including the rise of "grunge" music and the Gen Xers coming of age. I think their silly title was "All the Rage".

Ms. Toad

(38,824 posts)
61. Not a single event.
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 09:01 PM
Apr 2023

Vietnam
The Kennedy assassinations
MLK assassination
Nixon/Watergate
The moon landing

ForgedCrank

(3,120 posts)
67. That has
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:08 PM
Apr 2023

always been an elusive question for myself and those I grew up around.
I grew up and lived my life in a pretty rural area, before large media became a thing. No cable, we could get 5 broadcast TV stations on a GOOD night, so TV wasn't even really a thing for us. Because of that, we basically made our own world, void mostly of any popular culture outside of music.
Don't get me wrong, we weren't secluded like North Koreans or something, but information was slow, very poor quality, and frankly, no one paid it much attention. We just lived our lives doing what we had to do.
Music was the primary outside influence for us. We would drive into the city and go to record stores and be amazed at all the stuff we had never even heard of because of the garbage top 40 station we could get didn't cover much.
Even though the space race was long over, I remember a lot of toys and products still marketed around it, stuff like "Tang" and others.
So anyway, we weren't really even part of our own generation if that makes any sense at all. We worked hard, we played hard, and focused a lot on family, and that was about it. We were quite happy and content.

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
70. Bush v Gore to 9/11 to the Iraq War
Mon Apr 10, 2023, 10:24 PM
Apr 2023

Really 2000 was the most consequential year. If Gore was President the September 11th attacks probably would been prevented.

And even if they had he wouldn't have responded by invading Iraq. The Bush presidency sent us down a very dark path of fear and distrust that led us to Trump.

Straw Man

(6,955 posts)
77. Hard to pick just one.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 02:09 AM
Apr 2023

Assassinations (both Kennedys and MLK), the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war, and Watergate. On the plus side, Woodstock and the moon landings. They all loom pretty large.

canetoad

(21,032 posts)
78. Mullets
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 02:09 AM
Apr 2023

Both male and female.

Nah, not really. Being a mid-boomer in the UK at the time, there was still a lot of fall-out from WW2, other than that Beatles, Manson, Viet war - all the usual mid boomer stuff.

Celerity

(54,890 posts)
80. The most impactful events from 1996 to now, so far (I am a 1996-born Zillennial)
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 02:44 AM
Apr 2023

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (8 and 1/2 or so before I was born) enabled the corporate consolidation of the MSM

Fox News launches October 7, 1996, right before I was born

Clinton is reelected on November 5, 1996, right after I was born

Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 (repealed most of Glass-Steagall, helped pave the way for the global finacial crash of 2007-2009)

The Dot-com bubble of 1996-2000 starts to burst in March 2000

Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (relegalised most forms of types of the Roosevelt-era banned finacial derivatives, which also truly helped pave the way for the global financial crash of 2007-2009, and which (derivatives) still input huge systemic risk)

Bush is selected POTUS by the SCOTUS in 2000

9/11

Illegal US invasion of Iraq starts March 20, 2003

Bush is reelected on November 2, 2004

The rise of social media in the mid noughties (especially FB in 2004, YouTube in 2005, Twitter in 2006, etc) and increasing ever after

The rise of touchscreen smartphones (truly starting on June 29, 2007 with the iPhone launch)

2007-2009 global finacial crisis

Bitcoin (and thus blockchain crypto currency in general) is introduced in a October 31, 2008 published white paper, and the first bitcoin ledger tansaction takes place 9 weeks later on January 3, 2009

Obama wins the POTUS on November 4, 2008, sworn in January 20, 2009

Obama is reelected on November 6, 2012

Obergefell v. Hodges, June 26, 2015, legalisation of same sex marriage

Brexit

Trump winning the POTUS on November 8, 2016, sworn in January 20, 2017

COVID-19 kicks in globally early 2020

Biden beats Trump on November 3, 2020, is sworn in on January 20, 2021

Putin invades Ukraine again, in far larger fashion, starting February 24, 2022

Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, June 24, 2022, overturns Roe v Wade

ChatGPT-3.5, the initial OpenAI chatbot,is released on November 30. 2022


 

vercetti2021

(10,481 posts)
82. 9/11
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 03:42 AM
Apr 2023

That, Oklahoma city, Columbine, Iraq war, Bush being appointed by the scotus. This was a hard time being a millennial least one of the younger heaps of millennials. This is also when depression became more common and open to the world than being shut away. I had so much going on in my life and the events of the world made it worse.

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Deep State Witch

(12,756 posts)
89. The Challenger Explosion
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:50 AM
Apr 2023

When all of the myths of a bright, shiny future exploded and came crashing down to Earth.

Reagan and "Reaganomics". AIDS.

MineralMan

(151,563 posts)
90. Assassinations of JFK and MLK started it.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:52 AM
Apr 2023

Vietnam war solidified it.

Other things, too, of course.

 

NotVeryImportant

(578 posts)
91. 9/11
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 05:15 PM
Apr 2023

Gen Xer here, couple years out of college and was living in NYC at the time.

I remember that crap like yesterday.

Bush II is still worse than Trump.

LAS14

(15,537 posts)
93. The answers here may give a better look...
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 05:22 PM
Apr 2023

... at the age of DUers than direct questions and polls.

OR!!! Were the 80's and 90's just so incredibly boring that those folks aren't inspired to respond?

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

llmart

(17,729 posts)
102. Since you asked for a singular event and not several...
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 05:31 PM
Apr 2023

I'd have to say the Viet Nam war impacted my life the most. Siblings being sent off to the jungles and some not coming back, married to someone who had a low draft number, sister who volunteered to go and came back emotionally scarred, nightly news reports that showed the carnage over there while you were eating dinner.

Of course all the others that were mentioned were also impactful, but personally my life was most affected by the war.

Stinky The Clown

(68,964 posts)
107. Thanks for honoring my intent.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 07:46 PM
Apr 2023

A single event. I get the multiple answers and why they were made. No issues at all with that. But I really was curious for a single event.

Like you, the war was mine.

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