If judges are going to start taking drugs off the market, we know where they need to start

[kpete]

https://digbysblog.net/2023/04/10/if-judges-are-going-to-start-taking-drugs-off-the-market-we-know-where-they-need-to-start/

[Irish_Dem]

1. Viagra needs to be taken off the market NOW.

Women judges need to start taking action.

Why are women letting men use us as a punching bag?

[JanLip]

4. I was just thinking yesterday

I wonder what men would say if women told them “no more viagra for you”. Men would have to do without it that had ED. I just bet they would tell us to mind our own business. I think I’m all for a ban on all medications like viagra. Oh and the doctors would be arrested if they tried to prescribe it 😉😉

Jan

[Amishman]

11. on what basis?

simply hating men and attempting to get revenge on them is not a reasonable strategy.

[onecaliberal]

14. Did you see the graph above? It's killing men.

[Amishman]

45. At a tiny rate

And a fair bit of those are likely preexisting cardio issues, as heart failure can contribute to erectile dysfunction.

Let's not pretend this is about saving a few lives.

[onecaliberal]

47. It is about equal justice under the law so women have the exact same rights as men.

Feathers are ruffled when talking about the same kind of bodily regulation for men as proposed for women.

[Maraya1969]

61. You're not seeing sarcasm. Eom

[Artcatt]

17. This isn't "man-hating." It's women not wanting to be treated like property.

Really isn’t a tough concept if you listen.

[Irish_Dem]

52. Men treat women like animals, but get mad if their sex drugs are taken away.

[Hope22]

66. They have the right to a loaded gun! n/t

[cstanleytech]

25. It's based on the same logic that the judge used to ban the other drug based

upon the "risk" of death.

[Irish_Dem]

48. But men think it is OK to hate women, kill and torture them

That is OK.

If women fight back, we are lectured and admonished.

Shame Shame Shame.

[Amishman]

59. 'men think this', 'women think this'

So tired of the lazy thinking and broad brushes.

[inthewind21]

73. Well

Stop being a lazy thinker. It's just that simple.

[edisdead]

19. I mean why?

That is absolutely ridiculous. That hurts men and women.


Ya know men don’t just take viagra to go banging anything that moves. The ability to have intimate relationships is crucial to couples married or otherwise.

This is a stupid idea.

[thesquanderer]

22. 'cause it kills at 10x the rate of the drug they want to take off the market for being too dangerous

It's in the chart in the OP.

The point is that they are fighting mifepristone for being risky, while being fine with viagra that is 10x riskier. So if they think taking Viagra off the market is a bad idea, there must be some other reason they're against mifepristone. Gee, I wonder what that could be.

[BidenRocks]

24. All three of those drugs are taken

due to underlying medical conditions.
Viagra, old and usually blood flow problems.
Pregnancy? Not everyone lives in a blue state with health care
Penicillin? That could be anything.
Like Covid deaths, it's the patients health, and the drugs were there to help.

[edisdead]

26. But you know that is false right?

You know they aren’t banning mifepristone because of deaths. Like we all know thats complete bullshit. So why would we hurt more people by banning another product for bullshit reasons? Let’s say we really did get viagra banned. Ok… Now what? Couples can’t have sex? Oh and Mifepristone is still banned? It still doesn’t change the goal that they just want to control women any way they can.

It has absolutely no effect and hurts more people. This is a completely juvenile response.

[thesquanderer]

39. I think you're being more literal than the poster intended.

The point of saying "ban Viagra" isn't to actually ban Viagra, but to make the point that, if you're going say you're banning mifepristone for its riskiness, then why not band Viagra for its far greater riskiness? IOW, the point isn't really to say ban Viagra, it's another way to say don't ban mifepristone.

What you said, "You know they aren’t banning mifepristone because of deaths. Like we all know thats complete bullshit, " is the exact point of saying ban Viagra. It's to point out the bullshit. It's not a juvenile response, it's a response more akin to Jonathan Swift's "modest proposal" to sell children as food.

Someone who says this doesn't really want Viagra made illegal, what they want is for mifepristone to stay legal.

[edisdead]

43. Then what is the point?

Using a talking point that is incongruous and not effective in making a point is really just talking shit. That doesn’t help at all. Making the point of taking away someones treatment of a health concern isn’t congruent to taking away someones bodily autonomy. It doesn’t even equate. And if someone is saying it just be flippant…. What is the point? Women a basic human right to control their bodies. To me that is the only message that will gain any traction. Threatening or even making statements about removing others care will do absolutely nothing to move the needle.

[thesquanderer]

58. The point? Satirically showing the disingenuousness of their position. n/t

[Hope22]

69. Don't engage.....

[Ilsa]

68. The point is also to hit them at a very personal, intimate level,

which they are comfortable with doing to women.

[inthewind21]

74. The point

Well, to bring out the exact reaction you are having. THAT's the point. I'd like to say it's surprising to see the quick jump to defend MINE and call a comparison "silly" here, but sadly, I'm not surprised at all. So basically your stance is, sorry about yours but LEAVE MINE ALONE! It's not the same. Got it!

[Irish_Dem]

49. But it is not a stupid idea to kill and torture women?

Make them brood mares?
Ruin their lives?

[edisdead]

60. who said otherwise?

Not I.

[exboyfil]

2. I could even make a religious case for removing Viagra

Eccles. 3-
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven-

[scarletlib]

3. That's right.

If you can’t get it up the you must accept that it is God’s will.

[JanLip]

5. Good one!!

😂😂

Jan

[markodochartaigh]

35. Well viagra is given to bedridden men sometimes.

To keep them from rolling out of bed.

jk

[Kaleva]

6. Many women like viagra

These posts try to make women to be sexless creatures

[wnylib]

10. No they don't. There are plenty of men around

who don't need Viagra. Why would banning it make women into sexless creatures?

[Kaleva]

12. So women in a LTR will just go shopping for another man?

The OP and others like it avoid the fact that many women like viagra. The OP pretends that it is only men who want and use it.

[Farmer-Rick]

16. Yeah, and many men are fine with abortion

I know a lot of men who think abortion pills are perfect. Many countries sell it over the counter.

So what? They still want to ban the abortion pill. It doesn't matter to GQP evangelicals that are on the courts, who is in favor of what drugs.

[Kaleva]

44. And many women oppose abortion and the right to choose.

[Farmer-Rick]

63. Yeah, so in the end it doesn't matter

Take away a woman's free will about a pregnancy or take away a man's free will about ED. If some lunatic judge decides it's against his religion, too bad so sad.

[wnylib]

21. I think that you are missing the point of the OP.

It is not actually advocating for the banning of Viagra. It is illustrating the unequal treatment of health care for men and for women. There are women who like Viagra. There are men who want women to have reproductive health care choices. But, in the end, it's women's health care that is being attacked politically.

[crickets]

28. Ding! EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS POST, THANKS. nt

[StarryNite]

29. This

[edisdead]

30. Baloney.

This stupid tact gets trotted out on our side of the aisle constantly and it is just a divisive hack that people fall for constantly.

Instead of uniting behind the right thing which is bodily autonomy we fight back with threats of taking things away from not only men but women too?

If people are just stating that to make a point it sure isn’t a very good one. And I for one don’t believe that there aren’t those among us that wouldn’t be just fine with it.

Case in point in another reply where it states there are plenty of able men to take the place of a person with ED.


Edit to add: We are a feminist household of multiple generations. My mother in law helps to run a battered womens shelter. My wife is involved in several women’s empowerment orgs and helps to advise and mentor several younger women looking to get on their feet and becoming self sufficient. I have helped remake youth sports in my area to focus on building confidence and structure in girls sports.

The people I know in my life doing work look at this argument as…. Not helpful.

[wnylib]

46. Well, I call HORSE MANURE And if credentials are called for,

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I am a survivor of domestic violence from before there were "battered" women's shelters. I survived not only "battering" ( a term which I dislike), but deliberate attempts to kill me before and after leaving my ex. I have done paid and volunteer work as an advocate for women dealing with rape and other forms of relationship violence. I lost someone dear to me after she was raped, impregnated, and took her own life to escape the flashback memories of the rape and forced birth. I was a Big Sister volunteer for a child who, it turned out, was a victim of sexual abuse by a male in her household. I personally knew the detective who investigated the case and was able to give him info that helped convict the child rapist.

My (second) husband's uncle, after years of caring for a wife with Parkinson's, had problems with ED after she died when he attempted to be with women sexually again. He found medication very helpful. (He confided this to my husband who told me.)

I see no harm in illustrating the insanity of unequal health care for women with a suggestion of denying health care to men. It is not an equivalency, though, since ED is not physically life threatening, but pregnancies can be in cases of ectopic pregnancy or impregnation by an abusive partner.

It is an illustrating suggestion, not a real one. In NO WAY does the illustrating suggestion take away from people doing actual work in the fields of rape and other relationship violence.

You think that there are some women who would take the suggestion seriously? Perhaps, just as there are men who take denial of women's reproductive healthcare seriously. Quite a few men support that denial, in fact. Enough that they are passing laws on it and giving court rulings on it.

But your concern about the suggestion and about women who might take it seriously is a good example of the point that the OP illustration is making, that the denial of Viagra would be just as upsetting for men as the denial of reproductive healthcare is for women. And yet, the denial for women is life-threatening while the suggested denial for men is not.

[MontanaMama]

34. +1

THIS is the point.

[Spazito]

41. Well said!

[Kaleva]

42. There are also women who oppose freedom of choice

[wnylib]

57. And men who support it.

Life is like that, isn't it?

[edisdead]

27. What the absolute $&@?

Are you serious right now?

Holy hell.

So families should be torn apart so mom can get laid? For real???? The ability for couples to be intimate has probably saved tons of marriages and therefore likely families. Maybe that matters to you or maybe it doesn’t but it certainly does to others.

In fact THAT is one of the reasons to argue in favor of not banning mifepristone. Because it IS a tool used in family planning. Too many children in a family can lead to hardship that could put pressure on the family causing divorce/separation or less than ideal economic pressures.

But this idea that there are plenty of available men to fill in is a horseshit response.

[wnylib]

56. Actually, I had singles in mind when I posted that.

No, I would not want to see families broken up over untreated ED, although it is quite common for men to have sexual affairs, one nighters, or prostitutes when their wives are unavailable due to illness or pregnancy.

The strong reaction against the OP suggestion about Viagra, or against the suggestion that women could seek satisfaction elsewhere (which is how men often handle situations when women are unable to have sex) illustrates the point of the OP, that health care for men and women is unequal. Men get outraged at the OP's mere suggestion while women are dealing with the actual reality of being denied medication that could be life saving.

[Irish_Dem]

50. That's funny. Men think women's sex lives revolve around viagra.

LOL

[sinkingfeeling]

55. +100

[sinkingfeeling]

7. I got blasted last week for suggesting we try and have Viagra removed. Told it

was childish 'tit-for-tat'.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217806619

[Timeflyer]

8. I'm with you--interfering with other people's bodily autonomy medically should go both ways.

And if god wills a flaccid penis, men should rejoice and cherish it.

[Farmer-Rick]

18. Yeah, many get upset

With the idea of taking away a man's free will when it comes to flaccid penises.

But taking away a woman's free will when it comes to pregnancy is A OK.

[JanLip]

33. It's not childish

If the abortion pill is banned why not ban viagra. Just proving a point. But God forbid we’re being childish

Jan

[Irish_Dem]

51. Don't let them beat you down and silence you.

Don't let them lecture and admonish you into silence.

[Hope22]

67. I get blasted for saying it's time for a national strike.

Women need to shut it down! It seems that anything that might work in actuality getting our rights back is off limits. That is why every week…drip drip drip we slid further away from our autonomous selves. Let’s talk about the blue pill and a man’s right to impregnate a woman. I don’t care if they take the pill but god might be a bit angry. She shut it down for a reason!

[AllaN01Bear]

9. i had a very severe reaction to penicillin when i was 2 yo. big fat red alert on my

chart.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. I saw this one yesterday

[onecaliberal]

15. THIS!

[Rebl2]

20. It is solely

about controlling women.

[LoisB]

23. Exactly.

[JanLip]

31. YES!!!

Jan

[Initech]

37. Guns, alcohol, and Viagra keep MAGA judges and representatives employed.

[Initech]

32. I thought conservatives didn't want government interfering with private enterprise.

This is blatant fucking fascism.

[Takket]

36. Yeah the ruling had nothing to do with safety

The ruling was made before the case was even filed. The judge had his mind made up as an anti choicer and was just working with the prosecution for an argument to justify the ruling.

It’s a fucking joke. Our system is completely broken.

[markodochartaigh]

38. I forsee thorny, and uniquely US, legal battles here.

"Health" insurance companies will try to buy judges who will outlaw expensive medications, and pharmaceutical companies will buy judges who will legalize incredibly expensive medications. The death cage of 'Murican Justice, two corporations enter, one corporation leaves! Only Our Lord Mammon knows "who" will win!!! Let the payoffs commence!!!!

[Irish_Dem]

53. It's OK to treat women like animals, but for god's sake don't take way a man's sex drugs.

[Irish_Dem]

54. Instead of fighting to keep their sex drugs, men need to fight for women's human rights.

Take their viagra until they wake the hell up.

[redstatebluegirl]

62. Take away their Viagra!!!!

[Mister Ed]

64. Wow. I'm amazed at the way people have misunderstood this OP.

I guess this is one of the reasons I've seldom stuck my neck out and posted an OP myself.

I'm awfully grateful to posters like you, kpete, for braving the slings and arrows so often over the years.

[Hope22]

70. It's not misunderstanding.

This action is to control the conversation and distract from any solutions to the problem.

[inthewind21]

75. Very telling

Isn't it.

[kpete]

76. not brave

but thanks for the shout out,
kp

[Phoenix61]

65. I completely agree! Excellent place to start.

I’m over playing nice. Responding with sane, rational arguments is what got us in this mess in the first place. We’ve been bringing knives to a gun fight… time for the bazooka.

[Hope22]

71. At a minimum it will prevent a few unwanted forced pregnancies

Until this abortion legality issues is rectified.

[allegorical oracle]

72. There's always the "Lysistrata" option. For those unacquainted with the Greek tale...

It's Aristophanes' comic account of a woman's extraordinary mission to end the Peloponnesian War between Greek city states by denying all the men of the land any sex, which was the only thing they truly and deeply desired. Lysistrata persuades the women of the warring cities to withhold sexual privileges from their husbands and lovers as a means of forcing the men to negotiate peace—a strategy, however, that inflames the battle between the sexes.


The play is notable for being an early exposé of sexual relations in a male-dominated society.
(Source: Wikipedia)