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cstamm53

(58 posts)
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:19 AM Apr 2023

Will "Margie" accuse the Dalai Lama of being a "groomer"?

The Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama apologized on Monday after a video which showed him asking a boy to suck his tongue triggered a backlash on social media.

The video, which has gone viral, shows the Dalai Lama, 87, planting a kiss on the boy's lips as he leaned in to pay his respects.

The Buddhist monk is then seen sticking his tongue out as he asked the child to suck it. "Can you suck my tongue," he is heard asking the young boy in the video.

https://www.rawstory.com/dalai-lama-apologises-for-asking-boy-to-suck-his-tongue/

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Will "Margie" accuse the Dalai Lama of being a "groomer"? (Original Post) cstamm53 Apr 2023 OP
Only if he was behaving like one. Which he was. Maru Kitteh Apr 2023 #1
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only if she believe the d lama is a dem. nt Javaman Apr 2023 #3
He has espoused democratic values like peace, harmony and kindness Maru Kitteh Apr 2023 #8
while I loath MTG, and I loath the fact that she will probably label him a Dem Javaman Apr 2023 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2023 #17
Marge never turns down an opportunity to be abjectly wrong. no_hypocrisy Apr 2023 #4
I don't trust any religious or spiritual leaders. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2023 #5
"Every single one of them"? TheProle Apr 2023 #18
Wow, that's a pretty wide blanket statement. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #19
You beat me to it. shrike3 Apr 2023 #21
Ghandi cbabe Apr 2023 #27
Feel free to provide links for ALL religious leaders. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #31
Couldn't find anything at your links. shrike3 Apr 2023 #34
Every single religious sect. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2023 #29
Well, that's something quite different, isn't it? BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #32
You can add a lot of (if not most( secular organizations/institutions to that. shrike3 Apr 2023 #35
She might since he is non white xtian. But how about Josh Duggar ? JI7 Apr 2023 #6
The DL may just be getting senile. He's like 80. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2023 #7
He is 87 in a few months and there have FalloutShelter Apr 2023 #9
I think he's cut way back on his schedule. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2023 #10
Neither do I. FalloutShelter Apr 2023 #12
He always came across as -- sensible. shrike3 Apr 2023 #23
And the Chinese just jump on everything and anything leftyladyfrommo Apr 2023 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2023 #25
I wondered if there were a cultural custom involved that I hadn't heard about. shrike3 Apr 2023 #22
I wondered about that as well TexasBushwhacker Apr 2023 #30
Ye, so now he cannot control his urges or do them in private obamanut2012 Apr 2023 #26
Since he's a "muslin" - yes, probably. /s LeftinOH Apr 2023 #14
Um no. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #15
the "/s" is for sarcasm. As in - deplorables don't know LeftinOH Apr 2023 #20
Well, he's already been called that here. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #16
Yeah. Who needs Greene? Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #24
Yes, I saw it posted more than once. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #33
He's past the grooming....I think "pervert" is a more appropriate word. Sogo Apr 2023 #28

Response to cstamm53 (Original post)

Maru Kitteh

(31,761 posts)
8. He has espoused democratic values like peace, harmony and kindness
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:35 AM
Apr 2023

Whereas their values are hate, white patriarchy and cruelty. All of this makes him Democratic-adjacent



Now he fucked up.

Yes he will he called a groomer by the right, and everyone should be asking themselves; if he was so comfortable doing this in the open with witnesses - what's been goin on in the dark with the door closed;


Javaman

(65,711 posts)
11. while I loath MTG, and I loath the fact that she will probably label him a Dem
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:43 AM
Apr 2023

the d lama needs to be called out on this shit.

Response to Javaman (Reply #11)

BlueTsunami2018

(4,990 posts)
5. I don't trust any religious or spiritual leaders.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:25 AM
Apr 2023

Every single one of them has been caught up in child diddling for time immemorial.

She would actually be right this time.

TheProle

(3,982 posts)
18. "Every single one of them"?
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:19 AM
Apr 2023

Really. "Every single" religious or spiritual leader for "time immemorial"?

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
19. Wow, that's a pretty wide blanket statement.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:25 AM
Apr 2023

MLK Jr.? Gandhi? All the popes? Farrakhan? The Islamic leaders past and present? Billy Graham?

Could you post some links showing the "child diddling" that they were "caught up in"?

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
21. You beat me to it.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:29 AM
Apr 2023

I'd like to add Bishop Tutu, who came across in interviews as one of the nicest people alive.

cbabe

(6,648 posts)
27. Ghandi
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 12:12 PM
Apr 2023

For starters:

https://www.miamiherald.com › news › nation-world › national › article105581626.html

Was Gandhi saint or sinner? Debate rages over statue - Miami Herald
Gandhi was also called a pedophile by many in the crowd for sleeping nude with his teenage grandnieces to test the strength of his vow of chastity. "Gandhi was a child molester," said Tej Maan ...

https://gvwire.com › 2020 › 07 › 20 › ad-calls-gandhi-a-racist-pedophile-urges-removal-of-fresno-state-bust

Ad calls Gandhi a racist pedophile urges removal of Fresno State bust
Gandhi was undeniably racist towards Africans, dismissive of both the Armenians under the Ottoman Turks and Jews in Nazi Germany. He disrespected Sikhs and held contempt towards oppressed Dalitz. His pedophilic ways are well-documented. We can do better. President Castro. Bring our community together and let's unite against hypocrisy."

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
31. Feel free to provide links for ALL religious leaders.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 05:03 PM
Apr 2023

The poster claimed that ALL were child molesters.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
34. Couldn't find anything at your links.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:00 PM
Apr 2023

Hard to know with Ghandi because there was a lot of character assassination coming from the British side. I take some of what I read with a grain of salt.
Here's a bit from NPR re Ghandi:

There's no way around it: Gandhi was a racist early in his life, says his biographer Ramachandra Guha.

"Gandhi as a young man went with the ideas of his culture and his time. He thought in his 20s that Europeans are the most civilized. Indians were almost as civilized, and Africans were uncivilized," Guha, 61, told NPR in an interview in May at his home in Bengaluru, India.

"However, he outgrew his racism quite decisively, and for most of his life as a public figure, he was an anti-racist, talking for an end to discrimination of all kinds," he said.

That included gender discrimination. Gandhi championed women in politics. But he was also obsessed with his own celibacy. In his late 70s, before he died at 78, he slept naked with his grandniece when she was in her late teens. He said he wanted to test his willpower to abstain from sex.

Nowadays, most people would call that abuse. Some question whether the young female was capable of giving consent as a minor to a man who was so revered and so much more powerful than she.

In 1962, when British filmmaker Richard Attenborough began researching what would become his 1982 Gandhi film, he asked Jawaharlal Nehru, India's first prime minister, how he should portray his late colleague. Nehru famously replied that Gandhi was "a great man, but he had his weaknesses, his moods and his failings." He begged Attenborough not to turn Gandhi into a saint. He was "much too human," Nehru said.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,990 posts)
29. Every single religious sect.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 04:29 PM
Apr 2023

Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Baptists, Mormons, Buddhists and so on and so forth. Not every single person but every single denomination or religious sect.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
32. Well, that's something quite different, isn't it?
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 05:06 PM
Apr 2023

I imagine that pedophiles exist in every area of human life for that matter. Disgusting as it is to imagine, I have no doubt it's true.

Religion has no monopoly on this.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
35. You can add a lot of (if not most( secular organizations/institutions to that.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:02 PM
Apr 2023

The Boy Scouts. Ox-fam. University of Michigan. U.S. Olympic Committee. The Bureau of Indian Affairs. Countless youth athletics clubs, some of which are in my area. We as humans have a lot of work to do.

JI7

(93,617 posts)
6. She might since he is non white xtian. But how about Josh Duggar ?
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:31 AM
Apr 2023

and Gym Jordan ? And so many others that she would identify with ?

FalloutShelter

(14,466 posts)
9. He is 87 in a few months and there have
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:36 AM
Apr 2023

been concerns about dementia. It is time he withdraws from the public. IMHO


For those who do not know, sticking out one's tongue is a form of greeting in Tibet.
Otherwise, the inappropriate language is something I was in my father when he suffered from dementia. The filters are entirely of and he would often blurt terrible things and be totally unaware that he wasn't expressing something else entirely.
It is very sad.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
10. I think he's cut way back on his schedule.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:39 AM
Apr 2023

I don't want to see his reputation wrecked by one strange incident.

FalloutShelter

(14,466 posts)
12. Neither do I.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:43 AM
Apr 2023

My life has been immeasurably enriched by my good fortune to have attend several teachings by The Dalai Lama.
His lifetime of good works and fight for peace should not be tarnished by this.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,005 posts)
13. And the Chinese just jump on everything and anything
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 09:47 AM
Apr 2023

to make him look terrible. They will blast this all over.

Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #10)

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
22. I wondered if there were a cultural custom involved that I hadn't heard about.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:32 AM
Apr 2023

Language of course terribly inappropriate. But you're exactly right, i.e. filters and dementia.

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
26. Ye, so now he cannot control his urges or do them in private
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:48 AM
Apr 2023

Getting old and senile does not make you a pedophile.

The Dalai Lama love and support has always been old to me. He does done and said so many pretty horrible things,.

LeftinOH

(5,648 posts)
20. the "/s" is for sarcasm. As in - deplorables don't know
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:25 AM
Apr 2023

anything about other religious, and freely conflate them with each other (Islam, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc).

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
16. Well, he's already been called that here.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 10:05 AM
Apr 2023

I can only imagine if a Christian leader had been seen in this situation.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
33. Yes, I saw it posted more than once.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 05:09 PM
Apr 2023

By some well known here, so we didn't need to wait for Greene, as you say.

Sogo

(7,191 posts)
28. He's past the grooming....I think "pervert" is a more appropriate word.
Tue Apr 11, 2023, 12:21 PM
Apr 2023

This incident makes one wonder what he's been like with children in private....

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