Could there have been a long-term plan for TFG getting convicted and then pardoned?

[no_hypocrisy]

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No, I don't mean by POTUS.

I mean by the Governor of New York.

Could this be the true reason why Andrew Giuliani, the son of Rudy, was suddenly running for the republican nomination for governor last year without a single year of experience in ANY elected office? He'd be the one to pardon TFG on behalf of his father and former employer if he were nominated and elected.

And even though AG wasn't nominated, TFG could have just as easily relied upon the republican candidate, Lee Zeldin, for a pardon.

I know TFG doesn't think beyond three minutes from any given moment. This appears to be the "strategy" of people around him.

[Scrivener7]

1. I don't think a governor can pardon anyone of federal crimes, and about

half of tfg's crimes are federal. And Giuliani was never going to be governor. Nor was Zeldin.

So no. I don't think anyone thought this was going to happen.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Point taken. I forgot a President has the discretion to pardon a federal crime

in a state court.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

4. Federal crimes aren't tried in state courts

Federal courts try federal crimes, and only a President can pardon those crimes.

State courts try state crimes, and only governors can pardon state crimes. A President has no jurisdiction to pardon anyone of state crimes.

There are never federal crimes tried in state courts or vice versa. Federal crimes are usually held in a federal court district of a state--but not the state court itself.

I don't know where anyone would or could have given you the idea that the two can be interchanged, because they can't.

[wnylib]

3. Agree that Andrew Giuliani had no chance of winning.

But Zeldin came closer than he should have.

[brooklynite]

5. People were throwing around this silly notion two years ago.

It fails because there wasn't a movement of Trump's people around Andrew Giuliani as the Republican nominee. He never had the funding that this supposed conspiracy would have been able to produce. He just just decided to run for ambition and a future political career. He had no consequential endorsements and got less than a quarter of the Republican vote.