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Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 08:38 AM Apr 2023

Criminal Investigations Still Needed for Architects of US Invasion of Iraq

An excellent suggestion…



Criminal Investigations Still Needed for Architects of US Invasion of Iraq

Repealing the AUMF recognizes the error of the Iraq War that began in 2003, but to acknowledge its true nature, we must go further.


by Dennis Fritz, Matthew Hoh, Lawrence Wilkerson, Coleen Rowley, Karen Kwiatkowski, Gregory Daddis
CommonDreams.org, Apr 12, 2023

The U.S. Senate repealing the 2002 Authorization for Military Force in Iraq was necessary and just. Still, that action should be viewed only as a first step in a national process of reckoning with and accounting for the consequences of the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Often identified as the worst foreign policy decision in United States history, the Iraq War was catastrophic for millions of Americans and Iraqis and cataclysmic for Iraqi society, regional stability and international law. The invasion and occupation are correctly acknowledged as a crime: a war commissioned on lies and a violation of the Nuremberg Principles. As men and women in military or federal government service at the time of the invasion, we’re compelled to remind others of the devastation this war has wrought to ensure that the US does not re-commit this sin.

The costs of the Iraq War are staggering. As veterans we know this all too well. Over 4,500 US servicemembers were killed and more than 30,000 wounded. At least 3,600 contractors lost their lives, all men and women who would have been wearing military uniforms in previous wars. Hundreds of thousands of veterans returned from Iraq and Afghanistan (for those who fought the war it is difficult to untie the two, as so many of us participated in both) physically and mentally destroyed. Suicide, as in all wars, looms large. Limited data by the Veterans Administration states that the suicide rates for Iraq veterans are four to 10 times higher than that of their civilian peers. This grim figure supports the age-old adage that only the dead have seen the end of war.

In the U.S., many Iraq veterans will tell you that they know more dead from suicide now than from combat.

The horrific cost to the Iraqi people is as hard to grasp as it is shameful to face. Credible estimates of the number of Iraqis killed since 2003 total one million. There is no known number of wounded; it must also total in the millions. The psychological scars run deep: More than half of the Iraqi population is believed to be living with PTSD and depression, while in 2021, nearly one in four Iraqis were refugees. For those of us who were there, these are some of the hardest memories to face.

As members of the military, our expectations of entering Iraq to help the people, or at least doing them no harm, as promised in the thankfully discredited doctrine of Counter Insurgency, were replaced with the visceral understanding that we were nothing more than agents of the war’s immoral and catastrophic provenance. While our experiences of the Iraq War vary, when taken together, the joint agreement that our willingness to serve our country was being used to conduct such unaccounted for and unjust harm to the Iraqi people defines our shared sense of betrayal.

A sentiment shared widely, as almost two-thirds of Iraq veterans believe the war was not worth fighting.

The signatories of this letter do not all share political or economic philosophies, but we are united in our astonishment at this war’s massive price tag. Invading Iraq cost the US $2 trillion directly. That’s nearly $9,000 for each taxpayer in the US. However, the Iraq War cannot be divorced from the Afghan War, the larger Global War on Terror or this century's militarism, which has seen Pentagon spending balloon from $331 billion in 2001 to $858 billion today. Including future veterans' care and interest payments, the long-term cost of these conflicts will total $8 trillion by 2050.

Dozens still perish every month in militant violence in Iraq in a seemingly unending war. VA hospitals in the US strain to keep up with a generation of shattered veterans. The war succeeded only in traumatizing millions; creating terror groups where there had been none; and instigating chaos and continual hostilities, while providing hundreds of billions of dollars to weapons manufacturers.

The Iraq War was based on lies that have brought unimaginable suffering to an entire nation and ongoing loss, grief and hardship to hundreds of thousands of American families. It was and is a great crime. And in our view, as men and women who participated in the war in one way or another, the greatest crime of all may be our nation’s inability to hold accountable those responsible for authorizing such atrocities and continuing to watch our government repeat its wars over and over again.

Repealing the AUMF recognizes the error of the war, but to acknowledge its true nature, we must go further. As veterans and former national security officials we call for criminal investigations of the authors of the Iraq War as the next steps in a national reckoning.

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Criminal Investigations Still Needed for Architects of US Invasion of Iraq (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 OP
Our Party leaders have no interest in doing such Kaleva Apr 2023 #1
I'm all for forgiveness, but first Justice. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #9
What are you implying? Kaleva Apr 2023 #35
It seems rather clear H2O Man Apr 2023 #38
But who was telling us to move on? Kaleva Apr 2023 #39
I agree that the invasion of Iraq should be investigated. But let's clear the trash, that is... usaf-vet Apr 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author usaf-vet Apr 2023 #43
In a perfect world, that would happen. It is a never ending battle to make the planet a better place everyonematters Apr 2023 #2
Yes. The World was watching, doesn't forget. Then came the shredded Iran deal. Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #5
DU tried to warn them. Millions took to the streets... Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #12
Common Dreams - the voice of Ralph Nader mzmolly Apr 2023 #3
As opposed to Steno Judy and The New York Times. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #14
" CommonDreams.org, Apr 12, 2023" mzmolly Apr 2023 #40
Corporate media were willing co-conspirators. So was the general public. Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #4
So, were you part of your so-called "general public" of "willing co-conspirators"? xocetaceans Apr 2023 #27
The Big Lie at Work Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #33
whole thing was a disinformation campaign by Dubya's administration, drummed up by Rumsfeld & Cheney onetexan Apr 2023 #57
Never forget... 2naSalit Apr 2023 #6
Truly sorry, 2naSalit. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #44
Another pair of... 2naSalit Apr 2023 #7
That's a good idea! Marthe48 Apr 2023 #13
Good point! 2naSalit Apr 2023 #15
Oh tmi! Marthe48 Apr 2023 #20
It's a thought. 2naSalit Apr 2023 #25
The Piss on War Criminals Graves Tour!?? Brilliant! Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #29
Kicking... nt Hotler Apr 2023 #8
"Money trumps peace." -- George w Bush, Feb14, 2007 Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #46
K & R for THIS malaise Apr 2023 #10
SECDEF Dick Cheney PRIVATIZED War in 1992. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #48
All of htem should be in prison malaise Apr 2023 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Apr 2023 #11
K & R +100 Duppers Apr 2023 #16
Remember Col. Ted Westhusing Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #50
That was a hell of a thread! Duppers Apr 2023 #53
Sickening ! Duppers Apr 2023 #62
Here's the link to that opinion piece.... xocetaceans Apr 2023 #17
Thank you! Goes back to Cheney's first boss, Poppy Bush. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #51
You're welcome. xocetaceans Apr 2023 #54
I will never let this go. GW Bush, Cheney, and others are WAR CRIMINALS Martin Eden Apr 2023 #18
Bet Texas Schoolbooks won't cover the PNAC chapter. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #52
These self serving greedy capitalist pigs always get away with it Cheezoholic Apr 2023 #19
It's the oil. They intend to monetize every drop. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #55
The Iraq war was premeditated mass murder sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #21
The Project for a New American Century Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #56
Haliburton* stock was looking very weak until Cheney got w to invade Iraq Botany Apr 2023 #22
Grrrrrrr! Meanwhile, his enablers investigated Hillary/Bengazi to no end and doing the same to KPN Apr 2023 #28
Cheney's Iraq War: No WMDs, no links to 9/11, it produced ISIS which caused one of the worst refugee Botany Apr 2023 #31
Horrific! That would instead be Cheney in a fair or ideal world. KPN Apr 2023 #34
And a % of the Fox News watching republicans still think that Saddam hid his WMDs. Botany Apr 2023 #36
So it was all worth it gratuitous Apr 2023 #37
Data show what happened. Kid Berwyn Apr 2023 #58
I won't ever forget hibbing Apr 2023 #23
"War Crimes are off the table" "We must look forward, not backward" NullTuples Apr 2023 #24
The crimes of tRump and syndicate are on the table now and no one important or sane is Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #45
"We tortured some folks, People did not know whether more attacks were imminent. Autumn Apr 2023 #59
And that wasn't GW Bush, either. NullTuples Apr 2023 #60
No. It was Barack Obama Autumn Apr 2023 #61
i would imagine any potential charges would long have since been nullfiied by the statue of Takket Apr 2023 #26
"This grim figure supports the age-old adage that only the dead have seen the end of war." calimary Apr 2023 #30
Yes Snackshack Apr 2023 #32
And I still want an accounting for what was done to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson DFW Apr 2023 #41
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2023 #47
After 2 deployments to Iraq, A dear friend ended up with a neurodegenerative disease caused tblue37 Apr 2023 #63

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
9. I'm all for forgiveness, but first Justice.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:42 AM
Apr 2023

Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11.

Weird how fast we were told to “move on” when it came to this Big Lie.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
35. What are you implying?
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:55 AM
Apr 2023

The Clinton's and Obama's are now good friends of Bush and I don't see Biden advocating any investigation

H2O Man

(79,056 posts)
38. It seems rather clear
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 12:29 PM
Apr 2023

what our friend is sying here. No need to read between the lines. There was an illegal and immoral war declared. Thousands of human beings died, and more suffered, as a result. There was no consequence for those responsible for lying our country into war.

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
39. But who was telling us to move on?
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 12:53 PM
Apr 2023

None of our Party leaders are doing anything about this

usaf-vet

(7,811 posts)
42. I agree that the invasion of Iraq should be investigated. But let's clear the trash, that is...
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 01:06 PM
Apr 2023

....actively trying to kill our democracy NOW!

Starting with the former treasonous cabal that occupied the seats of power.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #9)

everyonematters

(4,158 posts)
2. In a perfect world, that would happen. It is a never ending battle to make the planet a better place
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 08:52 AM
Apr 2023

. Maybe 50 years form now, our society will come to the realization that it wasn't just the biggest foreign policy blunder in our history; it was a monumental immoral decision.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
5. Yes. The World was watching, doesn't forget. Then came the shredded Iran deal.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:09 AM
Apr 2023

Do Americans really not understand how thst is all perceived in the 95% of the planet that is not USA!?

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
12. DU tried to warn them. Millions took to the streets...
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:44 AM
Apr 2023

…yet Congress gave Cheney and Bush authorization right after Sen. Paul Wellstone was killed in a plane crash.

mzmolly

(52,793 posts)
3. Common Dreams - the voice of Ralph Nader
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:04 AM
Apr 2023

who said it mattered not if Gore or Bush was elected? I'm not interested in what they have to say on the matter.

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
14. As opposed to Steno Judy and The New York Times.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:47 AM
Apr 2023

The letter’s signatories include many people who we once regularly quoted on DU.

And FTR: Common Cause does not publish Common Dreams.

mzmolly

(52,793 posts)
40. " CommonDreams.org, Apr 12, 2023"
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 12:56 PM
Apr 2023

I don’t disagree with the sentiments expressed in this case, however.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
4. Corporate media were willing co-conspirators. So was the general public.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:07 AM
Apr 2023

The Pentagon and the corporate media had groomed the victims for just that opportunity to commit the war crimes in the open, so they did. Biggest war crime was manufacturing public consent, despite the jaw dropping transparent lies, lies, lies. Remember Niger yellowcake?

Only thing yellow and caked was American common sense and logic, pissed on by military and media alike.

Not to mention since America is not a member of ICJ, no American can ever commit a war crime!

See how that works? And continues to work to this day…

xocetaceans

(4,442 posts)
27. So, were you part of your so-called "general public" of "willing co-conspirators"?
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:54 AM
Apr 2023

Can you further delineate your statement so as to make it clear who you wish people here to hate?

And "the victims"? Who were "the victims" who were "groomed" in your opinion? It's pretty unlikely that an invasion counts as merely "grooming". (ChatGPT would be envious of the logic in your sentence.) It's also pretty clear that the country of Iraq was primarily victimized along with anyone directly affected by the war.

The "biggest war crime was manufacturing public consent"? Some might say that the ordering of an unjustified war (the commanding of the actual set of attacks that constituted the invasion) would have been the " 'Biggest' war crime...." But why be hyperbolic?

In spite of all of that you've written, what are YOU doing to get the US to join the "ICJ" to stop those war crimes...? No...wait...the ICJ? ...the International Court of Justice? Clearly, here you really meant the ICC, not the ICJ.


Here is a description of the the International Court of Justice:


What is the International Court of Justice?

The Court is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations. It was established by the United Nations Charter, which was signed in 1945 in San Francisco (United States), and began work in 1946 in the Peace Palace, The Hague (Netherlands).

The Court, which is composed of 15 judges, has a twofold role: first, to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes between States submitted to it by them and, second, to give advisory opinions on legal matters referred to it by duly authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.

The Court's official languages are English and French.

https://www.icj-cij.org/frequently-asked-questions



Here is a description of the distinction that you were missing:


What differentiates the International Court of Justice from the International Criminal Court and the ad hoc international criminal tribunals?

The International Court of Justice has no jurisdiction to try individuals accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity. As it is not a criminal court, it does not have a prosecutor able to initiate proceedings.

This task is the preserve of national courts, the ad hoc criminal tribunals established by the United Nations (such as the International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals (IRMCT), mandated to take over residual functions from the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and from the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR)) or in co-operation with it (such as the Special Court for Sierra Leone and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon), and also of the International Criminal Court, set up under the Rome Statute.

https://www.icj-cij.org/frequently-asked-questions



And here is a long, more extensive discussion of what the International Criminal Court does:


The Role of the International Criminal Court
The ICC was created to bring justice to the world’s worst war criminals, but debate over the court still rages.

Written By
Claire Klobucista

Updated
Last updated March 28, 2022 2:00 pm (EST)


Summary

  • The ICC seeks to investigate and prosecute those responsible for grave offenses such as genocide and war crimes.

  • Dozens of countries are not ICC members, including China, India, Russia, and the United States.

  • The court has angered nonmembers by launching probes into possible war crimes in Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories, and Ukraine.


Introduction

The International Criminal Court (ICC), established in 2002, seeks to hold to account those guilty of some of the world’s worst crimes. Champions of the court say it deters would-be war criminals, bolsters the rule of law, and offers justice to victims of atrocities. But, since its inception, the court has faced considerable setbacks. It has been unable to gain the support of major powers, including the United States, China, and Russia, who say it undermines national sovereignty. Two countries have withdrawn from the court, and many African governments complain that the court has singled out Africa. U.S. opposition to the ICC hardened under President Donald Trump, and although the Joe Biden administration has taken a more conciliatory approach, tensions remain.

...

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/role-international-criminal-court



But you closed well: "See how that works?"

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
33. The Big Lie at Work
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:42 AM
Apr 2023
A Look Back at How Fear and False Beliefs Bolstered U.S. Public Support for War in Iraq

BY CARROLL DOHERTY AND JOCELYN KILEY
Pew Research Center, MARCH 14, 2023

Excerpt…

Yet the military campaign that began so auspiciously ended up deeply dividing Americans and alienating key U.S. allies. As Americans looked back on the war four years ago, 62% said it was not worth fighting. Majorities of military veterans, including those who served in Iraq or Afghanistan, came to the same conclusion.

Snip…

As numerous investigations by independent and governmental commissions subsequently found, there was no factual basis for either of these assertions. Two decades later, debate continues about whether the administration was the victim of flawed intelligence, or whether Bush and his senior advisers deliberately misled the public about its WMD capabilities, in particular.

In the months leading up to the war, sizable majorities of Americans believed that Iraq either possessed WMD or was close to obtaining them, that Iraq was closely tied to terrorism – and even that Hussein himself had a role in the 9/11 attacks. Two decades after the war began, a review of Pew Research Center surveys on the war in Iraq shows that support for U.S. military action was built, at least in part, on a foundation of falsehoods.

Snip…

At that point, more than a year before the United States went to war, Americans overwhelmingly embraced several possible rationales for military action: 83% said that if the U.S. learned that Iraq had aided the 9/11 terrorists, that would be a “very important reason” to use military force in Iraq; nearly as many said the same if it was shown that Iraq was developing WMD (77%) or harboring other terrorists (75%).

Over the next several months, Bush and other senior officials claimed with varying degrees of certainty that there was evidence justifying the use of U.S. military force. In a speech to a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in August 2002, former Vice President Dick Cheney was unequivocal in asserting: “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”

Continues…

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/03/14/a-look-back-at-how-fear-and-false-beliefs-bolstered-u-s-public-support-for-war-in-iraq/

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
57. whole thing was a disinformation campaign by Dubya's administration, drummed up by Rumsfeld & Cheney
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 06:49 PM
Apr 2023

they were far too eager to beat the drums of war to whip up fear among the gullible American public and sway public opinion in their favor. It was all lies to favor the GOP's rich donors and lobbyists.

2naSalit

(102,804 posts)
6. Never forget...
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:17 AM
Apr 2023

I sure as hell haven't. They fucked up the last 20 years of my career life in the most spectacular fashion and rendered me impoverished for the rest of my life by their fucking actions... I'm one out of millions whose lives were royally fucked within the first year of these bastards' regime.

I don't care if they are dead before the process is complete, they're treachery HAS to be properly recorded and addressed.

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
44. Truly sorry, 2naSalit.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 01:53 PM
Apr 2023

Truly crazy how much Bush & Cheney hurt You, the United States, Iraq, the people of the planet…

The people of South Africa had a “Truth & Reconciliation Commission” that investigated the harm done under Apartheid. They didn’t take, “No comment” or “I can’t remember” or “Let’s forget and move on” for final answers. They left no stone unturned, every crime reported was run down and the perpetrators faced the victims. In exchange for the truth, the people gave the bastards forgiveness. But the historical record has the names, events, dates, etc. recorded for history. And South Africa remains a democracy.

2naSalit

(102,804 posts)
7. Another pair of...
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:20 AM
Apr 2023

Graves I'll be looking to piss on.

I think I should start a touring company that takes people around to the graves of traitors and war criminals to piss on. Might be pretty lucrative.

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
13. That's a good idea!
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:45 AM
Apr 2023

I'd go along. Maybe you could have symbolic bottles of piss to pour. I guess I could spit on those graves.

2naSalit

(102,804 posts)
15. Good point!
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:53 AM
Apr 2023

Could get messy. Of course this brings me back to that indelible memory of the chinese tour bus full of tourists pulled into a rest stop with vault 2 toilets. The driver parked and handed out rolls of toilet paper while the tourists squatted around the outside of the outhouses and did their business right there... I have many horror stories.


Yeah, some kind of sanitary system would have to be worked out.

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
46. "Money trumps peace." -- George w Bush, Feb14, 2007
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 02:41 PM
Apr 2023

And then he laughs.

The very words of George W Bush on Feb. 14, 2007, uttered at a press conference in which not a single of the callow, cowed press corpse saw fit to ask a follow-up.



I remember Cindy Sheehan tried to bring it to our nation's attention on CommonDreams.

Here’s the link via Internet Archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120831114222/https://www.commondreams.org/views07/0215-29.htm

malaise

(296,118 posts)
10. K & R for THIS
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:43 AM
Apr 2023

Repealing the AUMF recognizes the error of the war, but to acknowledge its true nature, we must go further.

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
48. SECDEF Dick Cheney PRIVATIZED War in 1992.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 05:31 PM
Apr 2023

Cheney’s Multi-Million Dollar Revolving Door

As Bush Sr.’s secretary of defense, Dick Cheney steered millions of dollars in government business to a private military contractor — whose parent company just happened to give him a high-paying job after he left the government.


by Robert Bryce
Mother Jones / AUGUST 2, 2000

Ever since George W. Bush named him as a running mate, Dick Cheney has been all smiles. And why not? Cheney has led a charmed life. His political career included stints in the White House, Congress and the Defense Department. Then he went into the private sector and got rich.

But just how Cheney got rich deserves some scrutiny. As secretary of defense, Cheney oversaw one of the largest privatization efforts in the history of the Pentagon, steering millions of military dollars to civilian contractors. Two and a half years after Cheney left his federal job, he began cashing in on the very contracts that he helped initiate.

In 1992, the Pentagon, then under Cheney’s direction, paid Texas-based Brown & Root Services $3.9 million to produce a classified report detailing how private companies — like itself — could help provide logistics for American troops in potential war zones around the world. BRS specializes in such work; from 1962 to 1972, for instance, the company worked in the former South Vietnam building roads, landing strips, harbors, and military bases. Later in 1992, the Pentagon gave the company an additional $5 million to update its report. That same year, BRS won a massive, five-year logistics contract from the US Army Corps of Engineers to work alongside American GIs in places like Zaire, Haiti, Somalia, Kosovo, the Balkans, and Saudi Arabia.

After Bill Clinton’s election cost Cheney his government job, he wound up in 1995 as CEO of Halliburton Company, the Dallas-based oil services giant — which just happens to own Brown & Root Services. Since then, Cheney has collected more than $10 million in salary and stock payments from the company. In addition, he is currently the company’s largest individual shareholder, holding stock and options worth another $40 million. Those holdings have undoubtedly been made more valuable by the ever-more lucrative contracts BRS continues to score with the Pentagon.

Between 1992 and 1999, the Pentagon paid BRS more than $1.2 billion for its work in trouble spots around the globe. In May of 1999, the US Army Corps of Engineers re-enlisted the company’s help in the Balkans, giving it a new five-year contract worth $731 million.

To critics, this all adds up to classic revolving-door politics: Cheney’s work for Halliburton, they say, has allowed him to improperly profit off of actions he took and contacts he made while in government.

Continues…

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/08/cheneys-multi-million-dollar-revolving-door/



The Mad Tea Party

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Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
50. Remember Col. Ted Westhusing
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 05:44 PM
Apr 2023

Trillions Lost is one thing. Millions of human beings, including more than 4,400 US servicemen and women, is another. All thanks to a REAL stolen election where SCOTUS decided 5-4.



Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x126094

OP from 2007. Busted links are on Internet Archive Waybac.

https://archive.org/

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
53. That was a hell of a thread!
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 03:21 AM
Apr 2023
Thank you!!

Copied & bookmarked.

It's unbelievable the number of people who don't know the truth, who still believe the lies behind that damn war.

Have talked to old friends whom I've not spoken to in decades and when I bring up these things, they're lost in the lies and in their own despicable apathy.
Respect gone for such self-centered narcissists.


Thank you again!

xocetaceans

(4,442 posts)
17. Here's the link to that opinion piece....
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:55 AM
Apr 2023
Criminal Investigations Still Needed for Architects of US Invasion of Iraq
Repealing the AUMF recognizes the error of the Iraq War that began in 2003, but to acknowledge its true nature, we must go further.

By Dennis Fritz | Matthew Hoh | Lawrence Wilkerson | Coleen Rowley | Karen Kwiatkowski | Gregory Daddis |
Apr 12, 2023


The U.S. Senate repealing the 2002 Authorization for Military Force in Iraq was necessary and just. Still, that action should be viewed only as a first step in a national process of reckoning with and accounting for the consequences of the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Often identified as the worst foreign policy decision in United States history, the Iraq War was catastrophic for millions of Americans and Iraqis and cataclysmic for Iraqi society, regional stability and international law. The invasion and occupation are correctly acknowledged as a crime: a war commissioned on lies and a violation of the Nuremberg Principles. As men and women in military or federal government service at the time of the invasion, we’re compelled to remind others of the devastation this war has wrought to ensure that the US does not re-commit this sin.

The costs of the Iraq War are staggering. As veterans we know this all too well. Over 4,500 US servicemembers were killed and more than 30,000 wounded. At least 3,600 contractors lost their lives, all men and women who would have been wearing military uniforms in previous wars. Hundreds of thousands of veterans returned from Iraq and Afghanistan (for those who fought the war it is difficult to untie the two, as so many of us participated in both) physically and mentally destroyed. Suicide, as in all wars, looms large. Limited data by the Veterans Administration states that the suicide rates for Iraq veterans are four to 10 times higher than that of their civilian peers. This grim figure supports the age-old adage that only the dead have seen the end of war.

In the U.S., many Iraq veterans will tell you that they know more dead from suicide now than from combat.

...

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/iraq-invasion-war-crime

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
51. Thank you! Goes back to Cheney's first boss, Poppy Bush.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 06:09 PM
Apr 2023

Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.



Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein:

The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 82
Edited by Joyce Battle
February 25, 2003

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Martin Eden

(15,629 posts)
18. I will never let this go. GW Bush, Cheney, and others are WAR CRIMINALS
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 09:55 AM
Apr 2023

Upwards of a million dead in Iraq, with no end in sight for the ongoing carnage.

Every time I see a commercial about wounded warriors I curse the war criminals for sending our soldiers to kill, die, and/or come home wounded in mind & body for a pack of lies and the greed & ambition of Big Oil and neocons deluded with their Project for a New American Century.

Cheezoholic

(3,719 posts)
19. These self serving greedy capitalist pigs always get away with it
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:00 AM
Apr 2023

until they have one or both feet in the grave so they can spend most of their life enjoying the spoils and passing the fortune and hidden burden of death to their sweet and innocent offspring and so on and so on. They could care less if justice is finally served when they're 95 with a diaper on. Its no coincidence you see (even though few) more 80 year old super wealthy crooks in handcuffs than 40 year old ones.

If I can con my way into 100 million in the next year no matter the human cost and get prosecuted 35 years from now when Im 95 Ill plead guilty. Done had my selfish fun.

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
55. It's the oil. They intend to monetize every drop.
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 06:35 PM
Apr 2023

One of the things WikiLeaks revealed…

WikiLeaks Documents Show NSA Spied on World Leaders on Behalf of Big Oil

John Vibes, ActivistPost
FEBRUARY 23, 2016

According to documents published by WikiLeaks this week, the NSA spied on multiple world leaders on behalf of oil companies. The documents revealed that the NSA spied on the private meetings of world leaders such as UN chief Ban Ki-moon, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and other European politicians.

The discussion between Ban Ki-moon and Merkel was involving environmental pollution and the impact that fossil fuels had on the environment, and according to the WikiLeaks release, the NSA was listening in for the purpose of collecting information for oil companies.

“Today we showed that UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s private meetings over how to save the planet from climate change were bugged by a country intent on protecting its largest oil companies,” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said in a statement.

Continues…

https://www.activistpost.com/2016/02/wikileaks-documents-show-nsa-spied-on-world-leaders-on-behalf-of-big-oil.html

sanatanadharma

(4,089 posts)
21. The Iraq war was premeditated mass murder
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:11 AM
Apr 2023

PNAC planned the invasion years before baby Bush was elected.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
22. Haliburton* stock was looking very weak until Cheney got w to invade Iraq
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:33 AM
Apr 2023

Cheney became a billionaire (I think) from that war his portfolio made something like 3,800%
returns after we started that unneeded war in Iraq.



* Haliburton/KBR got God only knows how much in cost plus no bid contracts from the Iraq War
and under HW Cheney got the Pentagon to outsource jobs that the military used to do themselves.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
28. Grrrrrrr! Meanwhile, his enablers investigated Hillary/Bengazi to no end and doing the same to
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:17 AM
Apr 2023

Bidens, Congressional Dems, and State/Municipal "trouble-makers". The old projection-distraction-diversion trick.

Turning the other cheek on the Iraq invasion was like giving Repuq arrogance a massive series of steroid shots. Reagan's Iran deals and Bush-Gore paved the way, but pale in comparison.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
31. Cheney's Iraq War: No WMDs, no links to 9/11, it produced ISIS which caused one of the worst refugee
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:33 AM
Apr 2023

... crisis in history*, let bin Laden walk away, millions and millions of dead, wounded, orphans, and homeless,
made Dick Cheney a billionaire, and provided God only knows how much money for right wing causes ..... for
the 1st 6 months we pumped Iraqi oil non stop and never metered it.


*

Botany

(77,324 posts)
36. And a % of the Fox News watching republicans still think that Saddam hid his WMDs.
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 12:01 PM
Apr 2023

France tried to warn us about "the blow back" from invading Iraq would be big but instead of
listening to the French instead the GOP, Rush, and Fox pushed calling French Fries Freedom
Fries.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
37. So it was all worth it
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 12:26 PM
Apr 2023

Dick Cheney's pension and deferred compensation were saved! Too bad for all the rest of you, but Unca Dick gots to get paid.

Kid Berwyn

(24,399 posts)
58. Data show what happened.
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 08:05 PM
Apr 2023
Cheney’s Multi-Million Dollar Revolving Door

As Bush Sr.’s secretary of defense, Dick Cheney steered millions of dollars in government business to a private military contractor — whose parent company just happened to give him a high-paying job after he left the government.


by Robert Bryce
Mother Jones / AUGUST 2, 2000

Ever since George W. Bush named him as a running mate, Dick Cheney has been all smiles. And why not? Cheney has led a charmed life. His political career included stints in the White House, Congress and the Defense Department. Then he went into the private sector and got rich.

But just how Cheney got rich deserves some scrutiny. As secretary of defense, Cheney oversaw one of the largest privatization efforts in the history of the Pentagon, steering millions of military dollars to civilian contractors. Two and a half years after Cheney left his federal job, he began cashing in on the very contracts that he helped initiate.

In 1992, the Pentagon, then under Cheney’s direction, paid Texas-based Brown & Root Services $3.9 million to produce a classified report detailing how private companies — like itself — could help provide logistics for American troops in potential war zones around the world. BRS specializes in such work; from 1962 to 1972, for instance, the company worked in the former South Vietnam building roads, landing strips, harbors, and military bases. Later in 1992, the Pentagon gave the company an additional $5 million to update its report. That same year, BRS won a massive, five-year logistics contract from the US Army Corps of Engineers to work alongside American GIs in places like Zaire, Haiti, Somalia, Kosovo, the Balkans, and Saudi Arabia.

After Bill Clinton’s election cost Cheney his government job, he wound up in 1995 as CEO of Halliburton Company, the Dallas-based oil services giant — which just happens to own Brown & Root Services. Since then, Cheney has collected more than $10 million in salary and stock payments from the company. In addition, he is currently the company’s largest individual shareholder, holding stock and options worth another $40 million. Those holdings have undoubtedly been made more valuable by the ever-more lucrative contracts BRS continues to score with the Pentagon.

Between 1992 and 1999, the Pentagon paid BRS more than $1.2 billion for its work in trouble spots around the globe. In May of 1999, the US Army Corps of Engineers re-enlisted the company’s help in the Balkans, giving it a new five-year contract worth $731 million.

To critics, this all adds up to classic revolving-door politics: Cheney’s work for Halliburton, they say, has allowed him to improperly profit off of actions he took and contacts he made while in government.

Continues…

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2000/08/cheneys-multi-million-dollar-revolving-door/



“Money trumps peace.”

hibbing

(10,598 posts)
23. I won't ever forget
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:33 AM
Apr 2023

The smug assholes, all of them. EVERYONE on here knew they were lying, but with rah rah from the "liberal" media, and barely any coverage of the thousands protesting, the Big Lie was swallowed.

Peace

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
24. "War Crimes are off the table" "We must look forward, not backward"
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:37 AM
Apr 2023

This was the official Democratic Party policy when they took power in 2008. I will forever think and feel it was a mistake that has haunted us ever since. And let's not forget Guantanamo Bay & torture. For years I consoled myself with the thought that maybe party leaders knew things we didn't and were acting on our best interest. Then Trump happened, and his crimes began to run out the clock and be nonpunishable, too.

And after all that...I would and will still vote Democratic Party, every time.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
45. The crimes of tRump and syndicate are on the table now and no one important or sane is
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 02:08 PM
Apr 2023

saying anything like that now.

More like if we don’t look backward now to the crimes of that administration there will be no forward.

P.s….Fox and the Insane Crowd don’t count as representative of any opinion.

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
59. "We tortured some folks, People did not know whether more attacks were imminent.
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 08:32 PM
Apr 2023

And there was enormous pressure on our law enforcement and our national security teams to try to deal with this. It’s important for us not to feel too sanctimonious in retrospect about the tough job that those folks had. A lot of those folks were working hard under enormous pressure and are real patriots,”





Autumn

(48,962 posts)
61. No. It was Barack Obama
Sun Apr 16, 2023, 08:52 PM
Apr 2023

In 2009 Obama briefly entertained but then dismissed Sen. Patrick Leahy’s idea for a bipartisan commission to examine the interrogation practices.

This is why I firmly believe Trump will not be held accountable for the things he has done.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
26. i would imagine any potential charges would long have since been nullfiied by the statue of
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 10:43 AM
Apr 2023

limitations.

unfortunately, they got away with everything

calimary

(90,039 posts)
30. "This grim figure supports the age-old adage that only the dead have seen the end of war."
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:33 AM
Apr 2023

WHOA!

That’s for sure.

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
32. Yes
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 11:40 AM
Apr 2023

There does need to be. After 100's of soldier had been killed in Iraq seeing bush jr make that video of him joking around in the White House looking for WMD was disgusting.

There is a lot that still needs to be investigated from the Bush Jr, Cheney era...of course before this can happen the GOP will try to write new legislation that gives them immunity from everything.

The GOP is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party. The last 23 yrs they have allowed one disaster after another to happen to this country. 9/11, 2 wars, financial collapse, a pandemic that has killed over 1.1 million Americans, torture of humans, attacked the capital, stole national secrets.

How the GOP has been able to dodge accountability with this level of criminal activity does not shine a very favorable light on our justice system and those tasked with enforcing it.

DFW

(60,189 posts)
41. And I still want an accounting for what was done to Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson
Thu Apr 13, 2023, 01:03 PM
Apr 2023

And while we're at it, Cheney needs to come clean about what REALLY happened with the $9 billion in US cash that vanished into thin air in the Iraqi desert.

As for Halliburton, well, there isn't much guesswork involved in why they moved their world headquarters from Texas to Dubai after Cheney left office. Cheney's "blind trust" of his $1 stock options in Halliburton (200,000 options at $1 each) at $19 a share, that jumped to $87 a share after the Iraq invasion and all the no-bid government contracts. $87-$19-$1 = $67 gain times 200,000, or a gain of $13,400,000 and that's just on that ONE transaction.

At least Cheney changed the registration on his house on the Island of Kish. It is no longer in his name, but Halliburton's.

tblue37

(68,436 posts)
63. After 2 deployments to Iraq, A dear friend ended up with a neurodegenerative disease caused
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 01:49 AM
Apr 2023

by toxic exposure while there. He died a few years ago, after years of physical debilitation.

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