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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBillionaire Harlan Crow Bought Property From Clarence Thomas. The Justice Didn't Disclose the Deal.
In 2014, one of Texas billionaire Harlan Crows companies purchased a string of properties on a quiet residential street in Savannah, Georgia. It wasnt a marquee acquisition for the real estate magnate, just an old single-story home and two vacant lots down the road. What made it noteworthy were the people on the other side of the deal: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and his relatives.
The transaction marks the first known instance of money flowing from the Republican megadonor to the Supreme Court justice. The Crow company bought the properties for $133,363 from three co-owners Thomas, his mother and the family of Thomas late brother, according to a state tax document and a deed dated Oct. 15, 2014, filed at the Chatham County courthouse.
The purchase put Crow in an unusual position: He now owned the house where the justices elderly mother was living. Soon after the sale was completed, contractors began work on tens of thousands of dollars of improvements on the two-bedroom, one-bathroom home, which looks out onto a patch of orange trees. The renovations included a carport, a repaired roof and a new fence and gates, according to city permit records and blueprints.
A federal disclosure law passed after Watergate requires justices and other officials to disclose the details of most real estate sales over $1,000. Thomas never disclosed his sale of the Savannah properties. That appears to be a violation of the law, four ethics law experts told ProPublica.
https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-harlan-crow-real-estate-scotus
Lovie777
(12,326 posts)he and his f up wife, I can't stand them.
lastlib
(23,284 posts)Maybe we should at least TRY to impeach if he won't go. I'm infinitely skeptical that it would succeed, but hell, try it anyway.
Hell, the repugs tried to impeach William Douglas for a heckuva lot less.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)kimbutgar
(21,187 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 13, 2023, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)
He is so corrupt! I cant wait to hear his excuses for not reporting this transaction.
Seems like Mr. Crow owns his own supreme court justice slave Clarence Thomas.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)I know it was a typo (or assume so) but it really strikes to the heart of the matter: our highest court in the land is now no more reputable than some guy who calls himself the Discount Mattress King or that guy who used to give away a free bicycle with every car stereo installed.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)Lock him up.
orleans
(34,073 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)Is anyone looking into the financials of the other Justices?
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)That is insane that it went on for so long. It was all there for anyone who was paying attention.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)credit card debt and his house? He owes somebody.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Is it enough to remove him as a Justice? No, of course not - there's only one way to do that, right? Or is there?
Does anyone ever wonder why ethics violations aren't enough to essentially fire someone from their government job once they reach a high enough level? It's enough at any lower level, but above a very high threshold those rules somehow no longer apply.
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)you really are ABOVE the law or ethics violations and there will always be some who will take advantage of that.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)PatSeg
(47,586 posts)or at least a flaw that severely retards progress. We clearly are still a work in progress.
Diraven
(528 posts)And the Republicans in Congress would never do that.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)However, the statute of limitations is set at 5 years and he got away with it. The more recent luxury trips are within the window, however. It is punishable by up to year in the joint. Only the Attorney General of the US can charge him. Good luck there. They can't even charge Trump for sedition., which was in plain sight of millions. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The fascists have been buying judges and other high officials for years. If a poorly funded group like Pro Publica can get this kind of information imagine what the billionaires can come up with for leverage. I have been convinced for years that there is a whole lot of bribery and extortion going on.
I remember when David Koch was flying his pet Supremes to his mountain retreat in Colorado. I just figured that they were there just to get their "brown paper bags."
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)"Let me remodel your Mom's place, I wuv you guys".
"Gee thanks, personal friend who is a major political and thinktank donor."
crickets
(25,983 posts)Just wow.
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TygrBright
(20,763 posts)Gregory Peccary
(490 posts)If this were Kegan though she'd be drawn and quartered.
LiberalFighter
(51,083 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)AND, separately, that he didn't do it himself.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)Celerity
(43,497 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)The end is nigh!
Marius25
(3,213 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)That is all 😀😀
Marius25
(3,213 posts)lees1975
(3,879 posts)Then make a deal. He quits.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)soldierant
(6,921 posts)has been at the federal level... but might there be some other jurisdictin which might have a case?
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)if Roberts is incapable of holding the court to any sort of ethics rules
Lonestarblue
(10,063 posts)The only other possibilities I see are major public demands for his resignation that he cant ignore and investigation/prosecution by the DOJ. Given everything else going on, is that likely to happen. I certainly dont know all the laws he might have broken.
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)and the right knows if they ignore, it will blow over. They have gotten away with so much worse and there's so much endless scandal coming out in the news, this is more noise.
Captain Zero
(6,823 posts)From Trump.
Everything would have been fine.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)shocked i say.
llashram
(6,265 posts)be removed from the court with all these shady deals and an election-denying wife. They do live in the same house and we all know these facts as written above and the wife is true.
housecat
(3,121 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,456 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,280 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)Hes never going to be impeached. Why do we have these statutes if they cant be enforced?
ShazzieB
(16,506 posts)The problem, as Marius25 noted, is that Dems would have to have control of the House and a 2/3 majority of the Senate to accomplish it.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)Not a political solution such as impeachment.
Good old fashioned grand jury.
ShazzieB
(16,506 posts)Getting his ass off the court would be fantastic, regardless of anything else.
Paladin
(28,272 posts)The "Quid" was Crow's purchase of the Thomas properties. NOW: What's the "Quo" that Clarence Thomas delivered to Crow, in return? It's bound to come out...
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)The Thomas family got 130K. Were going to have a hard time convincing anyone thats not a fair transaction. To be honest, I would think the childhood home of a SC Justice might be worth a bit more and maybe Old Clarence isnt the best negotiator and was outclassed by the real estate mogul.
LiberalFighter
(51,083 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,083 posts)Make sure people ask the question. How can a Supreme Court justice rule on cases if they don't follow the law or rules?
Mysterian
(4,591 posts)Will Corrupt Clarence plead ignorance of the law once again?
Bristlecone
(10,133 posts)The corruption in this country is sickening.
Kali
(55,019 posts)doesn't seem like much of a bribe. fixed up the property for "Mom" - is there more to it? the vacations seem like a much stronger case to me.
peppertree
(21,664 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)And obviously the house where his mother lived could be considered a "fixer upper." And "fixed up" it was. How nice for his mom, assuming she continued to live there at a low rent.
Kali
(55,019 posts)I suppose prices could have been lower, no idea but seemed low to me
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Likely the prices were lower, at least to some extent. Housing costs have risen a lot in recent years, but I guess a lot depends on "the neighborhood" how much they could have risen in that time period. The price itself could have been fair, but the way it was all handled is at least suspicious if not illegal.
Kali
(55,019 posts)but to be fair that happens all the time with parents and kids. it just didn't seem like enough money to be a decent bribe...then again ol' Clar isn't the brightest bulb so maybe he got ripped off on top of being compromised.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)My guess is there never was any explicit bribe in return for a specific judicial outcome. The money involved is peanuts for a billionaire, probably it was more of a "never forget who your friends are" gesture from him to Thomas. I'm sure repeated "acts of kindness" did the trick adequately with Thomas, especially with vacations in the hundreds of thousands thrown in. When Supreme Court Justices are on the market, I'm sure the cost to lease one isn't exorbitant for someone with billions.
kskiska
(27,045 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)calimary
(81,458 posts)I suspect he doesnt think hes done anything wrong.
Why WOULDNT a billionaire friend of mine just pick up the tab for me/shower me with gift vacations (gift? Or GRIFT?) and other freebies and un-earned runs and buy my mom a nice house?
lees1975
(3,879 posts)At the very least, it should motivate enough voters to get control of Congress back. And perhaps, though not likely, to force his resignation from the court.
But what I don't get is that if this is truly against the law, shouldn't DOJ, or even a local DA, be able to convene a grand jury and prosecute through the courts?
Hekate
(90,788 posts)Or as I learned from practically Day One at DU some 22 years ago: IOKIYAR
Its okay if you are a Republican
Warpy
(111,338 posts)and the IRS has never been particularly impressed with either pomp or titles when it comes to paying taxes.
It can't come soon enough.
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)Have anything to do with taxes. Why would the IRS get involved?
Warpy
(111,338 posts)The IRS takes a very dim view of it and piles penalties on top of principal and generous interest.
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)There may not even be income in this one depending on Thomas' basis in the property.
This involves undisclosed financial reporting by judges and federal officials. It has nothing to do with taxes, it's about public disclosure.
Warpy
(111,338 posts)They sure as hell do.
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)Gifts are not taxable income for the recipient. They may or may not be taxable for the giver, depending on certain individual and lifetime thresholds.
Income from the sale of a property may or may not be taxable, depending on the basis you have in the property and other details. But Thomas is not being accused nor is there any evidence to suggest he did not pay any taxes he might have owed on the sale of this property. He is being accused of not listing the transaction on public official disclosure forms.
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Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)I hope I'm wrong.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,043 posts)to fly us around the world
Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)I don't have any knowledge of that specific real estate market. But a home and three lots for under 200K doesn't seem like it would be high in many places.
BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,043 posts)Zeitghost
(3,868 posts)The other purchase seems comparable. But his purchasing other homes on the block makes it seem like he may have had a legitimate interest in the area for investment.
tanyev
(42,610 posts)I should give them a call about my 1900 sq ft 20 year old house. It could use some freshening. Im even located in North Texas so they wouldnt have to send a crew all the way to Georgia!
Vogon_Glory
(9,128 posts)Just a reminder for Rethugly trying to explain away Justice Thomas actions.
crickets
(25,983 posts)spanone
(135,871 posts)Abe Fortas
Ethics scandal and resignation[edit]
Wolfson was under investigation for securities violations at the time, and it was alleged that he expected that his arrangement with Fortas would help him stave off criminal charges or help him secure a presidential pardon. He asked Fortas to help him secure a pardon from Johnson, which Fortas claimed that he did not do. Fortas recused himself from Wolfson's case when it came before the Court.[3]
In May 1969, Life magazine chronicled Fortas's tangled relations with Wolfson. The revelation engendered calls for Fortas to be impeached, and motivated Richard Nixon, who knew that Fortas's resignation would enable the appointment of a more conservative Justice, ordered the Justice Department to investigate Fortas. Nixon was unsure if an investigation or prosecution was legal, but was convinced by then-Assistant Attorney General and future Chief Justice William Rehnquist that it would be.[24][44] Chief Justice Earl Warren (who, like the other Justices, was unaware of Nixon's actions) urged Fortas to resign to protect the reputation of the Court and avoid impeachment proceedings, as did Justice Hugo Black. However, when Fortas said it would "kill" his wife, Black changed his mind, realized that Nixon wanted Fortas off the Court for political reasons, and urged Fortas not to resign.[41][24][44] Nonetheless, Fortas ultimately decided resignation would be best for him and for his wife's legal career after Attorney General John N. Mitchell threatened to prosecute him, and potentially investigate his wife for tax evasion.[24][44] On the subject of his resignation, William J. Brennan later said, "We were just stunned." Fortas later said he "resigned to save Douglas," another justice who was being investigated for a similar scandal at the same time.[3] Fortas resigned from the Court on May 14, 1969.[1] When the Justice Department heard the news, the Attorney General's office celebrated, and Nixon called to congratulate them.[24][44]
In 1970, Louis Wolfson surreptitiously taped a private telephone call with Fortas. The transcript of this call was disclosed by Wolfson's lawyer, Bernard Fensterwald, to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in 1977. The Washington Post subsequently published several excerpts from the transcript, including language suggesting that Fortas might indeed have spoken with President Johnson about a pardon for Wolfson, but there is no evidence that it was a quid pro quo rather than a voluntary intervention for a friend. Wolfson was convicted of violating federal securities laws later that year and spent time in prison.[45]
Fortas's seat on the Supreme Court was vacant until June 1970, when Harry Blackmun was sworn into office.[1] This was Nixon's third attempt to fill the vacancy. His earlier failed nominations were of Clement Haynsworth in September 1969 and G. Harrold Carswell in February 1970.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Fortas
republianmushroom
(13,677 posts)Don't you folks get it. I'm above this petty crap.
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)It's time for the DOJ to take a close look at this guy. As corrupt as he obviously is, being on the USSC doesn't mean he hasn't gone beyond being unethical. There are likely crimes he needs to be prosecuted for, since he can't be impeached & removed at this point in time.
FakeNoose
(32,745 posts)Now they're going to two years in a row - Scoundrels of the Year!
Blue Owl
(50,491 posts)proud patriot
(100,715 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Looks like Thomas is indicting his buddies/colleagues unwittingly.
Thomas said: Early in my tenure at the court, I sought guidance from my colleagues and others in the judiciary, and was advised that this sort of personal hospitality from close personal friends, who did not have business before the court, was not reportable.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/apr/07/clarence-thomas-statement-undisclosed-gifts-supreme-court