Clarence Thomas' mom definitely still lives in the house Harlan Crow bought.

[kpete]

NEWS: A little scoop building off of @propublica’s great reporting: @Slate can confirm Clarence Thomas’ mom definitely still lives in the house Harlan Crow bought. At least as of 2 weeks ago when @byjoelanderson interviewed her there for Slow Burn season 8
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/clarence-thomas-mom-billionaire-house.html

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[Sneederbunk]

1. Obviously it's the mother's brains behind this scheme.

[NJCher]

28. bar none

this is the funniest post on this thread.

I have these visual images of scheming mama, sitting in her rocking chair on the porch, thinking up more assignations for Clarence.

[Sneederbunk]

35. Don't think Clarence wouldnt throw Momma from the train or

under the bus.

[Ilsa]

2. I wonder if she lives there rent free? nt

[Indykatie]

4. I'd Bet She's Been Living Rent Free

If that turns out to be true I don't see how Thomas survives this. Crow's explanation about a future museum don't pass the smell test. He even added a car port to the house for her.

[Irish_Dem]

7. The billionaire probably writes it off as a business expense.

[NJCher]

27. I think we're going to know

Just heard on Lawrence that Sheldon Whitehouse is asking attorney general to investigate.

This will be interesting.
Whatcha' want to bet there is more, way more.

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oh excuse me, I just must: Sheldon

[Irish_Dem]

29. Of course there is more.

Much more.

Yes SW is such a cutie.

[NJCher]

30. all the schemes that come out

will have been dreamt up by Mama Thomas.
See post #1 and my response.

Can't stop laughing at the thought.

[Irish_Dem]

32. I thought you meant Ginni. I think she is the brains of the operation.

LOL that is funny about Mama.

As the kids say, Thomas is so basic.

[SouthernDem4ever]

33. Trump would.

[Irish_Dem]

34. Yep.

[quakerboy]

37. What exactly would stop him from "surviving" this?

As far as Im aware, the only way to remove him from the SC is Impeachment. I dont see a republican majority house passing impeachment. And even assuming they lose the house next election and the new house passes it to the senate, It would still take 2/3 of the senate. Even if Democrats shot the moon and won every single race, taking seats in places like Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and Wyoming, we still wouldn't have 2/3 of the senate.

[CanonRay]

3. The most corrupt SCOTUS in history

[area51]

36. +1 n/t

[Cha]

5. Thomas & Ginni are sneakky

Fascist nazi loving Rabid Rats.

[mopinko]

6. right out in the open, too.

too lazy to stand up a shell? or just so sure there would be no consequences?

[Irish_Dem]

8. It is from the Trump handbook, commit the crime in public.

Don't hide it at all. People assume it must be legal that way.

[mopinko]

9. being in your face is half the fun, i guess.

[Irish_Dem]

10. Yes that is part of it, exactly.

Getting away with the crime, and making everyone else look like fools.

Flaunting their power.

[mopinko]

14. i made this comment on twitter

in a david cay johnston thread and he liked it!

[Irish_Dem]

18. Wow, that is really cool.

I love the idea that we bounce ideas around here on DU and then float them out across the ethers.
Being grabbed by people of import or those who need the wisdom.

Ya did good Mopinko!

[mopinko]

22. that's the thing about twitter.

getting to ‘talk’ to so many kinds of ppl. getting to tell ted cruz that he’s shit. getting to tell paul vallas that we all know what a magat he is.
and every once in a while, saying something that gets attention from ppl you respect.

i hope it gets straightened out. the world has never seen such a tall soapbox.

[Irish_Dem]

24. Yes I have had that happen on some other sites.

It is always a real thrill and honor.

BTW did you see Biden is going to Co. Mayo tomorrow?
To Ballina which is a half hour away from where my grandparents were born and raised.
I am so excited to see the pictures.

It is the isolated western coast of Ireland.

[mopinko]

25. did you listen to his speech today? this blew my mind-

both his great grandfather and obama’s great grandfather both left from the same port, in co louth, 5 mos apart.
sad to see some on twitter w the- he isnt irish, he was born in america. i mean, yeah, i know that’s out there. but it’s not like it was our idea to leave.

heard him say a couple times-he’s never met an irish-american who didnt yearn to see ireland.
the only downside of seeing him over there is how it strikes my desire to go home.

[Irish_Dem]

31. No I missed it.

Wow that is wild about Joe and Obama's ancestors.
I didn't know that.

I know, being Irish is such a strong pull, it is hard to describe.
And being Irish American is unique.

Yes seeing the pictures will be bittersweet.

[mopinko]

40. i'm sure most immigrants feel that way.

but between the beauty of the country, and the stories that came out of it, i think it’s just a bit more universal for the irish.
i think the hunger that sent so many away is maybe unusual in that it was so many in such a short time.

i’ve had an irish carpenter working for me that last 2 wks. it’s been fun talking to him. from co clare. a sweetie.

speech here-https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017820508

[Irish_Dem]

46. The Irish were subjugated for 1000 years by the British.

Starved, beaten, denied basic human rights.

Forbidden to speak their language, go to church, have an education,
not allowed to own land, lived in squalor and poverty, etc.

One of my cousins made a visit to Ireland and visited our grandmother's
childhood home which has now been converted to a small barn for animals.

I do quite a bit of ancestry research and the Irish records are a disgrace thanks to the British.
The records had to be recorded in secret by the priests, to keep them hidden
from the British. So they are a mess.

So a national identity and personalty was forged because of all of this.
After 1000 years, it is now part of our DNA.

Fiercely proud and independent. We don't take shit off of anyone.
And give as good as we get. Like John Kennedy said, don't get mad, get even.

But of course at the same time we are highly sentimental, poetic, and magical.
I love the combination.

This is especially true of the part of Ireland where my family is from.
The isolated western coast of Ireland.

An impoverished, but proud, cantankerous, rebellious people. The story is that
even the British tax collectors refused to go to this part of Ireland. The people
had no money and didn't put up with crap.

Some of Biden's family are from this area as well.

This is how I could predict what Biden would do in regards to Ukraine.
Pictures of the Russian bombing of a Ukrainian maternity hospital appeared
with a very pregnant woman being carried on a stretcher, she and the baby later died.
And stories of women and children being raped, tortured and killed.

You and I both know exactly what Joe Biden said in private when he saw these pictures and heard
the stories. The cussing and anger must have been epic.

I was also 100% certain that while Biden would be professional in public, he was going to load
a heap of hurt on Putin in private. And recently we saw that was true, as we learn that Biden
sent in US military special ops from the get go.

[mopinko]

47. we are the best story tellers ever.

i will die sad that i didnt get to spend the time w the old ones my older sibs did. but i rly never heard stories of home. my da told me many stories of his life, but that’s it. not even much about the rest of his family.

finally learning my history was a revelation. esp as i’m the black sheep of the family in large part cuz i’m the fighter. i think that coin has another side, tho. all those year taught a lot of ppl to keep their heads down and their mouths shut.
the guy i had working for me said the hardest part of living here is that he just isnt used to the way ppl speak their minds. i told him the problem i have w my family is that they love to talk about me, but they rarely talk to me. he said that was very irish.
he’s from clare. i’m starting to learn the geography. did 1 of those blank map things the other day. failed miserably but i did get a few right. and i was close on a lot of my misses.

my ppl are from tipparary, offaly and cork. i have a friend over there in donegal.
i need to get off my butt and get over there.

[Irish_Dem]

48. Yes it is insane, I post a few comments and people say they love my stories.

I am going WTF, this is not a story, it is just a few offhand comments.

I sometimes post on reddit and will get 1000 likes in ONE DAY.
I can make a post with only three sentences and get 356 likes on it.
And I get all these reddit awards and top 1% monthly karma.

It is truly crazy. My daughter is just amazed. She is used to her mother blithering away
on any topic, but didn't think other people would love it so much.

I attribute all of this to my Irish DNA, but my brother and cousins are the real story tellers.
I am just a runner up.

I actually don't really like it. I like being anonymous and not getting attention.
On DU, I get some support but mostly ignored or get the crap beaten out of me.
Which I love actually. It is more comfortable for me.

DU is so intelligent, sophisticated, argumentative that it is a comfort zone.

Oh yes that is very Irish, grudges, arguing, not communicating, etc.
The joke at my family reunions is that if the cops aren't called it isn't a good reunion.
Which is really funny since a big chunk of the reunion consists of big city cops.
The boy cousins tease the girl cousins, and the girl cousins won't put up with it and fight back.
Then the boy cousins get mad, and the girl cousins threatened to tell their mother about it.
It is so much fun, really.

In my part of Ireland the people must speak their minds ad nauseum
because that is how my family operates.

My family is from Co Mayo. Yes I wish I had talked to my grandparents more about their lives.

I know, I keep thinking I better make a trip to Ireland.
I was planning on doing so before Covid struck.
And then I had a bad fall and fractured a bunch of bones and was going nowhere.

[mopinko]

49. have you heard of jarlath regan?

very, very funny irish stand up.

yeah, i was gonna go in 2020, then i almost went broke. so…

[Irish_Dem]

51. I will have to look him up.

I wonder if I am related to him.
My grandmother was a Regan.

Yep the shit hit the fan for me too in 2020.

[mopinko]

56. ha. so was my grandmother.

well, an o’regan.

[Irish_Dem]

59. That's hilarious. Hi cousin! :)

[mopinko]

61. .

now u know why i call all my irish friends cousin.

[Irish_Dem]

62. Have you done DNA testing?

[mopinko]

63. yes.

on ancestry if u want to see.
cahill family tree.

[Irish_Dem]

65. I have a lot of Cahill matches.

Will go look now.

[Irish_Dem]

66. I don't see your family tree in my match list.

But your ppl are from different countries, not Co Mayo.

Funny that we both have Regan Grandmothers with Cahills in our trees.

[mopinko]

67. i'm not sure about rosie

i think cork, but not sure.
maureen cahill, daughter of edw madden cahill and rose mary dwyer.

[Irish_Dem]

69. I have Dwyers in my match list too.

Will investigate further.

[mopinko]

68. you have any ppl here in wis?

cahills, maddens, price.

that branch was fun. grandma cahill was 1 of 11, but i only ever even heard about 2.
all nearby. never met em.

[Irish_Dem]

70. Yes I do have close Irish matches in Wisconsin.

Eagney and Hobbick. From the western part of Wisconsin.

[mopinko]

71. ah. maddens were south.

delavan. cousins spread to sheboygan, racine, kenosha. some even in chi.
grudges r us. lol.

[Irish_Dem]

72. My mother's people are on the northeast side.

Oconto Falls, Little Chute, Appleton, Green Bay.

I know, we can hold epic grudges.

Did you hear the joke about Irish Alzheimer's?
You only remember the bad and forget all the good.

[mopinko]

73. def runs in my fam.

lol.

[Zeitghost]

38. The crime in this case

Is not making it public. The transaction is legal, Thomas and his family are free to sell their property to whomever they wish, he just has to disclose it.

[Irish_Dem]

44. I disagree, the major crime is accepting bribes. Then there is the coverup of that crime.

So two crimes.

[Zeitghost]

52. There is zero evidence to support a bribery claim.

[Irish_Dem]

53. For God's sake.

[Zeitghost]

54. Well that's a compelling argument

...

[Irish_Dem]

64. PhD shorthand language

[Elessar Zappa]

57. You'd have to prove in court that it's a bribe.

It’s a difficult standard to meet unless you have written or video of him saying I’ll do this in exchange for this.

[gab13by13]

16. No they did try to hide the sale

it was done through a 3rd party, it wasn't done in the open, they tried to hide it.

[mopinko]

17. his name is on the doc.

[Irish_Dem]

20. But it wasn't a hard to trace shell company?

I think that is the point people are making.

[gab13by13]

21. Maybe so, but still,

Crow, a prolific collector of historical artifacts, said he planned to turn the home into a public museum. Fittingly, he bought the house through an entity called Savannah Historic Developments LLC.

C'mon man, that's an attempted cover up.

[Irish_Dem]

23. No doubt, but pretty obviously a bribe.

[Zeitghost]

55. How so?

The company is easily traced to Crow through free and easy to use public sources.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

11. Who is surprised by this?

She is living rent free as a bribe to Thomas

[Zeitghost]

39. A bribe for what

Was Thomas ever going to make anything but a radical right wing vote in any case before the court? He’s one of the most consistent justices in history, consistently wrong but consistent none the less.

I know many here like to envision a corrupt right wing judge taking bribes but let’s be honest; there is no need to bribe a Justice, you just install one you know is going to vote your way no matter what which is exactly why Thomas and the other 5 were all chosen.

I’m not defending Thomas here. He has apparently broken disclosure laws, but there is nothing to seriously suggest there is anything past that.

[LiberalFighter]

12. She still lives there and the property was upgraded.

[BOSSHOG]

13. Poor Clarence

He has to go through another high tech lynching. Maybe Harlan can take him for a cruise on his little yacht to soothe his soul.

[IronLionZion]

15. Uncle Clarence has been on the Supreme Court longer than some DUers have been alive

How has nobody nailed him on this before? He's gotten away with it a long time.

[SunSeeker]

19. The sale of the house was in 2014, but Thomas has been getting fancy Crow vacays for decades.

He got away with it because SCOTUS has little, if any, oversight.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

26. What did Crow buy with the undisclosed property deal and rennovations?

Which ruling(s) by Thomas were purchased?

[onethatcares]

42. I compare it to "legal" sports betting

you'll never know if that critical catch or non-catch was bought and paid for. You just have questions that don't have answers.

But hell, it's only our country and constitution we're talking about not some game ...

[Tom Rinaldo]

45. Crow and Thomas would have to be idiots to arrange bribes that blatantly

The percentage of Crow's wealth that he has invested into his "friendship" with Thomas is microscopic. Crow doesn't have to ask for anything specific in return. Thomas in return for all that "kindness" from Crow just has to keep Crow's often obvious interests in mind while he is deciding on cases. He can even make some rulings not to Crow's liking, as long as he maintains a general inclination to help Crow out when possible. Over the year's Crow more than gets his money's worth out of having a Justice favorably disposed toward his interests on the Supreme Court.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

50. That is blatant

Thomas is bought. He has blatantly sold his seat; it doesn't matter if there was a price tag on individual decisions.

https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/op-eds/the-supreme-courts-anti-worker-rulings-are-so-routine-now-that-we-hardly-notice-them-big-mistake

https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/op-eds/-how-cruz-supreme-court-case-could-lead-to-unlimited-anonymous-election-spending

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

41. why did she raise a self hating chump?

[leftyladyfrommo]

43. I always thought he was a repulsive sleez but I

seriously underestimated his corruptness.

[maxsolomon]

58. Just why? Clarence Thomas has made a SCOTUS salary for decades.

Currently $265k/year.

This house and the adjacent lots cost a pittance - half a year's salary. He could easily have fixed up his mom's house. There's a zillion contractors in Savannah who'd be happy to do the work.

Crow probably does plan to make it a museum (and use the vacant lots for parking or a new building), but who would bother visiting?

Maybe if Thomas' grave is there and they have to pee...

[Polybius]

60. He still has a mom?

How old is she?