What is the most logical time frame for a DOJ indictment of Donald Trump?

[kentuck]

I do not think it is logical to believe the former president will be indicted by the DOJ so long as he is a front runner for the nomination of his Party. Of course, this does not prevent the states of New York or Georgia from indicting for various crimes.

Trump made sure his prosecution by the Feds would be political when he announced his run for the presidency before all the votes were counted in the last election. He sought shelter from the political system.

In my opinion, the DOJ cannot logically make a case against Trump until he loses the Republican primaries or, if he wins the nomination, he loses the General Election. Until then, the charges and the evidence will be gathered by DOJ and will be presented once Trump has been soundly defeated at the polls and the American people have spoken.

For those that argue that the American people do not have that much patience with the DOJ, they will have to be content with the work of Alvin Bragg, Letitia James, and Fani Willis to keep him occupied in the interim.

The prosecution of Trump is unlike any this country has ever seen. In my opinion, it is wrong to say that the DOJ simply follows the law and not the politics of a case. In this instance, I do not think they have another choice.

It is going to take longer than many of us may have thought. The political environment will not be right until the people have declared Donald Trump a "loser" in the upcoming elections.

If patience is a virtue, then America will be a virtuous nation in about 2 years.

[liberal N proud]

1. The slob father has made it all political

He politicized everything

[kentuck]

2. And only the voters can de-politicize it...

...in my opinion.

[gab13by13]

6. Weren't we told that once before?

Didn't we have control of the presidency and Congress not that long ago?

We can't get judges appointed because Dick Durbin is allowing Republican Senators to veto President Biden's nominees. How will winning the next election cure that?

[claudette]

3. Sorry to say

Never. Unless there is a change in DOJ leadership

[Miguelito Loveless]

4. The logical time

was over year ago. Now, it won’t happen.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. I think DOJ should ignore the political calendar

Bad precedent to indict candidates due to future political indictments of candidates? You need good crimes to indict anyone. Minor crimes and manufactured political prosecutions won't cut the mustard. Ever. The public will see right through it. The greatest deterrent would be to indict TDFG whenever the indictments are ready. An indicited GOP candidate on the ballot? They've earned it.

[Scrivener7]

7. Sometime in 2021.

[Emile]

8. +1

Spot on!

[ret5hd]

9. Beat me. Damn you.

[brooklynite]

15. So the current Grand Jury is time wasting by Garland and Smith?

If the "correct" time was in 2021, then apparently you think all the necessary evidence was available then.

[gab13by13]

16. Are you missing the point?

The problem was Garland's pyramid strategy where he only investigated the unwashed Magats who invaded the Capitol.

Garland waited 12 to 16 months to investigate Trump and his inner circle. Can I prove that DOJ wasn't doing a secret Trump investigation in 2021? No I can't, but you can't prove that it was.

Robert Mueller in 22 months indicted, got guilty pleas, and convicted 34 people, some of whom were Trump lawyers, some of whom were close friends of Trump and he did so with Magat Attorney Generals obstructing him. Garland also in that time frame laid out the evidence to indict Trump for obstruction of justice and campaign finance violations. Garland laid out the evidence, it was already there and Garland passed.

Garland could indict Trump today but his actual trial will never happen for 3 or 4 years IMO. DOJ is free to keep investigating Trump during that period. I listened to numerous experts make the claim that there is enough evidence right now to indict Trump for obstruction of justice in the classified documents theft, that crime carries a 20 year sentence.

The Iowa caucus is this January, will an institutionalist have DOJ go quiet at that point when Donald Trump will be the leading Magat candidate for president?

[brooklynite]

18. "will an institutionalist have DOJ go quiet at that point"

No reason to assume that; the policy that everyone misinterprets, say 60 DAYS BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION.

[Scrivener7]

20. You do love your strawmen, don't you?

[brooklynite]

21. Not as much as I love armchair prosecutors opining on how easily made the case against Trump will be

[Scrivener7]

22. Aaaaaaand there's another one!

[gab13by13]

10. We are at least a year behind where we should be.

I tried to warn people that time matters, especially with an institutionalist as Attorney General.

Scott Perry was deeply involved in the insurrection, his phone was seized last August and the FBI can't access it because it is tied up in the courts. Now I learn from Perry's lawyer that Perry is not a target, just a witness. No member of Congress will be a target with an institutionalist as AG, winning another election isn't going to fix that, the AG has vowed to remain non-partisan.

[C_U_L8R]

11. Today would be nice.

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. Please explain your logic

In my opinion, the DOJ cannot logically make a case against Trump until he loses the Republican primaries or, if he wins the nomination, he loses the General Election. Until then, the charges and the evidence will be gathered by DOJ and will be presented once Trump has been soundly defeated at the polls and the American people have spoken.

Because…?

You don’t explain yourself; what is it about being defeated at the polls that “logically” creates an environment for a successful prosecution? I see no legal, or even strategic obstacles preventing prosecutions sooner.

[bigtree]

13. look to the remaining witnesses to testify

...and allow a period afterward for dealmaking, additional testimony, and deliberations, in the end.

I'd say a month or so for the docs probe. They may be able to peel off clear violations and leave other investigatory avenues open.

Jan. 6 is more of a puzzle.

[brooklynite]

14. The most logical time frame is....when the case is ready to prosecute.

Next question?

[gab13by13]

17. Robert Mueller had the evidence for 10 obstruction of justice crimes

and a campaign finance crime all laid out for Garland after Trump left office. Mueller believed the evidence was there to indict Trump but for whatever reason Garland chose not to pull the trigger.

[kacekwl]

19. Two weeks.

Imminent.