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Nevilledog

(55,078 posts)
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:02 PM Apr 2023

Ruth Marcus: Clarence Thomas enters the danger zone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/13/clarence-thomas-real-estate-deal-ethics-harlan-crow/

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https://archive.is/BDhej

The matter of Clarence Thomas’s relationship with billionaire Harlan Crow has now entered new territory, treacherous for the justice and the court on which he serves.

Until Thursday’s ProPublica’s report disclosing Crow’s purchase of property owned by Thomas and his family in 2014, the story was about Thomas’s judgment, or lack thereof, in accepting large amounts of luxury travel from the Republican megadonor, and whether he had failed once again to comply with federal financial disclosure rules.

The latest revelation escalates the situation to a new and concerning level. This time, Thomas directly received money from Crow — perhaps in excess of the market value of the Chatham County, Ga., properties that Crow purchased from Thomas and his kin. This is no longer about receiving “personal hospitality.” It’s about a financial transaction between Thomas and a GOP donor who has also subsidized his vacations.

There is no doubt that the sale of personal real estate to Crow should have been reported on the justice’s financial disclosure form for 2014, and there is no excuse for failing to do so. The most logical explanation is that Thomas, whose relationship with Crow had already been the subject of unflattering news reports, wanted to keep it from public view.

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Ruth Marcus: Clarence Thomas enters the danger zone (Original Post) Nevilledog Apr 2023 OP
Man up, Clarence. rubbersole Apr 2023 #1
You'd have better luck asking Lindsey peppertree Apr 2023 #34
You would have better luck getting a Disney character to "man up". usaf-vet Apr 2023 #38
+1 peppertree Apr 2023 #39
Consider the additional funds to upgrade the residence. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #2
Just My Take: Ahna KneeMoose Apr 2023 #3
The might be true for an ordinary person, but Clarence Thomas is beyond such minutiae gratuitous Apr 2023 #4
Another way to look at this is stealthy blackmail. First give the guy a free meal erronis Apr 2023 #5
Or "grooming". Midnight Writer Apr 2023 #7
As I understand it, his mother still lives WhiteTara Apr 2023 #6
remodeled Old Okie Apr 2023 #8
Have you seen evidence she is living there rent free? Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #13
Good point MomInTheCrowd Apr 2023 #19
Reporting challenges? Thomas clearly doesn't give a shart about reporting anything Gregory Peccary Apr 2023 #25
Perhaps I should have been clearer. Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #33
Good point, well said! Gregory Peccary Apr 2023 #41
Not only that... peppertree Apr 2023 #12
Just Faux pas Apr 2023 #9
He's gotta resign. Corrupt. lindysalsagal Apr 2023 #10
if he was rly looking to landmark it- mopinko Apr 2023 #11
Add this on top if his clear violation of ethics over 1/6. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2023 #14
I like it republianmushroom Apr 2023 #15
I'd like to know what Crow-related Supreme Ct. cases poli-junkie Apr 2023 #16
Has any other justice gotten any "Gifts" from the Crow that everyone is gonna have to eat? JMCKUSICK Apr 2023 #17
He is in no danger, and he knows it. As does the rest of the court. And the GOP. NullTuples Apr 2023 #18
Correct. Stuckinthebush Apr 2023 #23
If Thomas was ethical, he'd resign. ffr Apr 2023 #20
LOL Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #22
Resign. Now. Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #21
There's no way to hold him accountable and he'll never resign Arazi Apr 2023 #24
GOOD! keep the pressure on! LymphocyteLover Apr 2023 #26
Thomas was seated on SCOTUS for 5 years before Crow became his "friend". BeckyDem Apr 2023 #27
While they're at it, I still wonder MontanaMama Apr 2023 #28
I agree. Perhaps the media could put some pressure now on him too... I know. I'm dreaming Iwasthere Apr 2023 #29
That's something else about which we need answers. calimary Apr 2023 #30
You do realize that Mother Jones article basically refutes robbob Apr 2023 #35
TY & Ruth Marcus! Cha Apr 2023 #31
Wow...a Justice of the Supreme Court The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2023 #32
Thomas has won every Employee of the Month award from the GOP dalton99a Apr 2023 #36
Nothing can be done to him madville Apr 2023 #37
Highway to the danger zone IronLionZion Apr 2023 #40
There's 49 lemmings protecting him from any consequences of his crimes Bucky Apr 2023 #42

rubbersole

(11,222 posts)
1. Man up, Clarence.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:12 PM
Apr 2023

Resign. Or on second thought, stick around and expose the SCOTUS corruption that has been going on since Roberts became chief justice.

peppertree

(23,336 posts)
34. You'd have better luck asking Lindsey
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 11:01 AM
Apr 2023

Thomas is counting on his impunity to get him through - though I suspect he has lingering fears about about a few R senators.

That's the only thing keeping him up at night (besides Ginny's flatulence).

peppertree

(23,336 posts)
39. +1
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 11:58 AM
Apr 2023

Thomas is the ultimate corrupt, mindless (and spineless) toadie.

The worst stereotypes about 3rd world supreme courts, all rolled up in one fat lump of a man.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
2. Consider the additional funds to upgrade the residence.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:14 PM
Apr 2023

That should be included in the transaction involving his mother remaining there. Along with whether the mother was living there rent free or a reduced rate. What other services were provided that she wasn't receiving before?

Ahna KneeMoose

(302 posts)
3. Just My Take:
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:17 PM
Apr 2023

Clarence Thomas has done exactly as he pleased (over the years) with no concern for any law(s) whatsoever. And by his actions (all of them) he could not care less for the public's opinion (nor for the very court he sits upon).

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. The might be true for an ordinary person, but Clarence Thomas is beyond such minutiae
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:19 PM
Apr 2023

Your mortal concerns don't touch a member of the Nine Wise Souls.

erronis

(23,869 posts)
5. Another way to look at this is stealthy blackmail. First give the guy a free meal
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:24 PM
Apr 2023

and then feed him and his 'unusual' wife caviar and champagne for years, then offer to buy his mother's house, etc. etc.

The first item is a lure. Sure, the SCOTUS people are well beyond the normal government restrictions about accepting free meals, but it is the small dose - the hook. Given the Thomas's apparent appetites, freebies at nice places are most welcome.

What I'd like to know is what the Crow/Harlan thinks about all of this. Was it an intentional set up? How many SCOTUS justices have been set up in similar ways (free beer, all the RW/xian media you want, a nice little nunnery, oh and lots of unreported $$$s).

Old Okie

(221 posts)
8. remodeled
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 01:49 PM
Apr 2023

An they even remodeled and upgraded it for her while she lives rent free in her new house. Such a deal. Where do I get mine?

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
13. Have you seen evidence she is living there rent free?
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:04 PM
Apr 2023

I've seen questions about what rent she is paying, but nothing beyond questions.

One possibility that fits the facts is that part of the deal was that she was allowed to continue living there rent free for as long as she wanted in exchange for a below-market-value purchase price. So, in essence, her life tenancy was part of the consideration for a reduce purchase price. I'm just speculating - but as far as I know, that's all the allegations of living there rent free amount to.

Of course a deal which included rent-free living space has its own additional reporting challenges.

Gregory Peccary

(490 posts)
25. Reporting challenges? Thomas clearly doesn't give a shart about reporting anything
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:49 PM
Apr 2023

She probably pays $1 in rent to avoid being classified as rent-free.

Ms. Toad

(38,634 posts)
33. Perhaps I should have been clearer.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 09:48 PM
Apr 2023

Since it was his mother's home, rather than his, there may be capital gains tax to be paid. If the deal was a (rent free) life tenancy for mom, the value of her life tenancy should have beeen included in the sale reported for tax purposes. If it wasn't, he may have taken a loss (offsetting part of his income on which he should have paid taxes) or the gains on the sale might have been underreported, in which case he may owe additional taxes on the capital gains.

That's a bit stronger leverage than violating ethics reporting rules.

peppertree

(23,336 posts)
12. Not only that...
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:01 PM
Apr 2023

But looking at the Google Earth and Zillow for her home (542 E. 32nd St.) and neighborhood, it's looks like Crow - and/or other bribers - have bought several surrounding lots over the last few years, and then built five homes far more upscale than the rather downtrodden neighborhood was used to seeing (mainly run-down bungalows from the early 1900s).

A veritable, one-block urban renewal project that pushed up Mama Leola's home value from around $67,000 - to over $300,000.

Nice work if you can get it!

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
11. if he was rly looking to landmark it-
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:00 PM
Apr 2023

you dont start w a big rehab. and you’d prolly brag about it.

poli-junkie

(1,567 posts)
16. I'd like to know what Crow-related Supreme Ct. cases
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:17 PM
Apr 2023

were/are before the court, and what were the resulting decisions? How did Uncle Thomas side on these cases?

JMCKUSICK

(6,044 posts)
17. Has any other justice gotten any "Gifts" from the Crow that everyone is gonna have to eat?
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:24 PM
Apr 2023

Sorry for the bad pun. Or candidates for higher office?

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
18. He is in no danger, and he knows it. As does the rest of the court. And the GOP.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:28 PM
Apr 2023

Lifetime appointment
Split Congress
Gerrymandered Red states

Clarence is no danger at all.

Remember when Roberts was putting on a good show of feigning concern over the legitimacy of the court? Good times...

Stuckinthebush

(11,203 posts)
23. Correct.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:46 PM
Apr 2023

He will do nothing. Roberts will do nothing. The congress will not impeach him.

What we do is hang this around the GOP neck like an albatross. Skim off more votes so we can possibly take back the house and increase the lead in the Senate. Both are tough.

If we can get the senate with 50 reliable votes, maybe Joe will just say to hell with it and increase the SC by 5 members.

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
24. There's no way to hold him accountable and he'll never resign
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 02:48 PM
Apr 2023

Until there’s a way to charge him with something, he’s laughing all the way to his next luxury vacation courtesy of Harlan Crow

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
27. Thomas was seated on SCOTUS for 5 years before Crow became his "friend".
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 03:12 PM
Apr 2023

This entire event is sleazy and corrupt, he must be impeached.

MontanaMama

(24,721 posts)
28. While they're at it, I still wonder
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 03:13 PM
Apr 2023

who paid off Brett Kavanaugh’s $200,000 credit card debt and $92,000 country club fee. He also took out a loan against his retirement account and with all that debt was mysteriously able to make a $245,000 down payment on a million plus dollar home.

Who is Boof's benefactor?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/09/heres-the-truth-about-brett-kavanaughs-finances/

Iwasthere

(3,512 posts)
29. I agree. Perhaps the media could put some pressure now on him too... I know. I'm dreaming
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 03:30 PM
Apr 2023

robbob

(3,750 posts)
35. You do realize that Mother Jones article basically refutes
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 11:02 AM
Apr 2023

all the speculation about Boof’s finances? Points out that he comes from a very wealthy family and that they are the ones who paid off his dept, which is perfectly legal and proper according to the rules.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
32. Wow...a Justice of the Supreme Court
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 04:11 PM
Apr 2023

“Misunderstanding” simple disclosure laws.

When they construct a museum to tell the story of Shithole Clarence, the second black SC Justice, build it in the sewer.

dalton99a

(94,109 posts)
36. Thomas has won every Employee of the Month award from the GOP
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 11:07 AM
Apr 2023

Nothing will happen to him or his wife



madville

(7,847 posts)
37. Nothing can be done to him
Sat Apr 15, 2023, 11:07 AM
Apr 2023

And he knows it. Without 67 votes in the Senate he’s pretty much immune from any punishment. The FBI and DOJ aren’t gonna go down that road either.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
42. There's 49 lemmings protecting him from any consequences of his crimes
Mon Apr 17, 2023, 12:29 PM
Apr 2023

Only a sense of dignity and honor could compel him to step down now that his corruption has been exposed.

("dignity and honor" -- Ha, that's a good one.)

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