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former9thward

(32,082 posts)
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 07:45 PM Apr 2023

Why Is America Still Flying the A-10 Warthog, a Cold War Relic?

Lawmakers protecting jobs and commerce for their districts block the military from retiring outdated equipment, impairing effort to counter rapidly modernizing Chinese forces.

Every day, teams of technicians at a vast Air Force base in Tucson, Ariz., tend to a fleet of attack jets the Pentagon has been trying to retire for more than a decade. They have picked replacement parts from the base’s famous “Boneyard,” where old military planes go for scrap, which stretches far into the surrounding desert.

The Air Force has said for years that the A-10 jets, nicknamed Warthogs for their bulky silhouette and toughness in a fight, have passed their prime and will be vulnerable in the wars of the future. The production line where they were made fell silent in the mid-1980s, and the average A-10 here is four decades old. Its job can be done by newer, more advanced planes, the Air Force says.

“The A-10, while it has served us well, is simply not a part of the battlefield of the future,” said Lt. Gen. Richard Moore, the Air Force’s deputy chief of staff for plans and programs. Congress has other ideas. Bowing to members whose constituencies are dependent on the jet for jobs and the flow of federal tax dollars, it has instead insisted nearly all the planes keep flying at a cost of more than $4 billion over the past 10 years.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-10-warthog-why-is-america-still-flying-cold-war-relic-f34f607f

I hate reading articles like this. We make fun of the Russian military and its bureaucracy but we have severe problems ourselves. How to solve the problem of Congress interfering in military decisions about needed battle equipment I don't know.

This is a timed image of a A-10 at work in Kandahar, Afghanistan in 2002.


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Why Is America Still Flying the A-10 Warthog, a Cold War Relic? (Original Post) former9thward Apr 2023 OP
Same reason we use the Browning M2 50 cal sarisataka Apr 2023 #1
Uncle Sucker underpants Apr 2023 #2
whether it is or is not a part of the battlefield gladium et scutum Apr 2023 #3
Maybe so but it will be shot down by anyone with a decent air defense. former9thward Apr 2023 #4
Its not used to operate in places with a good air defense. Eko Apr 2023 #5
I know. former9thward Apr 2023 #6
A-10 is better - but the WSJ/MIC wants $ ThoughtCriminal Apr 2023 #7
Next question asked by someone that doesn't know the capabilities of "ancient aircraft"? Enter stage left Apr 2023 #8
I've seen several docs about the A-10 being pretty much obsolete yaesu Apr 2023 #9
Same reason I'm driving a 15 Y/O Camry Hybrid Wonder Why Apr 2023 #10
Are you able to get parts? former9thward Apr 2023 #12
The Army would love to have them! Mopar151 Apr 2023 #11
Give them all to Ukraine CanonRay Apr 2023 #13
I don't think so. former9thward Apr 2023 #14
... Crepuscular Apr 2023 #16
They are one of the best battlefield aircraft around. Most parts can be used on left & right side. TheBlackAdder Apr 2023 #15
I won't comment as to obsolescence, since I'm not qualified. Aristus Apr 2023 #17

sarisataka

(18,774 posts)
1. Same reason we use the Browning M2 50 cal
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 07:49 PM
Apr 2023

From World War I era. It works and no one has come up with anything better yet.

The air force has never liked the A 10 since day one. Flying down in the mud with the grunts is beneath them in their opinion. They want to be up high in something supersonic. And expensive.

gladium et scutum

(808 posts)
3. whether it is or is not a part of the battlefield
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 07:54 PM
Apr 2023

is better answered by the Army and the Marine Corp. The Air Force doesn't want the warthog because it is not sleek, fast, and you will never be an ace flying one.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
4. Maybe so but it will be shot down by anyone with a decent air defense.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 07:57 PM
Apr 2023

It moves too slow. It was used in Afghanistan because the Taliban lacked a serious ground to air defense.

Eko

(7,360 posts)
5. Its not used to operate in places with a good air defense.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 08:12 PM
Apr 2023

Its made to go in after those have been disabled and provide close air support to ground troops.

Enter stage left

(3,398 posts)
8. Next question asked by someone that doesn't know the capabilities of "ancient aircraft"?
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 08:19 PM
Apr 2023

Why are we still flying the B-52 bomber that is over 60 years old?.

Why don't you leave if up the the people who know war-fare, not keyboard c'boys!

The A-10 is still an incredibly effective weapon with the right air support, and the GAU-8/A gatling gun is feared by tankers and artillery from all of our enemies.

Read up on that aircraft. The pilots love it.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
9. I've seen several docs about the A-10 being pretty much obsolete
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 08:28 PM
Apr 2023

and there are modern jets that can to the ground supporting role much better. The tank killing aspect is also overated. It's cool looking but realistically it's time has passed.

Wonder Why

(3,252 posts)
10. Same reason I'm driving a 15 Y/O Camry Hybrid
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 08:34 PM
Apr 2023

Works Well

Maintenance is a lot cheaper than buying new

Does what I need

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
12. Are you able to get parts?
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 08:57 PM
Apr 2023

I am guessing you can. Not so much with the A-10. The factory which produced it shut in the 1980s. The part's supply line has dried up.

Mopar151

(9,999 posts)
11. The Army would love to have them!
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 08:37 PM
Apr 2023

But the Army can only have rotorcraft. We waste billions on stupid parochialisim and duplication! The Air Force wants to fly COOL airplanes, way up high.

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
16. ...
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 09:08 PM
Apr 2023

That's why you use wild weasels to take out the air defense and then bring in the hogs to take care of the tanks and mobile artillery. You may be over estimating the efficacy of Russian mobile air defenses at this point in the war.

TheBlackAdder

(28,218 posts)
15. They are one of the best battlefield aircraft around. Most parts can be used on left & right side.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 09:03 PM
Apr 2023

.

The interchangeability of parts minimizes the logistics of the spare part supply chain.

.

Aristus

(66,467 posts)
17. I won't comment as to obsolescence, since I'm not qualified.
Fri Apr 14, 2023, 09:14 PM
Apr 2023

But I was a tanker *cough* thirty years ago *cough*, and we loved the A-10 Warthog. Long may it live.

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