Airman who put secrets online is in shackles. Trump is in Mar-a-Lago

[Cyrano]

Never again do I want to hear: "Equal justice under the law;" or "No one is above the law."

Who could ever again buy the bullshit we're fed and believe it?

[Autumn]

1. He was arrested pretty damn quick.

[usaf-vet]

18. What was his rank? E? I still can understand how he had access to the classified documents.

[RockRaven]

2. I'm reminded of this thing I once heard this guy say...

"The Rule of Law means that the law treats each of us alike: there is not one rule for friends, another for foes; one rule for the powerful, another for the powerless; a rule for the rich, another for the poor; or different rules, depending upon one’s race or ethnicity or country of origin."


The same guy also said...

"The central norm is that, in our criminal investigations, there cannot be different rules depending on one’s political party or affiliation. There cannot be different rules for friends and foes. And there cannot be different rules for the powerful and the powerless."


That guy might believe that often repeated rhetoric, but it sure looks like a load of crap when you look at America in 2023. Or 1923. Or 1823.

[Magoo48]

17. Two tiered.

[Aristus]

3. They both violated an oath that they swore to the state.

I know the rich get treated better than the non-rich. But why are they giving the kid-glove treatment to a non-rich guy who is pinned under a paralyzingly huge mountain of debt?

Because he said he was rich on a stupid reality TV show?

[Marthe48]

15. Why did everyone give that fake rich guy a pass?

He didn't magically appear on that escalator. We read things on DU that were never reported in depth by msm. The bullying he instigated in his school, the fake degree from the business college, the 3600 lawsuits he brought or that were brought against him, many of which were still being litigated as he descended. Actually, that descent was so prescient. He was on the way down, and he was taking as many of us and our country with him as he could.

For some reason, I'll never understand, he was never stopped in his tracks, and I don't know if he ever will be.

As for the guy who thought it was cute to steal secret material and post it online, show us how punishment for treason is done, just a reminder that there are consequences.

[rurallib]

4. I think a lot of these guys are convinced that they are patriots

and their cause is so noble and righteous that they will not be arrested but instead praised and made heroes for exposing our rotten government. Why do they think that? Because that is the message they get from their radical right media and social structure.

I don't feel one bit sorry for them. They can read and listen and learn.

[RKP5637]

6. Yep, many in the right wing are praising him as a patriotic hero. Disgusting. n/t

[LiberalArkie]

9. Being Air Force, he would have been pretty indoctrinated in "patriot thinking"

[NJCher]

12. hard truths

I don't feel one bit sorry for them. They can read and listen and learn.

I don't either; it's called willful ignorance--with a little bit of "tough love" on oneself thrown in.

Choose a biased source, one that caters to you and your biases, and you can end up like Texeira.

I am now having the unmitigated joy of watching a few of my union buddies who were (I know, gasp, choke) educated teachers/Trump supporters--people with Master's degrees and PhDs, having to come to terms with the lies from the Fox news emails.

I keep my mouth shut (very difficult for me), but watching this tells me it's not just a matter of education--it's a psychological issue, too. It's being willing to take the bad with the good.

It's really hard for them. Really, really hard.

[anciano]

5. Agreed.

[Scrivener7]

7. I also don't want to hear, "It takes years and years to make a good case against

someone who does this."

Because that has ALWAYS been bullshit.

[onecaliberal]

8. X10000000

[ecstatic]

23. Great point! nt

[ancianita]

10. Different cases require different legal procedures.

I buy "No one is above the law." What you call bullshit. You and others here, every time y'all haven't gotten your justice burger done your way, here come your FUD variations. I'm not buying that stuff.

Chill out and think about the differences in the person's affect on society, the timeline, scale, methods and motives of these defendants.

For a bigass country, this country's rule of law works much better than you think it does.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/15/classified-documents-leak-discord/

Teixeira was spending much of his social time on Discord well before he joined the Air National Guard, according to online friends who chatted with him about guns, Catholicism and libertarian politics.
He allegedly started posting classified documents last year. He wanted his Discord friends, most of them teenagers, to know more about the war in Ukraine, and he trusted them with the documents, one friend told The Washington Post.

The notion that the same person who passed a government security vetting could believe it was okay to trust anonymous online acquaintances with secret documents may seem incongruous, but those who study social attitudes among digital natives say the government’s need for airtight security and a young generation’s widespread embrace of online transparency have been on a collision course for years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/14/timeline-leaked-documents-discord/

[Sky Jewels]

11. Funny how "these things take time" ...

except when they don’t.

[dchill]

13. And Marjorene is supporting them both!

All is well. 😧

[gilligan]

14. Its Like The American Dream

George Carlin:
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
With apologies.

[Beastly Boy]

16. Other than top secret documents, how many things do these cases have in common?

Not suspects, but cases. Regardless of suspects.

Then, consider how many things these cases don't have in common. Not suspects, but cases.

Can the ratio of similarities to differences possibly explain why one is in shackles and the other is in Mar-a Lago? Or does it instead justify, in and by itself, your apparent disdain for the phrase "equal justice under the law"?

[Autumn]

19. Both seem to have the support of the MAGAtts. That's one big thing they have in common.

There is no "equal justice under the law". It's just a pretty, flowery throw away phrase

[Beastly Boy]

21. That's it?

The OP suggests that the two individuals were treated radically different, and THAT constitutes no equal justice under the law.

Now you are suggesting that they have something in common, and THAT constitutes no equal justice under the law.

All other considerations having been disregarded, two mutually contradictory premises, narrowly defined, both leading to the same sweeping conclusion at the same time: there is no equal justice under the law. Is there any room left in this scenario to conclude that equal justice IS possible under the law?

[Autumn]

22. You asked "how many things do these cases have in common?" I gave you one thing about both criminals

MAGAtts seem to love them. You did not ask the question "how many things do these cases have in common THAT constitutes no equal justice under the law?"

[Beastly Boy]

24. I also said "Not suspects, but cases. Regardless of suspects."

You referred to suspects.

I also asked "Then, consider how many things these cases don't have in common. Not suspects, but cases." You responded with none.

I also asked "Can the ratio of similarities to differences possibly explain why one is in shackles and the other is in Mar-a Lago?" Having the 1 to 0 ratio of differences to similarities in favor of similarities you came up with, and the equal but opposite ratio of 1 to 0 in favor of differences provided by the OP, the sweeping unanimous conclusion that there is no justice under the law that you both stated does not make any sense.

Based on the ridiculously limited data coming from the two of you, both of you cannot be right. And I can only go by the data you are willing to consider.

[Autumn]

30. We don't know everything about both cases. We do know that the MAGAtts are supporting both of them.

and both have to do with classifieds documents they had no business removing from a secure site. If you know more then by all means share it. If there wasn't an answer to your "Then, consider how many things these cases don't have in common. Not suspects, but cases." You responded with none."
Well Slick I don't have any "data" on the cases. Do you? If it is required that every detail of what you post must be responded to consider no one is on the witness stand here. Just about everything posted is for the most part opinion and conjecture. I doubt anyone who knows a damn thing about either of these two crimes posts here. If they do they should be fired.


And the fact that some of us happen to believe there is no justice under the law has nothing to do with both suspects.
Only one of them will answer for his crime and serve time in prison. The other won't do any time in prison. In order for the country to heal blah blah blah one will receive a pardon. You can bank on that.

[Beastly Boy]

31. The OP made it clear that what he perceives to be the contrast between

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how Teixeira and Trump have been treated so far is proof positive of no equal justice under the law.

You also seem to be making a connection between both of them being admired by MAGATs (your quote: "Both seem to have the support of the MAGAtts." ) and no equal justice under the law. At least, one immediately follows the other in your post. If you didn't mean to connect one with the other, that's fine, but in this case your post contains two separate and unrelated statements in response to me asking whether there is any connection between the two. If that's what you meant, you are making my case against the OP for me: the ridiculously limited data set in the OP is woefully insufficient to tie it to any halfass reasonable assessment of justice under the law. Your last paragraph puts the final nail in the coffin of the OP's argument: what some happen to believe about no justice under the law has nothing to do with the suspects. It has to do with due process of law: some believe it doesn't apply equally to all despite abundance of evidence to the contrary. Facts are an ineffective argument against beliefs.

BTW, my descriptive proper noun of choice is Sparky, not Slick. Please respect my choices the next time you feel like you need to insert a derisive comment in your response to me.

[Autumn]

32. Then you take it up with the OP. As for your descriptive proper noun of choice

put that in every post you make. There are no mind readers here.

[Beastly Boy]

35. I did. And then I found you responding to my reply to the OP.

Remember?

On edit: If I don't put my choice of a descriptive proper noun in my every post, do you promise not to come up with your own?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

20. You see no differences

In these two cases?

How about Trump didn’t post them online. That’s the biggest difference.

And yeah, it’s pretty easy to make a strong case when someone is as stupid as this kid apparently was. Not only steal the documents but them post them online where it’s easy to track down who posted them. Not to mention being able to see who printed them out to begin with.

And no, I’m not defending Trump, I’m simply pointing at the the two cases are very different.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

26. traitortrump hid documents even after a search warrant.

As soon as more secret documents were discovered after the search, you or I would have been arrested and held until every place we could hide them could be searched.

traitortrump walks free.

[Demsrule86]

36. Trump showed documents to foreign nationals and put them on a Lap Top. This is espionage.

[Scrivener7]

29. Whereas stealing them and leaving them in boxes next to the pool in your

hotel is a much smarter and more clandestine way to go about it?

Were you unsure of who stole the docs in Trump's case? Like, after he admitted it in public umpteen times?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. No, not smarter

But did post them on the internet for everyone to see?

That’s what made it so very easy to bring immediate charges against the airman.

[lame54]

34. The world watched Trump's treason on live tv

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

25. kick

[treestar]

27. kind of shallow

there could be many differences between the cases.

[Emile]

28. Trump will be in shackles any day now. Just a few more T's to cross and

one or two more i's to dot.

[UTUSN]

37. K&R