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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,845 posts)
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 06:21 PM Apr 2023

Justice Samuel Alito appears eager to overturn 50-year-old precedent in favor of Christian postal wo

Justice Samuel Alito appears eager to overturn 50-year-old precedent in favor of Christian postal worker who refused to deliver Amazon packages on Sundays

The majority-conservative U.S. Supreme Court appears poised to overturn a decades-old legal precedent — one that has long set the rules for how far employers must go to accommodate their employees’ religious practices in the workplace.

The justices heard oral arguments Tuesday in the case of Gerald E. Groff, an evangelical Christian postal worker who says his religious freedom was violated when he was forced to surrender his job as the only means of avoiding delivering Amazon packages on weekends. Groff’s lawyers urged the justices to overrule the 1977 landmark case of Trans World Airlines v. Hardison, which interpreted the requirements of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act for religious accommodations in employment.

In that case, the Supreme Court held that employers could not fire workers for practicing their religion unless the employer can show that accommodating the religious practice would pose an “undue hardship” on the employer that would require more than a minimal cost.

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Prelogar told the justices she has “great attachment” to the body of law developed after Hardison on which many employers have long relied to shape their employment policies. She urged the Court not to “just throw it up for grabs” and rule to make well-settled precedent irrelevant for employers to understand their obligations to employees.

Alito, though, did not appear convinced.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/justice-samuel-alito-appears-eager-to-overturn-50-year-old-precedent-in-favor-of-christian-postal-worker-who-refused-to-deliver-amazon-packages-on-sundays/ar-AA1a1elH

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Justice Samuel Alito appears eager to overturn 50-year-old precedent in favor of Christian postal wo (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 2023 OP
Not surprised. elleng Apr 2023 #1
Unfortunately it's a mess. jimfields33 Apr 2023 #2
there was a set of rules about working on Sunday that the union negotiated dsc Apr 2023 #6
They did try to accommodate him, but it puts a burden on the other employees okaawhatever Apr 2023 #7
Thank you! Mt reading comprehension failed me again. jimfields33 Apr 2023 #13
Duh. He yearns for a complete Christian theocracy. sinkingfeeling Apr 2023 #3
My religion forbids me from working over 16 hours a week and demands full pay. Chainfire Apr 2023 #4
A Catholic ruling in favor of an Evangelical? czarjak Apr 2023 #5
This will put SCOTUS and GOP supporting businesses at odds. nt okaawhatever Apr 2023 #8
Am fine with this ONLY for those grandfathered in Freethinker65 Apr 2023 #9
or azureblue Apr 2023 #12
You can just refuse to serve people who order meat or fish DFW Apr 2023 #16
Alito needs to go. Haggis 4 Breakfast Apr 2023 #10
so he just made the case for sovereign citizens azureblue Apr 2023 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Apr 2023 #14
What's your franchise? VGNonly Apr 2023 #15
Great! Thank you. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Judi Lynn Apr 2023 #19
This is the U.S. Postal Service. Doc_Technical Apr 2023 #17
I've said this before but why don't we make people prove their religious beliefs? Buckeyeblue Apr 2023 #18
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
2. Unfortunately it's a mess.
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 06:29 PM
Apr 2023

The employee was hired when Sunday delivery didn’t exist. You would think the USPS would have made an exception for him. I mean it’s one person. I’d bet many would love to work Sunday for the extra hourly wage you get. Where’s the Union to help mediate this?

dsc

(53,433 posts)
6. there was a set of rules about working on Sunday that the union negotiated
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 06:48 PM
Apr 2023

and the postoffice was very small making the one person who would and could work Sunday had to work all Sundays

okaawhatever

(9,567 posts)
7. They did try to accommodate him, but it puts a burden on the other employees
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 07:13 PM
Apr 2023

As the Unions pointed out.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
13. Thank you! Mt reading comprehension failed me again.
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 08:45 PM
Apr 2023

Thank you for getting that point across.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
9. Am fine with this ONLY for those grandfathered in
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 07:15 PM
Apr 2023

Those long time employees that were hired well before new Sunday policy was instated.

If this stands for all employees, even new hires, at all places of business, it would be a nightmare.

You hired me to work at your BBQ place but I can't touch anything with pork so I am entitled to accommodations? I took the job of phlebotomist, but must abstain from modern medicine and blood transfusion because of my religion so I require accommodations? My religion is against transgenders, so I request to never work on the same days as...?

azureblue

(2,742 posts)
12. or
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 07:54 PM
Apr 2023

I can refuse to wait on people who eat pork, have tattoos, wear two types of cloth at the same time.. Oh, the Christianist crowd is going to love this one, "sorry sir, yes I see you just came from church, but you have a tattoo and my religion says you are a sinner in the eyes of God, so I am not to sully myself by waiting on your table. Sinner! Stone him!"

DFW

(60,376 posts)
16. You can just refuse to serve people who order meat or fish
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 02:21 AM
Apr 2023

One of the Ten Commandments is "Thou shalt not kill."

If someone orders anything at all with beef, pork, veal, chicken, turkey, salmon, shrimp, bison, lamb, etc., just say, "sorry but I am Christian, and my bible clearly says not to kill. If you would order something that required killing to obtain its meat, you are disobeying the commandments of God, and I cannot serve you."

When the obvious response of "God meant that only for humans!" comes, just answer with, "Did God tell you that personally? How dare you tell me, a devout Christian, what God meant? He never told you that. He'd have told me first, and I didn't hear a peep. Not even an SMS!"

azureblue

(2,742 posts)
11. so he just made the case for sovereign citizens
Tue Apr 18, 2023, 07:50 PM
Apr 2023

If he rules that, then anyone can claim "religious exemption" for all sorts of things. Including obeying laws.

Response to BlueWaveNeverEnd (Original post)

Doc_Technical

(3,781 posts)
17. This is the U.S. Postal Service.
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 03:21 AM
Apr 2023

The Friday after Thanksgiving is not a holiday.
Easter Sunday is not a holiday.
Our workweek begins on a Saturday.
When my scheduled days off was changed from Saturday-Sunday
to Thursday-Friday, I had to work 10 days straight for straight time pay.

If you complain to management, their answer is,
"I had to eat shit for 20 years and now it's your turn".

You either eat shit and like it or quit.

Buckeyeblue

(6,421 posts)
18. I've said this before but why don't we make people prove their religious beliefs?
Wed Apr 19, 2023, 06:31 AM
Apr 2023

As an atheist, this infuriates me. I'm meet far too many people who claim they are Christians that are absolutely shit people. But no one questions their so called beliefs.

I think their should be a test or something.

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