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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI live in a rural area; the responses from the Sheriff's Department over time is telling
In the 24 years that I have lived and farmed in a rural Northern CA County on three occasions I have called the Sheriffs Department about bullets coming onto my property. In 2005 or so it was someone shooting squirrels on a road a quarter of a mile away, but some kind of a weird hillside dynamic seems to have allowed the bullets to come up and into my pole barn where the man who worked for me then and I were standing. Very scary to have bullets whiz by us. But the Sheriff was able to go find the squirrel hunter and get them to stop. No problem, all were polite and professional and I was grateful.
Next time was around 2012 when my former neighbor had died and his methamphetamine addicted felon son was hallucinating "that bad guys were coming to get him. He was standing at the top of a hill shooting high powered rifles down the 1/2 mile gravel road all the way to the highway. Neighbors that I called blocked the entrance to the road from the highway to prevent someone accidentally driving up it and getting shot. The Sheriff's Department had to send a swat team out, which took over an hour to assemble. That was a nightmare. Again, professionally handled and taken care of.
But just this last month, when bullets almost hit another worker near my barn, when I called the response was completely different. I was told that the people a quarter of a mile away who claimed to be shooting squirrels were allowed to shoot squirrels on their own property. And that unless someone was shot, or my car or house windows were shot out, to leave the Sheriff's Department alone and to stop bothering them! I was to stop bothering the Sheriff's Department unless someone had been shot or property damage had occurred.
What does this suggest? That there are so many shootings that they cannot be bothered with dealing with accidental stray shootings? That they have so many actual mortalities that just bullets whizzing by is not something that they have the time to address?
The people who were doing the squirrel shooting post lots of MTG stuff on their business website and just moved in a few years ago. Many neighbors call and complain to the Sheriff's Department about them. Is this because they (the Sheriff's Department) are sympathetic to these people and I just got lumped in with the other callers in the area, who have called for their own other reasons?
Who knows, but I would agree that the whole gun thing is so out of control, even here in California. A state with much stricter rules and regulations about firearms.
Not one of the reported shootings as of late surprises me at all. All one has to do is listen to the crazed AM radio guys or Faux news and the paranoia is just out of the ballpark.
ret5hd
(22,502 posts)for this particular situation (squirrel hunting) I wonder if the game ranger might be a better option. Maybe not affiliated with the people, and also knowledgable about any game/shooting laws.
NickB79
(20,356 posts)Not the tree squirrels that have a hunting season and one eats.
Ground squirrels are common across the US, basically a smaller version of a prairie dog that you can shoot year-round with no license because they're considered an agricultural pest. So, game warden wouldn't be any help either.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Legal Status
The California Fish and Game Code classifies ground squirrels as nongame mammals. An owner or tenant can control (take), in any legal manner, nongame mammals that are injuring growing crops or other property. Some species of tree squirrels, on the other hand, are classified as game animals (with a hunting season) that cannot be taken without a permit. See the Pest Notes: Tree Squirrels for more information.
No license is required for the management of California ground squirrels if it is the owner or tenant who is taking damaging ground squirrels. A trapping license from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is required for those who are trapping squirrels for hire or profit.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 20, 2023, 10:01 PM - Edit history (1)
and how the Sheriffs Department is responding now, versus in the past.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)license in which case you could make a case with the S.O..
One would think that having bullets whizz by should be enough for a Sheriff to write him up for 'unsafe shooting', geeez.
You're probably correct, guns are too normalized.
Ya know, I don't think that firing into, over or from a roadway or easement is legal. You might look that up.
Are you up near of north of the Ukiah area or way up toward Shasta?
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)he's shooting?
Having a pump shotgun around might not be a bad idea anyway, you could go with bird or buckshot. That would make an impression.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)I will. In the meantime, I just wanted to share to DU members this apparent change in attitude and response.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)trespassing. You may want to look at that.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)will not respond anymore unless someone is injured or there is property damage.
Either they are too busy with actual shootings or these new neighbors are their friends. Or both.
But, thanks for the good idea about reporting it as a trespass.
marybourg
(13,640 posts)life-threatening events, like bullets entering your property, occur. If you dont, and something serious happens, you may be considered negligent also.
Rebl2
(17,743 posts)Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)and talk face to face after writing a letter.
marybourg
(13,640 posts)Nevilledog
(55,082 posts)Bristlecone
(11,111 posts)Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)Things have indeed changed.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,957 posts)Red Mountain
(2,344 posts)Neighbors kids were shooting at 'squirrels'. Bullets whizzing through the trees and one hole in our siding. Not the first time for us or our neighbors.
Called the local sheriff and got.....not much. They said they would talk to them. Pretty sure they didn't bother.
I followed up with my neighbor. Not poor, educated but slimy. More than a little bit of a grifter.
Told him that I had called the law. Also that if any member of my family or any of my animals got hurt in the future I wouldn't bother to call them. I was careful not to directly threaten him.
Never happened again.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)I am glad you did.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)stand on your own property and shoot in the direction of the squirrel hunter.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)erronis
(23,882 posts)might work.
We have an army ammo training base near us. I'm guessing very large rounds (155?) going at 5-10 pops per second. I'll record an audio for you if you'd like.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)Although my big fun idea was to go record Junior High bands practicing and blast that first. Then Opera. But yours is a novel idea.
lastlib
(28,271 posts)Lou Reed album, Metal Machine Music.
Two minutes of it, at 100+ decibels, and he'll be screamin' for Mama. (Wear earmuffs when you play it....)
Maru Kitteh
(31,763 posts)slightlv
(7,790 posts)Fla_Democrat
(2,622 posts)I know I didn't just read that someone should get a gun, and shoot in the direction of someone else.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)seem to see nothing wrong with the squirrel-hunting neighbor firing a gun in his direction, and he's nearly hit by bullets.
Fla_Democrat
(2,622 posts)Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Ida B. Wells, and have posted her quote more times than I can recall at this moment.
" Of the many inhuman outrages of this present year, the only case where the proposed lynching did not occur, was where the men armed themselves in Jacksonville, Fla., and Paducah, Ky, and prevented it. The only times an Afro-American who was assaulted got away has been when he had a gun and used it in self-defense.
The lesson this teaches and which every Afro-American should ponder well, is that a Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give. When the white man who is always the aggressor knows he runs as great risk of biting the dust every time his Afro-American victim does, he will have greater respect for Afro-American life. The more the Afro-American yields and cringes and begs, the more he has to do so, the more he is insulted, outraged and lynched." https://brian.carnell.com/articles/2017/ida-b-wells-on-gun-ownership/
I've always found it interesting that she specifically mentioned the Winchester rifle, which in the time of her quote, would have been a weapon of war, a military grade weapon. Pretty sure it was the same rifle Captain Nathan Algren was hawking in the beginning of The Last Samurai. But, I digress.....
The part of her quote... " and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give." doesn't seem to fit in this situation. Or at least, there are too many questions raised to say it in fact, does.
Clearly a deputy went out there, unless the dispatcher is clairvoyant, and knew what reason the shooter would claim. I am sure the shooter denied aiming at others property, and it becomes a he said/he said. Should the department put someone out on stake out? Maybe set up a chronograph to detect any high velocity objects flying through the air? With out physical evidence, a broken window, a slug in a car or house siding, a bleeding person, there is nothing to act on.
That being said..... maybe, if it is wrong for squirrel hunter to shoot indiscriminately, it is just as wrong for home owner to "stand on your own property and shoot in the direction of the squirrel hunter." But, I'm new here, still learning the rules governing firearms in good ol DU:GD.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Guns Discussion.
And yes you read that. We are against gun violence but not all gun violence...
Fla_Democrat
(2,622 posts)all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
usonian
(25,325 posts)Foothills, and there's always someone playing with their toys. Maybe I'm lucky and they like shooting down canyons for the reverb, but I'm always worried, and take my activities to the opposite side of the house.
multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)against the current one. If so donate and vote.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)wing guy who wanted to remove all the concealed carry restrictions.
The Sheriffs Deputies were all for the super right wing guy. Our current Sheriff won on not repealing any gun laws.
James48
(5,215 posts)Is that a good squirrel with a gun?
Or a bad squirrel with a gun?
?FunnyWarAnimalSqu11
LiberalArkie
(19,807 posts)Rebl2
(17,743 posts)They used to care and now they dont.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)against a guy running to repeal all the concealed carry permit requirements.
But the deputies are new, and maybe that is the thing. The newer deputies were all for the guy who wanted to repeal restrictions on concealed carry.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)Dispatcher refused to do anything, because he wasn't a threat.
Five minutes later, he started shooting people. By the time the cops considered it a actual threat three people, iirc, were dead.
Really wish I could remember where this happened, though I suppose that its broad enough for it to be a common occurrence these days. Welcome to the new normal I guess.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)I wonder what it will take for sensible gun regulation to occur.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Local stories, national stories. It's incredible.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)I only shared this to show how the response has changed over the decades.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Im so sorry you're having to put up with that.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)are mounting for us sll, it seems.
slightlv
(7,790 posts)it sounds like they've already declared war on us and are picking us off one by one, if not by mass. I hate to say this because I HATE guns in this environment, but maybe it's time the guns were turned on them?!
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)Might be described as a guerrilla civil war.
Only guerrilla because so many people cannot seem to believe it. These crazy off type authoritarians used to be just ignored. Now they have seized control of the Courts, local law enforcement, local schools, libraries. And the House of Representatives. We remain in precarious times.
Moosepoop
(2,075 posts)If the county law enforcement won't act, try calling the state.
https://www.chp.ca.gov/notify-chp
I don't know how effective that might be in California, but here in Michigan calling the state police gets action when the local law enforcement is lacking. It might be worth a try, anyway.
Good luck, and stay safe!!
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)if and when they start in again, I will keep that in mind.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Ive never met one that was worth a tinkers damn. Not a single one.
Martin68
(27,749 posts)witnessed over time a change in the attitude of local law enforcement towards crimes or incidents involving firearms. That change seems to be in the direction of feeling that unless a serious crime has taken place, - murder, serious physical injury, robbery - the misuse of firearms, and a disregard for basic gun safety procedures, is no longer considered worthy of law enforcement time and resources.
I would like to suggest that conservatives across the nation, and local law enforcement authorities (who generally lean towards the conservative side of the political spectrum), have decided that any action taken against the public misuse of firearms - even when they spur local citizens to report them when they feel endangered - is no longer to be responded to because right wing politicians will bring the full force of local government down on anybody who "complains" about anything remotely related to guns. Any hint of gun safety laws are considered dangerous and a serious threat to gun rights, and citizen reports are viewed in that light.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)Thank you!
I was not seeking advice, I was just trying to share this personal observation, that you have articulated far more succinctly.
Martin68
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talking about. Great examples, and clear plea for a better understanding of the issue.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)DBoon
(24,988 posts)That and anyone who complains about firearm misuse gets tagged as a gun grabbing "lib" who should be humored at best.
Old Crank
(7,078 posts)Perhaps a short presentation at the county commissioners meeting. Can be in public comments about the lack of response. They can take no action then and have little jurisdiction but might talk to the sheriff because they don't want to get dragged into the issue.
If you can find damage document it.
Good luck.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)Find out if that non-response is policy or not.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)thanks.
Ellipsis
(9,454 posts)Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)intrepidity
(8,582 posts)He's a compulsive critter hunter/digger.
If those guns are filling those rodents with lead, that's also very bad for the birds and other scavengers. Wonder if/when Fish & Game will do anything about that?
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)yes, always an issue with these varmint hunting. I think CA banned lead a while ago.
iscooterliberally
(3,157 posts)I don't know how far you are from the closest police station, but I would file a report with each incident if you can. That way you start building a well documented case. It's a lot harder for the cops to just blow you off when you're right in front of them demanding to file a report. You want it well documented that these bullets are coming from another property in case someone does get killed or injured. You need to protect yourself from the worst outcome. If you can take a witness with you to file that report, all the better. Once the incident is in an official report that changes everything. Good luck!
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)in the attitude of law enforcement around my area.
sir pball
(5,340 posts)Obviously your sheriff doesn't care, so you'll either teach them a lesson, or
well, a few less of that family alive to vote is good.
Not like you're endangering anything of value.
Fla_Democrat
(2,622 posts)sir pball
(5,340 posts)Using words doesn't work on them. The only thing that will correct them is an overwhelming response, ten bullets for every one they fire. A perforated home is the only message their animal brains understand. It's so cute you think you can deal with these creatures like they're human
Fla_Democrat
(2,622 posts)other people think they are.
You do you, Boo. Stack up and teach them 'animals' a lesson. Let us know how it works out for you.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)though it would be very protective of the people who come to help me work on my farm.
I wrote this post to show how things have changed with law enforcements interest and or ability to deal with bullets straying off of peoples properties.
sir pball
(5,340 posts)Animals only understand force the creatures shooting at you won't understand police, nor lawsuits, nor restraining orders. The only language these feral critters speak is bullets, I'd answer in kind. What are they gonna do, call the cops?
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)but the purpose of my post was to share how things have changed in regards response by authorities to gunfire incidents.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Have had a similar problem. On Amazon you can buy a megaphone with Siren 50 Watt Law Enforcement Bullhorn.. I hear shots, I use the police bullhorn. They think the cops are coming. It kind of confuses them and they usually stop. I mainly got it to call my dogs if either one gets out of my range.
Tumbulu
(6,630 posts)my sheep and make the dogs all go crazy. But so do the gun shots.
Thanks for the idea!
I posted this to illuminate the change in the reaction of law enforcement over two decades to gun fire incidents in my area.