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Bucky

(53,998 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:20 PM Nov 2012

When Reagan won...

When Reagan won in 1980, my dad had a dream that night that there'd be a new war real soon and that I was getting drafted to go fight it. I was 17. I had passed out flyers and bumper stickers for John Anderson (don't ask) and on election night I was all like, "Well, shit that sucks. I can't imagine how bad this'll be."

I expected the country would endure, because I have faith in America. By 1984 it seemed pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a new Vietnam (El Salvador or Nicaragua were the leading candidates, if you remember those days). And the country endured.

In 1988, when Poppy Bush won, I remember telling my college professor, "Well, shit, can't the Democrats do anything right?" But again, I never doubted the country would survive. I was too familiar with how economics work and how, even if the unions were getting screwed, the economy would always be changing and our people will always find a way to get through and even prosper a little.

In 1992, I got drunk on Election Night, danced in front of lesbian oompah band while wearing a fish tie, crashed in a hotel room with a woman I never even touched, and then had to climb over the Astrodome chain-link fence in order to get to my car and make it to work on time.

In 2000 I couldn't believe those fuckers stole it. I agreed with my mom when she said, "I'm sure the Republic will survive four years of George W. Bush." I was amazed at how many ways the BushCo crew found to fuck things up--from ignoring terrorist warnings to eating pretzels wrong--but the ship of state came out battered and still seaworthy after even eight years of Dick Cheney and that little obscene monkey he answered to. I never doubted that we would. Even when the banks looted the country first and the government second, I had faith in America. We have the incredible ability to adapt and overcome in the Land of the Free. Even bad governance, even monstrous fiscal malfeasance can't change that.

This past week, the Republicans lost an election. It was close, to their credit. Like Kerry's 48%, this year's Republican ticket made a respectable showing in the polls (if still disreputable in their ads and talking points). Without an honest fact to stand of, Romney still managed to hold a sitting president down below 51%.

But lots of Republicans, Twitterers all, many of them following cues from their leadership, don't seem to have faith in America. They're calling this the end of America, imagining apocalyptic scenarios of FEMA camps, mobs of looting welfare recipients, spinning wild tales of "takers and makers." This, sadly, speaks to a lack of character. I don't know when they put their faith in--it seems to be hatred of other people with different ideas than them--but it's not in the resilience of the United States and our long long history of triumphing over adversity, helping each other out, fixing problems, and allowing for personal liberty.

Without losing much personal liberty themselves in their own individual lives, they seem to imagine that liberty is somehow on the verge of being lost. They won't be able to name any valid examples, except maybe airport gropings. They decry government overregulation in general without citing specific incidents where it's prevented job creation. They pull out their hair screaming about socialism, but can't really name anything outside of the healthcare industry where the government has taken over any industry--even the now surging auto and banking industries saw only government investment and hardly any government oversight of how factories would be retooled and reformed.

How can you scream at phantoms and never bother to gather evidence that they exist? The same way, I suppose, I keep enduring a sequence of Republican victories that boggle my mind. I have faith. The only difference is that they have faith in hatred of the tribe of liberals and the world-ending nightmares our victories bring about. As a liberal Democrat, I just have faith in the good old US of A. Even when we lose elections--and don't you worry, it'll happen again--the country just keeps on chugging along. I wish I could share my faith with them. But in the Land of the Free, I guess they're entitled to have any kind of faith they want.

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When Reagan won... (Original Post) Bucky Nov 2012 OP
Very well written. nt aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #1
Agree! gateley Nov 2012 #2
When Bush was selected in 2000 and 2004, I know many of us were angry, NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #3
I remember the 2004 "our real names" thread. We weren't afraid. Bucky Nov 2012 #6
oh, come on. I was on FR mostly back then aletier_v Nov 2012 #9
You skipped 1996, 2004, and 2008 Ter Nov 2012 #4
Grading student essays. I'll never top 1992. Bucky Nov 2012 #7
When Regan Won- ruffburr Nov 2012 #5
Don't misunderestimate them. Democrats_win Nov 2012 #8
I don't dismiss those terrible things. But Granada wasn't a Vietnam. Bucky Nov 2012 #10

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
3. When Bush was selected in 2000 and 2004, I know many of us were angry,
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:34 PM
Nov 2012

disappointed, and maybe a little scared. But we didn't lose our heads. We didn't go around screaming about revolution or the end of the world or any of this nonsense. Maybe a few of us did. Maybe on a particularly bad day some of us lost it and went on a rant. But for the most part, we picked ourselves up and figured out what we needed to do to try to make sure Bush didn't wreck the country too badly. We protested peacefully, we "CALLED CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!1", we got to work on the next elections.

On a related note, I would be happy to have a sane Republican party that ran reasonable candidates. I'd love it if Republicans ran people who we could disagree with but not be terrified of if they won.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
6. I remember the 2004 "our real names" thread. We weren't afraid.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:50 PM
Nov 2012

We were defiant. We were small-d democrats. We were already picking ourselves up and getting ready for 4 more years of Bush. It was that American can-do spirit than beat the Depression, licked the Nazis, tamed the West, and ran the Indians off their land. To this day, I'm convinced that the Anti-War Movement of the 2000s stopped the NeoCons from starting up a 3rd war against Iran or Somalia. Those bastards wanted it and the "defeated" Democratic coalition wouldn't let them have it.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
9. oh, come on. I was on FR mostly back then
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:46 PM
Nov 2012

but I remember a lot of "we must secede" postings here on DU.

And "which way to Canada" postings. too.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
7. Grading student essays. I'll never top 1992.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:52 PM
Nov 2012

I don't even think I could climb a fence these days.

ruffburr

(1,190 posts)
5. When Regan Won-
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

Here in ca. I pulled up to the voting booth as the radio was announcing Ronny's win, I did not Vote after that for many years, Till Butthead Bush came along, Since then I've fought voted demonstrated etc. To save this democracy from R.W. morons and their neocon P.N.A.C. agenda, And I'm a 59 yr old white guy, So what does that say? About their supposed base? BTW. I judge people on whether they are good hearted or not,No black or brown,gay or whatever If your a asshole your an asshole,Seems like that means the whole Republican Tea Bag party of lies and schemes ARE ASSHOLES Period

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
8. Don't misunderestimate them.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:41 PM
Nov 2012

I love what was written here especially since it has a historical POV. I want to read things like this.

Yet, I don't think it's entirely correct. Ask the Iraqis. Ask the homeless that Reagan created. Note, Reagan had big war-type losses in Beruit, he had Grenada, and if it weren't for caring liberals, we certainly would have gone to war in Nicaragua or Hondorous.

What about the victims of 9/11? Ask your friends in the middle class who, together lost one trillion dollars during the bush follies. Collectively, we may be slightly ok but it still sucks.

Worse, don't you get the feeling that we're like the man falling off of a tall building who was rumored to have said, "So far so good?" The deficit may have no real meaning, but the personal debt that has exploded since Reagan became POTUS is a real problem. Then there's the "three-strikes" rule in CA. Wow, what a terrible thing! The end result of it all is that Americans are less human. Although this isn't true of DU, it is very true of our society at large. Life is good, but much less so in America because of Reagan, the bushes, and to a degree Clinton.


Bucky

(53,998 posts)
10. I don't dismiss those terrible things. But Granada wasn't a Vietnam.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 08:05 PM
Nov 2012

And the losses in Beirut were from isolated terror incidents, not "war-type" losses. When American blood was shed, Reagan followed the popular will and bugged out. These are terrible, tragic incidents you mention. I don't belittle any of them. But this is what I mean by "battered and still seaworthy." It wasn't the apocalypse the sore loser Republicans are ready to embrace today. They almost seem to want America to "fall" (whatever that entails) just to have their deranged Manichaean world views validated. We have troubles, but none of them will be existential for another hundred years (that's when rising sea levels will start to threaten our "way of life&quot . Even the fiscal cliff the press is moaning about is really just a fiscal curb--a bump, not a crash.

BTW, wasn't that three strikes law modified just this week by the voters?

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