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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(137,034 posts)
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:16 PM Apr 2023

Texas Senate approves bills requiring 10 Commandments in K-12 classrooms, Bible time in school

The Texas Senate approved a bill Thursday that would require public schools in the state to prominently display the Ten Commandments in every classroom, starting next school year, The Texas Tribune reports. The bill's sponsor, state Sen. Phil King (R), argued earlier this month that the Ten Commandments are part of American heritage, and his legislation "will remind students all across Texas of the importance of the fundamental foundation of America."

The state Senate also gave final passage to legislation that would allow public and charter schools to require that time be set aside for students and employees to party and read the Bible or other religions texts. The bills are "the latest attempt from Texas Republicans to inject religion into public schools," the Tribune reports. In 2021, the state Legislature passed a law require schools to display "In God We Trust" signs donated by community members.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick backs both bills, calling them wins for religion freedom. "Bringing the Ten Commandments and prayer back to our public schools will enable our students to become better Texans.," he said in a statement. Proponents of the bills argue they will withstand challenges on constitutional grounds after the Supreme Court ruled last year that a Washington State high school football coach could pray at football games.

John Litzler, general counsel for the Texas Baptists Christian Life Commission, told the Senate his organization opposed taxpayer money being used on religious texts and religious education. "I should have the right to introduce my daughter to the concepts of adultery and coveting one's spouse," Litzler said in a committee hearing. "It shouldn't be one of the first things she learns to read in her kindergarten classroom."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-senate-approves-bills-requiring-053832316.html

The Texas Taliban

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Texas Senate approves bills requiring 10 Commandments in K-12 classrooms, Bible time in school (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2023 OP
Will Hindu and Buddhist kids get to see symbols of their religions, too? Ocelot II Apr 2023 #1
I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count Takket Apr 2023 #6
For those kids it's religious persecution. GoodRaisin Apr 2023 #15
UN CONSTITUTIONAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trueblue1968 Apr 2023 #33
LOL, what a garbage state. Wingus Dingus Apr 2023 #2
Michigan giving religious holidays off and now this. jimfields33 Apr 2023 #13
I had students off today for Eid. Igel Apr 2023 #17
it really is. I'm hoping to leave it within the next 2 years. Javaman Apr 2023 #14
I'm considering Florida a garbage state as well--can't imagine why Wingus Dingus Apr 2023 #16
I think FL has been heading down that path since the late 90s. It Carlitos Brigante Apr 2023 #19
Lol @ short boy syndrome freak! ecstatic Apr 2023 #29
If Republicans win in 2024 and have a majority, we are going to be a fascist theocracy. Oneironaut Apr 2023 #3
+1 TheRealNorth Apr 2023 #8
How is that different from the other version of the religion? ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #20
Can my kid pray to the West? LakeArenal Apr 2023 #4
But cilla4progress Apr 2023 #5
Demand equal time ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #21
Yeah, there will be an injunction within a day or two. Just stupid. kysrsoze Apr 2023 #7
Yeah, because we all know Christians never do anything wrong. Farmer-Rick Apr 2023 #9
Lawsuits galore............. Lovie777 Apr 2023 #10
Why just ten? OilemFirchen Apr 2023 #11
We didn't even have that in Utah. The public school leftyladyfrommo Apr 2023 #12
Religious Imposition. Religion is the problem. It has to be OK to say this out loud lindysalsagal Apr 2023 #18
3.32 billion in Federal funding for Texas schools. sarcasmo Apr 2023 #22
Want To Have Some Fun With A Talibangelical? ChoppinBroccoli Apr 2023 #23
Yes! As a former Catholic Retrograde Apr 2023 #26
I have an issue with this post. Captain Stern Apr 2023 #28
And then Texas children will realize that Republicans are guilty of violating DemocraticPatriot Apr 2023 #24
I like John Litzler jmowreader Apr 2023 #25
Best part of the article.. Captain Stern Apr 2023 #27
Total crap, but I would go for the Golden Rule....that seems to be completely forgotten by MAGAS NowsTheTime Apr 2023 #30
Nothing more foundational in American law, right, than the Second Commandment Goodheart Apr 2023 #31
Roll out the lawsuit... My son is in Texas. I would be glad to join JCMach1 Apr 2023 #32
So, they are forcing kids to pray and Bettie Apr 2023 #34

GoodRaisin

(11,015 posts)
15. For those kids it's religious persecution.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 04:50 PM
Apr 2023

Being forced to take part in religious beliefs not part of their religious beliefs. Horrible, unconstitutional law. Un-American.

Igel

(37,608 posts)
17. I had students off today for Eid.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 05:52 PM
Apr 2023

They must be allowed to make up the work, with no penalty for not being present.

That's required from above the district.

I live in Texas.

Javaman

(65,974 posts)
14. it really is. I'm hoping to leave it within the next 2 years.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 04:41 PM
Apr 2023

florida thinks they know fascism, but in texas, it's deeply engrained.

you get rid of desatan and his crew, fascism is gone.

you get rid of abbot and his crew, fascism is still here.

they have gerrymandered the state to within an inch of it's life. and are now taking over cities school programs.

the latest is that asshole abbott wants to do away with Austin's ability to govern the city of Austin. using the very flimsy argument that it's the seat of the state capital and the local authority should control what happens in the city.

and I bet you he gets away with it.

asshole abbott hates living in a blue city.

Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
16. I'm considering Florida a garbage state as well--can't imagine why
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 05:43 PM
Apr 2023

they support a governor who's doing everything possible to cripple their golden goose (Disney, of course) and is willfully damaging public education and universities. I'm not sure that their sudden love of fascism is temporary.

 

Carlitos Brigante

(26,848 posts)
19. I think FL has been heading down that path since the late 90s. It
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 06:34 PM
Apr 2023

doesn't help that the Democratic party there is in shambles. For fuck's sake, they elected a Medicare fraudster and part time mutant from "The Hills Have Eyes", with the charisma of a serial killer as Governor. Before we even got to this current, short boy syndrome freak.

ecstatic

(35,131 posts)
29. Lol @ short boy syndrome freak!
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 08:05 AM
Apr 2023

Pleaseeee get rid of tiny d. He is going to lose Florida a lot of money. Florida is about to become one of my 'do not visit' states, alongside Texas and some other states that I've never considered visiting regardless (Idaho, SD, etc).

Oneironaut

(6,318 posts)
3. If Republicans win in 2024 and have a majority, we are going to be a fascist theocracy.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:19 PM
Apr 2023

Texas and Florida are canaries in the coal mine of what Republicans will do all over the country.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
8. +1
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:30 PM
Apr 2023

They want to shove their perverted, misogynistic, and hateful version of Christianity down our throats.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
20. How is that different from the other version of the religion?
Sat Apr 22, 2023, 06:32 PM
Apr 2023

Do I really need to point out to you all of the misogyny and hate in the second part of the book they follow? Or how the deity of that part of the book said that he had no intention of changing all of the old book's sexist and hateful "laws?"

And do explain how it isn't hateful for a religion to have at its core the belief that people who disagree with the religion deserve to be beaten and burned and abused, for all time after their death, with no mercy and no relief?

I can't wait to hear how that's a "loving" thing to do, to anyone.

cilla4progress

(26,526 posts)
5. But
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:20 PM
Apr 2023

Im an animist.

Equal time?

What will the non-xtian kids do?

White christian supremacy = biggest national threat

Farmer-Rick

(12,773 posts)
9. Yeah, because we all know Christians never do anything wrong.
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:40 PM
Apr 2023

Except for the constant pedophilia, general child abuse and sexual misconduct in their churches. Every Christian I know has done as much, or more, immoral, unethical and toxic behavior as any atheist I know.

But why does the Christian religion require partying in schools?

From the post: "require that time be set aside for students and employees to party and read the Bible."????

Party, party, party.

Lovie777

(23,564 posts)
10. Lawsuits galore.............
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:45 PM
Apr 2023

I know RWers want to ignore US history of truth...............

Many came here from Europe because of "freedom of choice re: religion.

leftyladyfrommo

(20,024 posts)
12. We didn't even have that in Utah. The public school
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 03:58 PM
Apr 2023

Building was separate from the church school building.

lindysalsagal

(22,984 posts)
18. Religious Imposition. Religion is the problem. It has to be OK to say this out loud
Fri Apr 21, 2023, 06:24 PM
Apr 2023

because this was the GQP strategy all along. There is no longer any line between religion and politics when it comes to the GQP.

TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,900 posts)
23. Want To Have Some Fun With A Talibangelical?
Sat Apr 22, 2023, 10:43 PM
Apr 2023

Here are a couple of questions to ask them.

1. Which version of the Ten Commandments should be posted? The Jewish, Catholic, or Protestant version? Better yet, post all 3 and then set aside classroom time so the teacher can explain why they're different.

2. Should we then post a blank piece of paper right next to them so students can then list all the Commandments their hero #OneTermDonnie HASN'T broken?

3. If abortion and homosexuality are the biggest sins there are (along with drag shows, apparently), where are they on the Top 10 list?

4. This one is the most fun. If we are to believe that some dude named Jesus came along and overruled all the Mosaic Laws (which the Ten Commandments are), why are we posting obsolete laws in the schools? Watch all the blank stares of Talibangelicals who have no idea what you're talking about here.

Retrograde

(11,442 posts)
26. Yes! As a former Catholic
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 03:31 AM
Apr 2023

I have no problems with graven images. But I do tend to take the lord's name in vain a lot.

IIRC, Jesus actually said that there were only two commandments: honor the Lord thy God, and Love they neighbor as yourself. But if we're going full Leviticus, there are a lot more commandments than the Big Ten - shouldn't all of those be posted as well? And in what languages?

Captain Stern

(2,254 posts)
28. I have an issue with this post.
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 07:20 AM
Apr 2023

You clearly stated that you had "a couple of questions to ask them"......then you proceeded to list four questions. No reasonable person would argue that that wasn't deceptive.

Kidding aside, ask them how many of the ten commandments are now law? (They'll probably say not enough).

But the truth is, breaking most of the ten commandments isn't illegal.

I'm going to give them the 'not stealing', 'not murdering/killing' and 'bearing false witness (perjury?)..but other than that, the rest of the commandments are pretty much treated like suggestions.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me": Totally legal to have other gods.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image": yup..legal also to have graven images.

"Thou shalt not commit adultery": yes, legal to commit adultery

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy": nobody cares.

"Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's (fill in the blank).: That's basically just a thought crime. Not illegal.

"Honor thy Mother and Father": again not illegal to not honor/obey them. And the bible even gives an 'out' on that. It says you don't have to honor or obey them if they are telling you to break one of the other commandments, which kind of makes this commandment useless.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
24. And then Texas children will realize that Republicans are guilty of violating
Sat Apr 22, 2023, 11:02 PM
Apr 2023

a healthy number of those commandments,
especially the one that says

"Thou Shalt Not Lie"....


Captain Stern

(2,254 posts)
27. Best part of the article..
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 06:25 AM
Apr 2023
The state Senate also gave final passage to legislation that would allow public and charter schools to require that time be set aside for students and employees to party and read the Bible or other religions texts.


There might be a silver lining here.

My idea of partying doesn't include reading the Bible or other religious texts.....but to each his own, right?
 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
31. Nothing more foundational in American law, right, than the Second Commandment
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 10:08 AM
Apr 2023

"I Yahweh, thy God, am a jealous god, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…"

In American law we always (and should) punish the children, grandchildren, their children and their grandchildren for a man's crimes. Amiright?

JCMach1

(29,236 posts)
32. Roll out the lawsuit... My son is in Texas. I would be glad to join
Sun Apr 23, 2023, 11:28 AM
Apr 2023

You can't just ignore the establishment clause!

Bettie

(19,832 posts)
34. So, they are forcing kids to pray and
Mon Apr 24, 2023, 07:37 PM
Apr 2023

read the holy book of one specific religion? Texas now has an established compulsory religion in the state?

You'd think that would be against the Constitution, but, with the current SCOTUS, it's probably coming to a bunch of other states sooner than later.

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