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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOH-SEN: Ohio GOP Senate candidate Bernie Moreno calls for reparations for white people
On Tuesday, far-right Republican and Donald Trump-affiliated businessman Bernie Moreno called for reparations for white people who died in the Civil War as he announced his candidacy for a U.S. Senate seat in Ohio.
While speaking at his rally, Moreno reminisced about American history and how he thinks that because northerners died in the Civil War warrants white people getting reparations.
That same group of people later, white people, died to free Black people, Moreno said. Its never happened in human history before, but it happened here in America. Thats not talked about in schools very much, is it? They make it sound like America is a racist, broken country. Name another country that did that, freed slaves, that died to do that. You know, when they talk about reparations, where are the reparations for the people in the North who died to save the lives of Black people? I know its not politically correct to say that, but we gotta stop being politically correct. We gotta call it how it is.
Moreno, who emigrated to the U.S. from Colombia when he was five years old, did not comment on the decades-long effort for reparations for American slavery.
Moreno will attempt to get the GOP nomination to challenge incumbent Sen. Sherod Brown (D) in 2024. This isnt the first time Moreno has run for the Senate, as he sought Ohios other Senate seat in 2022 but he dropped out of the Republican primary after a private meeting with Trump. Another Trump ally, J.D. Vance, went on to win that seat after defeating Democrat Tim Ryan.
https://heartlandsignal.com/2023/04/21/ohio-gop-senate-candidate-bernie-moreno-calls-for-reparations-for-white-people/
dalton99a
(81,566 posts)FWIW:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ohio-republican-senate-candidate-running-trump-ally-once-called-him-n1263886
Ohio Republican Senate candidate running as a Trump ally once called him a 'maniac'
Bernie Moreno said Donald Trump was a "lunatic invading the party" in 2016. Now he's cozying up to the former president and his supporters.
Diamond_Dog
(32,045 posts)Im sure they will all try. ☹️
Ohio is lost. Gone. Overtaken by the loons.
tinymontgomery
(2,584 posts)All the former confederate states have to pay all the Northern states reparations. A easy way
would be to have the southern states stop taking tax dollars that the blue states pay into federal government.
keithbvadu2
(36,876 posts)Republican admits Civil War was about slavery.
But only the white people who died to free the slaves get reparations?
Turbineguy
(37,364 posts)if you want to be noticed in the republican party.
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 22, 2023, 02:27 PM - Edit history (2)
And similar organizations! My extended family had several young men die fighting to free the slaves! One of them was a 16-year-old drummer boy (George S. Barnes) who was captured with a minor wound and then slowly tortured to death over 3 years in a pro-slavery confederate prison camp. Many members of my family then went through horrible poverty (including actual starvation for a few days a few times) during that Great Depression. My mother was not suffering too much to notice, however, that the Black people were suffering even worse, ALSO too skinny, and trudging around looking terrified and exhausted, "like they were carrying 9,000 pounds on their backs." Later in life, when she had gained a little weight due to eating every day, she was glad that the civil right era had given the Black people some access to a decent life. So that her family's sacrifices had not been in vain, after all. My mother LOVED Martin Luther King and his cohorts. She was glad to go downtown to the legal secretary job she had finally won, and see a lot of Black people ALSO hurrying around to good jobs, and, like her, ALSO "well-dressed and fat and sassy." She said it was "just the berries!" for her. That is how the descendants of the REAL white victims of the Southern pro-slavery rebellion feel.
ExciteBike66
(2,372 posts)How quick do you think some southern trump-humpers will put a hit on this guy?
Anyway yeah, America did free the slaves! Except, of course, America had to have slaves first in order to free them, soooo....
sheshe2
(83,855 posts)yardwork
(61,698 posts)sheshe2
(83,855 posts)Paladin
(28,271 posts)The GOP is coming apart faster than I can keep track of. I hope Sherod Brown makes this jerk disappear.
Maeve
(42,287 posts)It just gets harder and harder to admit I'm an Ohioan....
live love laugh
(13,124 posts)emulatorloo
(44,171 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,281 posts)Need to get a rumor started that that's exactly what he's pushing for.
Celerity
(43,485 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,045 posts)yardwork
(61,698 posts)Nobody was fighting to free Black people. Southern states seceded from the nation because they wanted to expand slavery into the newly acquired states in the West. Northern states fought to keep the insurrectionists in the United States. There was no intention of freeing the slaves in existing Southern states. Lincoln declared the slaves emancipated as a way to win the war.
The South started the war by attempting to secede. The North stopped them. Neither side had any heroic intentions regarding slaves.
raging moderate
(4,308 posts)And they had learned enough about Abraham Lincoln to know that he, too, hated slavery. And that he had only softened his remarks on the subject to win votes. And that he was able to read and listen and observe, and learn, and change, and grow. And they were so boiling mad about the various lies, subterfuges, and bullying atrocities pulled by the other side that his little white lie was fine with them. Probably there were rumors about how James Buchanan and his little slaveowner friends had been secretly stockpiling weapons in various slaveowners' states in preparation for the Civil War they were already planning. My great-grandmother was held up at one of Abraham Lincoln's campaign meetings to shake his hand, when she was four years old. And the white supremacists also knew that Abraham Lincoln hated slavery. They knew what the original Republican Party stood for, back then. They sent some of their thugs to try to assassinate him on his way into Washington DC to take office as President of the United States. And my family were never rich or well-educated or famous for anything. But they knew how to read, and they knew how to watch, and they knew how to interpret ambiguous remarks, from both sides of the great divide in this country back then.
Wednesdays
(17,402 posts)had the lines, "As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free" was not a reference to ending slavery?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic
yardwork
(61,698 posts)Caliman73
(11,744 posts)Lincoln became more whetted to the idea that Slavery had to end in order for the US to rebuild itself and be worthy of moving forward, but he certainly did not start out the war thinking that way.
Nor did the majority of Union soldiers really care as much about the abolition of slavery as they did about maintaining the Union.
We need to stop with the simplistic and moralistic mythology and come to real terms with American History. The Civil War was absolutely fought over the issue of slavery. The South wanted to expand the practice, The North wanted to keep it confined. Neither was seeking to completely abolish slavery. Neither was the war fought for "the rights of all men". It was fought to preserve the Union.
Like I said, Lincoln, under the pressure of many Northern Abolitionists began to understand that the US could never recover as long as slavery was still a practice. It may have been for Lincoln, a moral issue, but it was also a pragmatic one. The issue of Slavery would continue to be a problem and had to be resolved. The South was not going to just give up and free their slaves. They had to be defeated and MADE to do so. Even the Emancipation Proclamation was not "Freeing all the slaves". Slaves in Border states that were loyal to the Union were not freed, until the passage of the 13th Amendment.
If we continue to see our history in terms of "Good/Bad" or "Right/Wrong" we are never going to really come to grips about how strong systemic forces for White Supremacy have been and still are in the United States.
yardwork
(61,698 posts)The mythology is destroying us. Literally all our problems stem from or are exacerbated by a history that we refuse to acknowledge.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)They went to war to continue the practice in their own states. That's why they all mention maintaining their own slavery in secession proclamations.
Here is only part of what Mississippi had to say about the matter (all emphases mine):
It {the abolitionist Union} advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.
It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.
It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.
It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
So, no, it wasn't only about the territories, but also about the fear of Congress ending slavery in their own states, too.
The war wasn't about slavery in territories, but about slavery, period.
yardwork
(61,698 posts)The Union went to war to prevent the South from seceding.
ColinC
(8,325 posts)I thought these clowns insisted slavery had nothing to do with the civil war
Initech
(100,099 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,157 posts)Signed; an old white guy.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,675 posts)Great job tool box !!
I would give every white land owning male a wooden nickel for his troubles and bringing in (Reagan, Nixon, W and TFG)
and Black american people can have the multi trillions of dollars that were taken from during slave labor times and also The entire fortune of the Walton/walmart family cause they run a modern day indentured service business
roamer65
(36,747 posts)BlueCheeseAgain
(1,654 posts)If they had nominated halfway reasonable candidates in 2022, we might have lost control of the Senate.