Big Majority Don't Want Trump to Run Again

[applegrove]

Big Majority Don’t Want Trump to Run Again

April 22, 2023 at 1:12 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 84 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/22/big-majority-dont-want-trump-to-run-again/

"SNIP......

A new AP-NORC poll finds that 70% of Americans, including 44% of Republicans, do not want Donald Trump to run for president again.

........SNIP"

[ProfessorGAC]

1. I'll Bet This Won't...

...be a subject of discussion on the Sunday morning gab shows.

[Sky Jewels]

32. Maybe if they spin it as: "Why Trump's unpopularity should make Democrats worry..."

[Lunabell]

2. I can't wait for him to win the nomination!

His loss to Joe Biden will be historical and spectacular!

[Xavier Breath]

4. The first presidential candidate to ever lose

the popular vote THREE times! Woo hoo!

He'll truly be number one while still resembling a number two.

[Lunabell]

5. Lol!!

An orange pile of #2!! Americans have tfg fatigue and there's no way that he will legitimately win!

[617Blue]

22. Headline: Biden sweeps past Trump, Dems regain House and solidify control of Senate.

I can dream right?

[CaptainTruth]

43. +1000

[Ms. Toad]

57. I remember when people said that in 2016. n/t

[Stuart G]

78. Donald Trump has proved he is a stupid "idiot." Trump said the,........... "Pandemic is a HOAX"

(and Trump killed people with his words..."

READ EXACT WORDS WHERE HE SAID THIS.....3RD AND 4TH PARAGRAPHS AT LINK BELOW:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/28/trump-south-carolina-rally-coronavirus-118269

(THIRD AND FOURTH PARAGRAPHS AT LINK ABOVE)

[Ms. Toad]

79. He had proven that, and more,

Before the 2016 election. Unfortunately, that has not lessened the danger he poses as a candidate.

[Stuart G]

80. If he runs again, this "HOAX COMMENT" (above) will be repeated thousands if not millions of times.

[Ms. Toad]

81. And it will make no difference at all. N/t

[Stuart G]

82. I disagree totally. Professionals in the Republican Party, know that Trump is a ..:TOTAL LOOSER"

Over and over Trump's comment about pandemic being a "HOAX" will be repeated thousands of times.

...............(if not millions of times).............................................................................


AND PROFESSIONALS (LONG TIMERS IN THE PUKE PARTY)...KNOW TRUMP IS A LOOSER.
........................WHY??????????..................... TRUMP KILLED PEOPLE WITH THAT STATEMENT

[Ms. Toad]

86. Then, by all means, enjoy a repeat of 2016, or even the aftermath of 2020. n/t

[brush]

3. Nobody wants to go thru that road-to-fascism chaos again.

But we all know the oranage blob will run again. We just have to defeat him again.

[KS Toronado]

15. My crystal ball tells me

the G卐P will find a way to disqualify him from their ticket because they know he'll lose. But in his small brain
he believes the White House belongs to him so he'll run as a 3rd party candidate dividing the reQublicans
and giving us a big blue wave. IMO

[brush]

18. That would be wonderful. Hope it happens just that way.

[617Blue]

20. I agree. It will be Republicans who take him off the board.

Trump will lose to Biden by an un-cheatable margin and the GOP will get creamed downballot.

The question is can they do it without leaving their fingerprints on it. That will be the tricky part.

[KS Toronado]

28. Welcome to DU!

[617Blue]

30. Thank you!

[newdayneeded]

53. the only argument I have

with your point is all of the right wingers being supena'd are having to be dragged kicking and screaming to testify against trump. if the gop was planning on taking him down, I would think the memo would go out to cooperate fully, or even volunteer their information to the investigations.

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. If more indictments roll out this summer, this scenario could happen

There was an article awhile back about a small group of GOP insiders working to change the primary rules away from the current winner-take-all rules. I haven’t heard anything more about, probably because the MAGAloons are in control of the party.

However, if more indictments roll out before the GOP debates start in August, we might see a renewed push to change the rules.

[617Blue]

34. Problem with that is the rabble will get pretty bent out of shape...

if the GOP overlords decide to disenfranchise their own people (as opposed to disenfranchising college students which is OK).

And by "bent out of shape" I mean violent. Literally violent.

[Fiendish Thingy]

54. I'm not worried about that

Nothing the National Guard can’t handle.

[skylucy]

46. My dream scenario! Your crystal ball is kick ass!

[Stuart G]

83. i AGREE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY......YES, TRUMP THINKS HE CAN WIN....

Donald Trump is totally delusional. ......post 82

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. It seems a majority of Republicans are likely to make him the R candidate.

Then it's up to that "Big Majority" to get out and vote.

It worked in 2020.

[hibbing]

35. Yeah, majority of them DO want him n/t

[Stuart G]

84. And it will work again if he runs in 2024....He may not run...

Why? ......He will be too ill, or will be convinced by his family that he cannot win.

.....Why???? See above post:..........NUMBER 82...

[Lovie777]

7. And doesn't care............................

cause he's the JC of the evangelists,

[The Roux Comes First]

8. And That Will Not in the Slightest Deter this Pathetic Ego from Spiraling into the Sun Once Again!

After all, there's a chance of getting more attention.

[617Blue]

9. Bring it on! I for one am pulling for him to win the GOP nomination.

Prez Biden will beat him by 5+ million votes as downballot GOPers run for their lives.

[Meadowoak]

13. 10+Million votes.

[DFW]

10. I am not part of it

I think he would be a destructive force for the Republican Party. I give him an 80% chance of losing the nomination, and a 95% chance of losing the election if he does get the nomination. His mental and physical deterioration will only progress from here on in. Bring him on.

[senseandsensibility]

11. This is one of many cases where the base's safe space bubble

is not preparing them for reality. They will never see this poll or hear how many people hate him. They think he's God and everyone loves him. I say let them think that. Reality bites.

[Mike Nelson]

12. Huh?

... it's too late... he's running for President again.

[ShazzieB]

40. Too late...for what, exactly?

He's running, but he's not the GOP nominee yet. Primaries haven't even started.

[whopis01]

71. He is running for the GOP nomination at this time

If enough of his party don’t want him to run for President they can vote to nominate someone else.

[doc03]

14. I think anyone that is confident Biden will win may be in for a big surprise. If not for COVID

and the resulting recession Trump would have probably won in 2020. Biden's approval ratings have never gone much higher than 40%. If the
Republicans succeed in crashing the economy with higher fuel prices and default on the debt Trump could certainly be elected. All the Republicans
have to do is suppress or switch the votes in a couple states. It's always the economy and for some unknown reason Americans always think the
Republicans are better at handling the economy. I remember 2016 and the invincible Blue Wall. I am not saying we can't win but it may not be the cake walk we think.

[SouthernDem4ever]

25. We should never assume it will be a cake walk

and approach it as if our lives depended on it - because they do.

[ShazzieB]

41. Republicans are better at handling the economy? 🤔

In what respect? In whose opinion?

[DemocraticPatriot]

61. Only worthless polls...

Reagan-era hangovers...

[doc03]

73. Every poll I have ever seen on the MSM when it comes to the economy

the Republicans get the edge. It's not true but after decades of Republican "Tax and Spend" propaganda it has
has stuck.

[Meowmee]

56. this

I am somewhat amazed how over confident and unafraid many seem to be.

[betsuni]

69. Trump's median approval rating was 44%.

[doc03]

72. Biden's approval rating is no better and Trump lost reelection by 7 million votes. In 2020

we were in the middle of a pandemic and a recession. The election in 2024 is going to be totally different than
2020, Biden was able to get elected running an election from his basement.

[Sky Jewels]

74. On the other hand,

since 2020, Trump staged a coup and his Supreme Ct. stripped women of bodily autonomy. Many millions of Gen Zers have aged into voting, and many Trumpy older voters have died (some from Covid). He doesn't have the advantage of running as a sitting president. So there are many factors working against him, too.

[treestar]

16. All they have to do is not vote for him

anyone can run. I can run. I won't get any votes.

[Deuxcents]

17. My first thought was, yeah, they don't want him to run again but will they vote for him?

[Beautiful Disaster]

27. We're kinda counting on the same with Biden lol

Most don't want him to run (more for his age I'm sure as opposed to Trump, who people just hate). But we're still going to want them to vote for him if he does (and he is).

[ShazzieB]

42. Wait, who says "most" Democrats don't want Biden to run?

Got a source for this?

[Beautiful Disaster]

59. I never claimed most Democrats.

This whole post was about the general public.

But if you want to be real, the same poll in the OP shows that 52% of Democrats don't want Biden to run again:

https://apnorc.org/projects/most-democrats-would-support-biden-if-he-wins-the-nomination/

73% of all Americans don't want him to run again.

86% of independents don't want him to run again.

Really, Biden's numbers are worse than Trump's overall.

Only 14% of independents want Biden to seek reelection. 37% want Trump to seek the presidency in 2024.

So, really, more people want Trump to run than Biden to run. So, we better hope those who don't want Biden to run are still willing to vote for him.

[ShazzieB]

63. Oops, my bad.

I assumed in error that you meant Democrats because...I don't really know why! It was an unconscious jump that my mind made for some odd reason, sorry.

Thanks for the link. Those numbers are definitely not encouraging, but I need to take some time and mull over what all of this data means. (For example, just off the top of my head, if 37% of independents want Trump to run, would any of those people vote for any Democrat?)

I am honestly not personally convinced at this point that it's a terrible idea for Biden to run again. This is one poll, it's very early days, and all that. But it is helpful to know what your comment was based on.

[Beautiful Disaster]

64. I think Biden will be fine.

I do think people have doubts about his age but once he's the alternative, he'll be fine. I also think his being an incumbent is far more valuable than running a younger, inexperienced candidate who cedes incumbency.

[ShazzieB]

65. All of that makes sense to me.

When you're making a choice, knowing what options you have to choose from can make a big difference.

I love Biden myself. I think he's been doing a great job, and I believe his experience (as incumbent, and also as V.P. and all those years in the Senate) is a tremendous strength. The depth of his understanding of how things work in Washington is a very BFD, IMO.

[rzemanfl]

19. They should ask whether people want him to draw another breath.

I sure don't.

[boyedav1969]

21. Of those who don't want him to run

I'm curious how many of them will still vote for him if he is the candidate. Lack of enthusiasm can certainly affect whether or not your eligible voters become actual voters.

[kentuck]

23. But that doesn't mean they won't vote for him...

Joe Biden will not get 81 million votes in the next election.

Trump will garner a lot of Democratic votes. Just like he did the last time.

Unless he is indicted and convicted, he remains a threat to win the White House again.

[SouthernDem4ever]

26. I hope you're wrong

I would love another 4 years of a normal democracy, at least in one of our branches of govt - preferably 3.

[Beautiful Disaster]

29. Trump won 5% of Democrats in 2020.

That was actually less than the 7% Romney won in 2012.

[kentuck]

37. I believe I had read somewhere that he had won about 10% of Obama voters in 2016?

If true, that would be a huge addition to the Trump base already secured.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/upshot/the-obama-trump-voters-are-real-heres-what-they-think.html

[Beautiful Disaster]

58. In 2016, Trump saw a one-point increase over Romney among so-called Democrats.

So, even then, it seems unlikely it was, as you said, 'a lot of Democratic votes'.

Every election is a trade off.

Trump might have won 10% of Obama voters - but how many Romney voters shifted to Hillary? In 2016, she won 8% of Republican votes. That was a two-point increase over Obama's 6% in 2012.

So, the change was marginal and certainly not something I'm worried about.

My worry is turnout - getting turnout in the urban and suburban areas. That's what lost PA, MI and WI for Hillary and won it for Biden.

[ancianita]

38. 71% of Repubs said they'd vote for him. Add 5% of Dems who voted, & tfg would still lose.

He and his red legislatures threaten, but that doesn't mean Trump's a real threat. The threat is whoever can beat him in the primaries.

Youth will make up for those who stay home, and we'll still be in the 7 million winning vote range.

[Sky Jewels]

76. But a lot of people will NOT vote for him now that Roe has been nuked.

Many women who didn't care much about abortion when it was legal now suddenly care.

[Sky Jewels]

31. Ha ha!

Republicans get to choose between Trump, who is a shit sandwich, and Tiny D ... who is also a shit sandwich.

Bon appetit, ya fascist fucks!

[Emile]

33. The only good thing about Trump running

is he will bring out the democratic voters and they won't be voting for him.

[ancianita]

36. An overall 57% doesn't look like a "Big" majority. But it IS a majority.

The rest of the data show that respondents' partisan positions seem proportional to the vote count in 2020.

[Initech]

39. But he'll run just because he knows it will piss people off.

Truly he's a seriously psychotic and deranged individual.

[Evolve Dammit]

44. He still owns the party and they will all fall in line when he is nominee with MTG?? Think I'm

going to be sick. Even though Joe will win (Dog-willing), it will be more election result-denying on steroids and we may be in for unimaginable chaos that makes 1/6 look tame. Hope I'm very, very wrong.

[usaf-vet]

45. Then why don't the cowards tell him ,"Piss off, ya feckin' wanker, before rip yer tiny bollox off!"

Love British TV. Acorn or Britbox.

[kimbutgar]

47. I just want him to STFU and go away

I’m sick of hearing, seeing and reading about him. I am so over that orange maggot!

[Initech]

48. I just want all of these MAGA dipshits to go away.

Trump, Gaetz, Gosar, Greene, Boebert, Jackson, Tuberville, Hageman, all the MAGA Taliban school board assholes... they can all fuck off and get the hell out of our government. And take their stupid conspiracy theories with them.

[kimbutgar]

55. Agree a million percent

They are a cancer on our society.

[Sky Jewels]

75. I am torn.

On the one hand, I feel exactly the same as you. I would love nothing better to have just one fucking day without reading his name or seeing his repulsive, bloated face.

On the other hand, I want him to hang around long enough to fucking destroy Tiny D, The Dictator of America Wannabe.

[Stuart G]

49. K & R.....REPUBLICAN PROFESSIONALS DON'T WANT HIM TO RUN. WHY? THEY KNOW HE WILL LOSE.

Long term professionals know Trump will lose. ..........

Can you see this Democratic Campaign ad: "Donald Trump said the pandemic was a hoax, and it killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Do you want him as President again?
________________________________________________________________________________________

This is not complicated, is it? No, this is not complicated at all. Long term professionals in the Republican Party know that
Trump will lose, and he will lose by a very large margin. (like a landslide!)

Those elected and non-elected Republican professionals know the outcome of Donald Trump running again.
And they will do ......"Everything in their power to prevent that from happening".......
.......One last idea that is very important and very simple..........................................................

.......................... If I can figure this out, then they can figure it out too. .............................................

[Kablooie]

50. But 56% of Republicans WANT him to run again.

So he very well may be their candidate.

[Stuart G]

52. Trump will NOT BE THEIR CANDIDATE. TRUMP WILL LOSE PRIMARIES WHEN HE RUNS.

...Do you know who George McGovern was? .............

.....I and many others wanted him to win in 1972...He was against killing & the war in Viet Nam.

What happened in the 1972 Election?

Do you know what happened in 1972?

Who was George McGovern?...

.............................. Take a look. Hit the link below...Presidential Election 1972:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_United_States_presidential_election

[DemocraticPatriot]

62. I know who McGovern was, I supported him.

I do not recognize what point you are trying to make here...



Spell it out if you would, I am interested in your viewpoint.

[DemocraticPatriot]

60. Trump finally defeats Biden on that metric....

LOL

I read earlier today on some poll,
that among those who want neither Biden nor Trump to run for president in 2024,
Biden beats Trump by 59-14 percent, if they have to choose between them.

[Stuart G]

77. REC..Thanks 4 POSTING...I applaud what you have written... PLEASE Read the "ENTIRE POST" (all of it)

EXACT WORDS FROM POST: "I read earlier today on some poll,
that among those who want neither Biden nor Trump to run for president in 2024,
Biden beats Trump by 59-14 percent, if they have to choose between them."

[Marius25]

66. But he's still going to run and win the GOP primary

and those 44% will still vote for him.

We have to be prepared to beat him again.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

67. he is tiresome, unpleasant, ugly, divisive

[ecstatic]

68. We can't go through that again.

I'm shocked that it's gone this far. Our news media is freaking derelict at this point.

HE ATTEMPTED A COUP TO OVERTHROW THE LAST ELECTION! HE IS STILL FUCKING LYING ABOUT IT!

It should not even be a question of whether he's running again but they kept injecting that into the discussion as if it's a fair thing to even be discussing. The only thing we should be fucking discussing with regard to him is when the freaking handcuffs will be slapped on for the crime of trying to overthrow a legitimate American election. 🤬🤬

[betsuni]

70. Biden will win. It's not 2016, when domestic and foreign populist anti-Democratic brainwashing

affected a lot of people.

[Stuart G]

85. Please read "ORIGINAL POST & POST 60, (not by me, on this thread)....Thank You...Stuart...

original post by .. applegrove...

POST 60 by:....Democratic Patriot....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17851427