Gun Violence Is Actually Worse in Red States. It's Not Even Close.

[In It to Win It]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/surprising-geography-gun-violence-110000396.html

Listen to the southern right talk about violence in America and you’d think New York City was as dangerous as Bakhmut on Ukraine’s eastern front.

In October, Florida’s Republican governor Ron DeSantis proclaimed crime in New York City was “out of control” and blamed it on George Soros. Another Sunshine State politico, former president Donald Trump, offered his native city up as a Democrat-run dystopia, one of those places “where the middle class used to flock to live the American dream are now war zones, literal war zones.” In May 2022, hours after 19 children were murdered at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott swatted back suggestions that the state could save lives by implementing tougher gun laws by proclaiming “Chicago and L.A. and New York disprove that thesis.”

In reality, the region the Big Apple comprises most of is far and away the safest part of the U.S. mainland when it comes to gun violence, while the regions Florida and Texas belong to have per capita firearm death rates (homicides and suicides) three to four times higher than New York’s. On a regional basis it’s the southern swath of the country — in cities and rural areas alike — where the rate of deadly gun violence is most acute, regions where Republicans have dominated state governments for decades.

If you grew up in the coal mining region of eastern Pennsylvania your chance of dying of a gunshot is about half that if you grew up in the coalfields of West Virginia, three hundred miles to the southwest. Someone living in the most rural counties of South Carolina is more than three times as likely to be killed by gunshot than someone living in the equally rural counties of New York’s Adirondacks or the impoverished rural counties facing Mexico across the lower reaches of the Rio Grande.

[global1]

1. So Why Isn't This Being Reported In MSM?.....

The Repugs are always mouthing off about cities like NYC & Chicago and the violence and gun deaths. Every chance they get they bad mouth Dem run cities and the MSM just seems to go along with them.

Why don't we hear the MSM do an expose about the gun violence in Red States?

Perhaps if Red State gun violence numbers were reported on a regular basis and some Dem Senators and Reps talked about the gun violence in the Red States - the American People would begin to realize that the problem is universal across the country and not just isolated to Blue States and Dem controlled cities.

[RKP5637]

2. Fox News dominates MSM and spews their crap 7x24 and is the most listed to network.

And insanely, Tucker Carlson is the most listened to. ... factual news is often hard to come by.

[DENVERPOPS]

9. It's not just Fox

85+% of ALL media in the U.S. is owned and/or operated by Uber Rich Republicans..........

We tend to think that due to our "freedom" of the press we have the LEAST censored news in the world......

Look again people............It is frightening to see what our beloved Media has become......In many cases, no better than the old Russian, State Controlled: "PRAVDA", with Fox News Leading the Pack.......

[RKP5637]

12. Yes, this is very accurate! I wish there were a way to help people become more introspective. n/t

[KS Toronado]

11. I've often wondered why MSM

doesn't expose right wing media for all their disinformation and I believe it's because the wealthy who own
MSM tend to be reQublicans who want reQublicans in charge of this Country for the lower taxes and loopholes
they always offer the rich.

Why attack a rival who's doing everything they can to keep Democrats out of power, they're on the same side.

[ancianita]

14. Because there is this finding to complicate the curtailment of 2A policies in red states. And so

what those states produce are culture war policies. I'm pretty sure that people do realize the problem is real in red states; the 7 million who voted for Biden pay attention to the denials and silence around red state behavior and values (which is why a few red states are growing purple).

Below is not a be-all/end-all claim, but it is a review of studies about guns and death levels, which likely (no one knows for a fact) are used to justify the "shrug" policies about AR's and mass shootings. I'm not endorsing this, just bringing it to folks' attention.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html

it is not possible to reach any scientifically supported conclusion because of (a) the sensitivity of the empirical results to seemingly minor changes in model specification, (b) a lack of robustness of the results to the inclusion of more recent years of data (during which there were many more law changes than in the earlier period), and (c) the statistical imprecision of the results. The evidence to date does not adequately indicate either the sign or the magnitude of a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates. Furthermore, this uncertainty is not likely to be resolved with the existing data and methods. If further headway is to be made, in the committee's judgment, new analytical approaches and data are needed (p. 7).

Data are interpretable, dismissable, deniable. Rethugs will not talk to us because, as their 'enemy,' talking to our side legitimizes us.

Re guns or anything else, I'm thinking that we know that our political differences about the value of human life are at the core of all our political differences. Again, We know this. Rethugs pretend not to know this.

[sanatanadharma]

3. Thus confirming that the more lax or worshipfull laws are about guns, the more they are used

The more guns there are and the less oversight by civilized society, the more wrongful deaths there are and will be.
Less oversight about who gets guns gives guys and gals, without a clue, the overlordship power of life and death.

The USA must begin gathering gun and gun abuse data at the Federal level.

'Can't say gay, can't teach kids reality (like menstruation)' is simply 'can't study guns' repackaged by the republican't team.

Society, TV, movies, video games, make-up and other artists of bodily gore, the entire gun-industry, the evening news, and so many purveyors of illusion all hypnotize people into thinking a delusion is reality.

[scarletlib]

4. Logical outcome of the guns everywhere for everyone policy.

[Wounded Bear]

6. Don't forget 'Stand Your Ground' laws that encourage people to use them...

[scarletlib]

16. True.

[MichMan]

5. Crime and Law enforcement are managed on a local level, not statewide

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Mayors, Police, Prosecutors and Judges

Isn't that one of the reasons there is opposition to Mississippi state government intervening in Jackson policing?

How does one reconcile saying the governor of a state is responsible for crime and violence in a city, while also saying they have no right to interfere with local elected officials.

[f_townsend]

19. Of course a governor is responsible for crime and violence in cities

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Every single GOP governor in office has worked with GOP state legislatures alongside the gun lobby to make it a piece of cake for any criminal and psycho to get their hands on guns. Legalized private gun sales, no required permits, no ATF enforcement, etc.

City mayors and local police are completely helpless to do much about crime when the state deliberately makes obtaining a gun almost as easy as buying a bag of potato chips.

[MichMan]

23. What about Democratic governors?

For example, I wouldn't blame Gov. Whitmer for being responsible for the Michigan State mass shooting, or high crime rates in Detroit and Flint.

[f_townsend]

24. Has Whitmer worked with the gun lobby to make it a cinch for criminals and psychos to get guns?

From what I can tell, she's trying to do the opposite:

https://apnews.com/article/gun-legislation-msu-whitmer-safe-storage-4495e4ab951ddf7fb6b16a4a37e58260

You didn't really think I failed to notice you purposefully ignored the content of post, did you? (GOP governors working hand-in-hand with the gun lobby)

[albacore]

7. Jim Webb's book "Born Fighting" has a good explanation...

The "borderers" were a violent bunch of immigrants who have colored the culture of the American Southeast and spread from there.
“Born Fighting is a bombshell—or else the most brilliant battle flare ever launched by a book. James Webb reveals the all-but-invisible ethnic group that has created the core beliefs of democracy American-style: our rights come from God, not the Government; all of us are born equal, and “born aristocrats” don’t exist; and tread on either of those two truths, and we’ll fight you down to the last unbroken hyoid bone. The Scots-Irish, for such is their name, have fought all our wars for us, including Vietnam. James Webb was there, and he can count. He has written not only an engrossing story but also an important work of sociological history."

[DinahMoeHum]

8. So does Joe Bageant's essay "Drink, Pray, Fuck, Fight"

"How The Scots-Irish Screwed Up America"

http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.05/Essays/02.Joe.Scots.pdf

[albacore]

13. Bageant's stuff is more fun to read.

Drink, Pray, Fight, Fuck
The Borderer Legacy Haunts America
https://dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Bageant0126.htm
&
"Deer Hunting with Jesus"
https://lacuadramagazine.com/book-review-deer-hunting-with-jesus-by-joe-bageant/3/

[DinahMoeHum]

22. Yeah, I miss him so bad.

[Dorn]

10. Details at: https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-geography-of-u-s-gun-violence/

Here is the detailed map from the source document from Salve Regina University's Pell Center for International Relations and Public Policy.

[moonscape]

21. Interesting the solid blue

in Texas at the Mexican border.

Interesting map. Very grateful to live in dark blue on the Central CA coast.

[Iggo]

15. There's more gun deaths where they love guns more?

That’s insane!

[senseandsensibility]

17. Would it be possible for our side to mention this occasionally?

Or better yet, every time the subject comes up. I mean really, that's the ballgame right there.

[f_townsend]

20. There are "strategists" in the Democratic party who I'm convinced are GOP moles

Trying as hard as possible not to win.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

18. Red States have more mass shootings than Blue States

Link to tweet

[NullTuples]

25. Those stats are a good enough reason for SCOTUS to block blue state gun control laws

"if you don't test for it, it goes away"