If a fetus is a person...

[True Dough]

Link to tweet

[Stinky The Clown]

1. Could not have been more spot on

[Walleye]

2. Should be a dependent tax deduction too

[Takket]

3. of course you can still deport a pregnant woman, because racist.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Holy Cow

Do you mean the Catholics who rely on the republicans for support and the republicans who rely on the Catholics for votes didn’t think this through. I bet they’ll get back to us any day now. Maybe after Kevin drives us over the Republican debt cliff.

[fierywoman]

5. They'll get back in the proverbial "two weeks" ...

[BOSSHOG]

7. They'll have a spokesperson

Conservativesplain it to us at a poorly advertised, sparsely attended press conference late on a Friday afternoon. As preplanned, it will be the lead on faux for 5 straight days. Followed by an exclusive report about trump throwing a thank you banquet for all the stupid people he loves.

[calimary]

35. Oh course they didn't think this through!

Lapsed Catholic here. OF COURSE they didn’t think this through! They’re back(wards) in the magic land of “it’s God’s will…” There WAS no thought given to ramifications or consequences because that was simply “the way it is.”

And women ALL OVER AMERICA will respond - and not in ANY way whatsoever how the GOP expected. Ann Coulter was soothing their fears, early on, saying nobody’s care that much. She’s certainly talking out of the other side of her mouth now, her last counsel being more of “enough already, leave it alone, guys…”

But it’s too late. Their dog was chasing the car and finally caught the car. Now the dog is starting to shit and pee all over the inside of that car, annd chew up the upholstery and nobody knows A) how to stop it OR B) how to clean it up.

Um… maybe they should have thought of that… but I guess when you get cocky and think you’ve got a sure-fire winner with no consequences to face then maybe you don’t bother even taking something so unimportant (to you, that is) into consideration.

[BOSSHOG]

45. Kansas Catholics

Had a sure fire winner last summer putting an abortion ban on a primary ballot spending 4 million tax exempt dollars in doing so. Never thinking they’d get their asses kicked. 59 To 41 percent. But they and republicans are still at it trying to bring “Kansas values” to the issue. After losing the issue by a whopping margin. Zealotry is a cancer.

I refer to myself as a recovering Catholic. I don’t need a middle man to be Christian.

[calimary]

48. Totally with you on that, my friend.

I don't need a middle man - or even a middle woman - to be Christian, either.

[TeamProg]

6. A fetus CAN'T BE A PERSON at six weeks because the gender can't be indentified until 19 or 20 weeks!

[Retrograde]

8. It should be possible to look at the DNA

and see if it's carrying a Y chromosome (yeah, I'm simplifying and ignoring XXY and XYY and other possible variants). Of course, that may negatively affect the viability of the blastocyst or embryo. Like most things, the forced-birthers aren't thinking this through all the way.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

10. Not A Geneticist, But I Don't Think Even That Is Possible

Because ALL people are both male AND female for a number of weeks (not sure how many). Your body doesn't declare a gender until later. That's the answer to the question, "Why do men have nipples?" Because the nipples develop while the fetus' gender is still "indeterminate."

Maybe someone with more knowledge than I have can tell us how many weeks it takes for the fetus to choose a gender.

[whopis01]

25. The genetics are set from conception

Once the egg is fertilized the 23rd chromosome pair will either be XX or XY. In theory that could be observed from that point forward. I am not sure what stage it would be possible to do so without causing significant damage to the embryo.

The embryo does not shown any outward signs of differentiation for several weeks, but its genetic gender is already set.

[Retrograde]

47. Thank you

that was what I was trying to say

[TeamProg]

16. I looked it up before posting. nt

[wnylib]

32. Too risky to the embryo to do testing that early.

[Grins]

38. Who's going to pay for that? Who will even want to do that?

Does that also imply DNA embryonic testing for all women?

[republianmushroom]

9. like the posting

[Rebl2]

11. If an embryo

can’t live outside the body of a woman at 1-10 weeks, it is not a person in my opinion. Republicans who make a woman carry a dead fetus to term are evil and sick.

[SCantiGOP]

12. You can freeze an embryo for years and then re-animate it

Implant it and it can grow to a fully formed fetus and then become a person.
You cannot freeze a person and bring them back.

[TeamProg]

17. Hmm okay. Interesting if true in some ways. nt

[littlemissmartypants]

22. "Indefinitely," said Barry Behr, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Stanford University

Molly Everette Gibson was born from an embryo frozen in 1992 and stored in a cryogenic (ultra-cold) freezer in the Midwest, according to The Washington Post. In 2012, the embryo was packed into a liquid nitrogen shipping container and sent to an embryo adoption facility; in February of this year, the embryo was implanted into now 29-year-old Tina Gibson's uterus, who was herself only 1 year old when the embryo was frozen.

Molly's journey breaks the record set by her biological older sister, Emma Wren Gibson, whose embryo was frozen for 24 years before Gibson gave birth to her. So theoretically, how long can embryos stay frozen for?

"Indefinitely," said Barry Behr, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Stanford University Medical Center.


https://www.livescience.com/how-long-can-embryos-stay-frozen.html

Freezing Embryos

A successful in vitro fertilization (IVF) cycle can result in multiple embryos, and some people choose to freeze the extra embryos for future family building.

Patients who undergo preimplantation genetic testing (PGT) also typically freeze their embryos after they are tested as it typically takes over a week to obtain the results.

Freezing embryos is a technique that can also help preserve future fertility. Some who choose this procedure are undergoing hormone therapy, cancer treatment, gender affirmation surgery or another medical intervention that affects their fertility.

In some situations, your physician may recommend freezing your embryos to help avoid the risk of a condition called ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome, which would worsen after pregnancy. It may also be recommended to help increase the chance of pregnancy if certain hormone levels are too high during the IVF cycle.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/freezing-embryos

Embryo Freezing (Cryopreservation)

Embryo freezing (cryopreservation) freezes and stores fertilized eggs for later use. It’s often used with fertility treatments that create embryos, such as in vitro fertilization (IVF). It also can help people preserve fertility and get pregnant in the future. Examples include people facing cancer treatment or going through gender transition.

What is embryo freezing?
Embryo freezing, also called embryo cryopreservation, is a process to freeze and store embryos for later use. An embryo is an egg that has been fertilized by a sperm. This process is a way to help people with fertility and reproduction.

Why would you freeze an embryo?
Embryo freezing often occurs after people have treatments to try to get pregnant. Examples include in vitro fertilization (IVF) and intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI).

These procedures fertilize eggs with sperm, and they sometimes create extra embryos. You may choose to freeze extra embryos and use them later if you:

Postpone or cancel implantation into your uterus after an egg is already fertilized.
Want to delay IVF to a later date.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/15464-embryo-freezing-cryopreservation

[Rebl2]

46. It's not a person

if it’s a frozen embryo. There might be a possibility that it becomes a person if it is implanted and is born alive.

[AZ8theist]

13. If a fetus is a "person", I'm Queen Elizabeth.

[calimary]

37. And I'm the Princess of Wales.

[COL Mustard]

44. I KNEW IT!!!!

And you're on that island with JFK, Elvis and Marilyn, right?

[calimary]

50. Shhhhhhhhh!!!! Don't tell anybody!!!

And I’m meeting with John Lennon and George Harrison and my longtime crush: Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones. He and I have been an item since the late 60s!

[Orrex]

14. Can't jail a pregnant woman, either

That's wrongful imprisonment of an innocent fetus.

And a pregnant woman can sure as hell use the HOV lane.

[TeamProg]

18. !!!

[usonian]

19. Then why are kids one year old in one year of life?

THEN EDIT EVERY DAMN DOCUMENT.

Chinese starts counting age from the time of pregnancy, unlike the western system where age is calculated from the time of birth. Since the period of pregnancy can vary, the age of the child is considered to be one year at the time of birth. In traditional chinese age counting system, your age increases by one year on chinese New Year and not on the day of your birthday.

And pardon underage drinkers who weren't underage at all. Social Security? Medicare?

[usonian]

20. Then why are kids one year old in one year of life?

THEN EDIT EVERY DAMN DOCUMENT.

Chinese starts counting age from the time of pregnancy, unlike the western system where age is calculated from the time of birth. Since the period of pregnancy can vary, the age of the child is considered to be one year at the time of birth. In traditional chinese age counting system, your age increases by one year on chinese New Year and not on the day of your birthday.

And pardon underage drinkers who weren't underage at all. Social Security? Medicare?

https://www.prokerala.com/general/calendar/chinese-age.php

[wendyb-NC]

21. That's exactly right

[littlemissmartypants]

23. ❤️

[Layzeebeaver]

24. when a fetus can correctly answer a captcha then we might have a winner

[MissMillie]

26. All reasonable questions

But no matter what question you ask a forced-birther, the answer will be whatever will infringe upon the pregnant person. Because the forced-birthers are not about "protecting life."

They are about controlling anyone who has a uterus.

[True Dough]

27. And that

is the long and short of it!

[roamer65]

28. Fetuses are NOT babies.

I hate this lie that the anti-abortion fascists tell.

[patphil]

29. It would seem to me that to be a person, you'd have to have a personality.

And that means going through experiences that form a personality. None of this can happen in the womb, where the various systems needed to support a living baby haven't developed yet.
That's why it takes 9 months to produce a baby. Gotta be ready for the world of experiences the baby will encounter.
And, the most important part. When the baby takes it's first independent breath, the Angel that will assume ownership of the baby breathes a soul into it, and the baby becomes a human child.
That's when I believe the process of developing a personality begins.

[Jilly_in_VA]

30. WHY

does the header to this subject sound like the first line to the song "Pretty Baby"? It could be a Randy Rainbow parody for sure.

[AdamGG]

31. George Carlin's perspective...

https://youtube.com/shorts/IehHlR4BpAk?feature=share

[progressoid]

33. +1

[FakeNoose]

34. Why can't every pregnant woman vote TWICE?

Once for herself and once for her fetus?

[claudette]

43. The

fetus doesn’t meet the age requirement of 18

[NullTuples]

36. "The joy of being fascist is that one need not appeal to logical consistency..."

Full quote:
"The joy of being fascist is that one need not appeal to logical consistency, only the most base of emotions"
- me, just now

[BlueCheeseAgain]

39. There's a bit of a trap in there...

If the Republicans concede every one of those-- child support, deportation, insurance, etc-- would we be willing to ban abortion? If not, then this is a double edged sword.

[uponit7771]

40. K&R,

[samnsara]

41. cops wouldnt let a pregant woman claim to have more than one person in the HOV lanes..

...they need to make up their fluffing minds

[claudette]

42. Great questions

Will any GOPer reply? I doubt it

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

49. Tax deductions from the moment of conception

And, on the lighter side:

Getting to drive in the HOV lane.