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Beachnutt

(7,340 posts)
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 10:49 AM Apr 2023

This is E jean Carroll account of how trump raped her

The Atlantic

The moment the dressing-room door is closed, he lunges at me, pushes me against the wall, hitting my head quite badly, and puts his mouth against my lips. … He seizes both my arms and pushes me up against the wall a second time, and, as I become aware of how large he is, he holds me against the wall with his shoulder and jams his hand under my coat dress and pulls down my tights.

She struggled against him, she alleges, as he raped her.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2023/04/trump-e-jean-carroll-rape-trial/673840/

An excerpt from the article.

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This is E jean Carroll account of how trump raped her (Original Post) Beachnutt Apr 2023 OP
I believe her completely. This account has a ring of truth Walleye Apr 2023 #1
Agreed PCIntern Apr 2023 #3
That is a good response if anybody had the nuts to stand up to the guy Walleye Apr 2023 #4
His own words Beachnutt Apr 2023 #6
I know... PCIntern Apr 2023 #7
The guy is a pig. walkingman Apr 2023 #2
With respect, pigs don't deserve to be maligned like that. CrispyQ Apr 2023 #5
This. nt BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #10
This. nt BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #12
I believe her. Scrivener7 Apr 2023 #8
I do too, but at the same time I am not getting my hopes up that she wins Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2023 #11
I think her chances of winning are small to vanishing. As with most women who go through this. Scrivener7 Apr 2023 #13
Agreed on her courage and her motives! Hugh_Lebowski Apr 2023 #15
I don't care what their reaction will be about this any more. Those people have thought Scrivener7 Apr 2023 #16
It is quite obvious he had done this before. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #9
But wouldn't it be something if they had multiple women testify they have been raped by him also? kimbutgar Apr 2023 #14
I assume the access hollywood tape Johonny Apr 2023 #17

Walleye

(31,045 posts)
1. I believe her completely. This account has a ring of truth
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 10:51 AM
Apr 2023

The level of detail described, and we already know he does this kind of thing and brags about it. She also describes how she felt and how she struggles sounds like a god’s honest truth to me. And what is his answer to this detailed account of rape, “she’s not my type”. Disgusting rapist and liar

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
5. With respect, pigs don't deserve to be maligned like that.
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 11:12 AM
Apr 2023

Actually, nothing on Earth deserves to be compared to him. Trump is a piece of human filth, an actual walking piece of shit.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. I do too, but at the same time I am not getting my hopes up that she wins
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 12:07 PM
Apr 2023

There's going to be questions from his defense that will be somewhat hard to answer, such as "why did you not report it to the police?", "the dressing rooms at the store are segregated M/F, correct? So why were you in the same dressing room in the first place?", and "why did you not scream, given you were in a public place, a very upscale one, where a scream would surely bring attention?"

I think her best shot is if he categorically denies the 'encounter', and then she produces his DNA. That way he's branded as a liar (unless he has some other explanation for how she got it).

Guessing when the rubber meets the road he's going to admit to having been there, but that it didn't actually go down like she describes.

Then you're basically down to he said/she said. Can be tough to win those kinds of cases. Sadly in this instance, of course.

Scrivener7

(51,004 posts)
13. I think her chances of winning are small to vanishing. As with most women who go through this.
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 12:12 PM
Apr 2023

Which makes her astonishingly courageous. She's not doing it for the win. She's doing it to say her piece.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. Agreed on her courage and her motives!
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 12:26 PM
Apr 2023

However I'm also worried that if she isn't victorious, it's just going to fuel the MAGAt's fervor even more. It'll increase his 'invincible' aura, burnish his 'fighter' credentials, and most importantly further prove in the knuckle-dragger's minds that he's being targeted and falsely accused by liberals.

And it'll also lend credence to the idea (for the assholes that want to use it) that 'women DO lie about rape'. People so inclined will spin the fact that 'she lost' to mean 'she lied', for sure

So I really, really hope she wins, both for justice for her, and also because it's really not going to be good thing if she does not, in the societal sense.

Scrivener7

(51,004 posts)
16. I don't care what their reaction will be about this any more. Those people have thought
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 12:42 PM
Apr 2023

those things since the beginning of time, and a win or loss here will not change that. Good for her for not letting that stop her. Maybe it will encourage others not to let it stop them.

On this subject, society can go fuck itself as far as I am concerned. She is the only thing I care about in this.

Johonny

(20,888 posts)
17. I assume the access hollywood tape
Tue Apr 25, 2023, 12:47 PM
Apr 2023

Of him admitting to this activity will be used in the trial.

It is unknown if other women have come forward that are willing to testify.

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