If the Cruz tapes came from Abby Grossberg,

[deminks]

the tapes have been subpoenaed by Smartmanic so far.

Paging Jack Smith. Jack Smith. Pick up the emergency red phone.

Link to tweet

Lawyer for a former Fox News producer, Gerry Fillippatos, tells Melber Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursing Fox News evidence.

Edited to add tweet:

Link to tweet

Abby Grossberg's lawyer:

“I have been contacted by several law enforcement authorities”
“Is the doj one of those entities?”
“Yes”
“And is it the special counsel? “
“It would be the special counsel, yes”

[malaise]

1. Don't fuck with a corporation

that has Dominion over all things

[Blue Owl]

4. Bwah!

Dominion over all things -- even the lowly blobfish (aka Ted Cruz)....

[malaise]

10. Ha

[marble falls]

14. 'Specially one with a lot more money and a solid case.

[malaise]

15. That is way more important than a clever

name

[marble falls]

18. True. Bought some mangos a few days ago, thought of you being able to pick them in your back yard!

[malaise]

19. It's mango season here

Sure am enjoying them

[marble falls]

20. Sure. Rub it in!

[malaise]

21. Hahahahha

Seriously there are so many varieties. A good friend brought Bombay and East Indian on the weekend and we have so many Julie that we give most away. It’s mango, lime and ginger drink or smoothies time. 😀😀

[marble falls]

22. Jamaca has so much going for it. Especially if one can stay away from Kingston traffic jams ...

... I just wouldn't want to live in or around a US expat community. Maybe teach math or world literature.

It's good to have dreams.

[malaise]

24. That would be great but there are also real problems here

Crime is a problem and so is the cost of living for the vast majority of our people.
Still we don’t face the cost of winter and can plant year round.
More than a few schools or colleges would welcome you - our teachers are leaving for the US and Canada.

[marble falls]

26. Crime is everywhere. Jamaca can overcome wealth disparity and that will relieve crime ...

..., sometimes a tourist economy is a curse as well as well as a blessing. Perhaps if more Jamaicans were involved in ownership and management. It's too easy for Americans to armchair pontificate.

All my experience in Jamaica started with a cruise ship, but what we did once we got there had little to do with cruise ship tourism. I tried not to be an "American" tourist. We got to see things tourists didn't get to see and we got to talk with a lot rural residents.

We got of the pavement as much as we could. It was amazing to see the entrepreneurial spirit of people who weren't looking for tourists or a gang to join. How much they wanted their children educated and safe.

We took chances. And we had no bad experiences. They say angels watch over fools and children.

[malaise]

27. Tourists are safer than locals

[marble falls]

29. Other than the worst traffic jam I've ever seen in Kingston during the afternoons, I never had a ...

... a bad moment in Jamaica.

One of our best trips was we'd never use the cruise line recommended guides. We'd walk way down the line and this once got a guide who had to go borrow a van to take us around. And take us around he did. Wonderful, one of the best calm, laid back days of my life. We'd done the same in Belize. We'd get guides who used their personal cars and no van. They'd take us though local neighborhoods and to restaurants no tourist showed up in.

In Belize, we've just walked through the ripoff cruise "village" and go right downtown. I do not want to see how the expats live. I want to see what's going on with the people and read their newspapers and listen to their music. I don't want to be shilled into an overprice tourist stores.

The one that really set me off is Roatan, where it used to be the ship anchored off on a long dock built in WWII by USN Sea Bees. You'd walk right up the beach and there'd be citizens working crafts and selling food they made right there. It was great, but the last time there, the stay was very short and very difficult to get away from the cruise companies' village. We bought some vanilla and it wasn't till we got back on ship that we saw it was Mexican vanilla produced in Mexico.

Sometime we "tourists" are overly safe. If I weren't ancient, I think I could be happy in Jamaica.

[spanone]

23. Love the Mango

[malaise]

25. Me too

😀😀😀😀

[2naSalit]

3. K&R

[brooklynite]

5. Nothing in the Cruz tape points to criminal liability.

He may have wanted the election overturned, but he wanted it done in the Court based on evidence. And his statements on Jan 6 are covered by the Speech and Debate clause in the Constitution.

[Jilly_in_VA]

6. have you heard them all?

I haven't, but have YOU?

[brooklynite]

7. I've opined on the SPECIFC recording that everyone else is opining on.

No available evidence that there's ANOTHER recording, and I don't subscribe to "we know he's guilty" assertions.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Good point. But Hell if we can't nail them with HARD evidence

[Scrivener7]

8. Yes. I don't get what the excitement is about. The tapes show he's

an opportunistic sleaze, but what's new?

[msfiddlestix]

13. Right? I'm at a loss to figure what all the excitement is about, except...

I feel like Ari might be sensationalizing a nothing burger for ratings. (totally speculative on my part)

trafficking in click bait material cuz it's friday and gotta bump up the numbers for revenue.

I dunno. I don't hear anything we didn't know before, even if we didn't have "tapes" of the conversations.

what I've heard isn't the stuff that's going to get anyone criminally charged for. i don't think.

[BlueKota]

12. I was thinking the same thing.

That there was no illegality in what he said on those phone calls when I first listened to them. Upon reading another thread on the topic, it pointed out something that may prove a thorny issue for him. He acknowledgement that he was aware of other plans to overturn the election in the works, some which he also indicated, he thought might be problematic.

Since this recording was made on the second of January the question is was he aware at that point of what might be in the works for January 6, and if he knew it might include illegal actions, why didn't he inform the authorities? Plus how did he know of other plans? Was he attending planning sessions?

Smith might not specifically be able to recommend legal charges against Cruz, but if I were Smith, I'd be very interested in interviewing Teddy about what, how, and when he knew others were planning?

[JustAnotherGen]

9. If Jack Smith is asking for them

I wonder what else he has on Cruz? He's a fierce prosecutor - it might be in addition to something else.

The tapes alone tell us nothing.

The tapes and other info regarding Cruz's plan to place Trump in office might be a good pairing . . . like French braised short ribs and Beaujolais.

[TlalocW]

11. The lady on the right is grinning

Like Mona Lisa were the Cheshire Cat who ate the Golden Goose

[Joinfortmill]

16. No moral compass at all.