Freeper tells his true thoughts:

[newdayneeded]

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A few minutes of scanning a few posts on freeperville uncovered this gem:

"Today’s elections in America died along with buggy whips in 1920. Relics of the past."

What happened in 1920, you ask?

The 19th amendment was ratified.....Women's right to vote.

[Walleye]

1. I bet he wouldn't tell that to his mother or sister face-to-face

[Turbineguy]

4. If he did

she'd kick him out of her basement.

[Walleye]

7. That's right

[MiHale]

6. Bet he would...

and mom probably wouldn’t even give an eye roll, she raised him. Sis may have a different attitude.

[Probatim]

19. Or his mother/sister - which might explain some of this "thought" processes...

[Maru Kitteh]

44. BINGO!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

2. No surprise there,

that's who they are, they want to keep women "barefoot and pregnant", they think women are beneath the male species.

[Walleye]

8. It's worse than that, they actually hate us

Sometimes their hatred of women is so thick you could cut it with a knife

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. I just cannot wrap my mind around the hatred the right has for women,

if baffles me as to why they are like that.
I grew up in a very conservative family, hell, I was a repuke until my first tour in Nam, after that, I became a dedicated Dem, but not once in my growing up did my parents nor myself ever think of women like that, I was raised to respect women, treat them as equals and have done so my entire life.

My other truck is driven by a lady friend of mine, whom I trust 100% to get the job done without any oversight.

[Walleye]

15. I don't understand it either and I don't know when it started

Some of it maybe goes back to the beginning of humanity, but I think a lot of it has to do with the so-called culture wars in the fundamentalist Christian.Keep up the good work, sounds like you got your head on straight at least.

[newdayneeded]

20. Hate radio as well

[JHB]

27. Especially if evangelical religious radio is included in that term

It has a much longer history of "we're the only good, decent people and they are servants of Satan out to corrupt the world and prey on your children." That stuff has existed since before Rush Limbaugh's parents got too drunk to remember to use protection and "one fast one" (as Dr. Ruth used to say) got him started.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

39. It's not only the fundamentalists who have warped

Ideas about women.

It's across the board in all religions, except Wicca and sometimes the Satanists and atheists.

Every major religion is sexist, and it includes the liberal and not-liberal branches of them.

When the Church of England started ordaining women, the "meek and mild" and mostly "liberal' christians in their parishes had some of the biggest sexist fits about it one could ever see. Same thing with their cousins the Anglicans--er, Episcopalians here. The ones down the road from where I lived in the fricking 80s? The husband refused to let his scary-talented wife do anything outside the home but teach a few art classes at the school affiliated with their church. He was against birth control and abortion--for his family. So they had 8 kids.

He was a big time liberal Democrat, active in his party, and yet that was how he treated his wife. Because his religion made him that way. Wives were to submit to their husbands and all that.

I saw an article in a newspaper in 1999, with christian women of all stripes--liberal and not--hating on a previous article stating that christianity in particular was sexist over that submission mandate. Dozens upon dozens of women justifying being second class citizens and thinking all women should do as they believed, with every ridiculous excuse imaginable--because that's what their religion and their book taught them. Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, the DCC whatever it's called. They were no different than conservative christian woman about the matter.

I saw women of every liberal sect who had been so incensed over their religion being called sexist that they actually took the time to write that letter to justify their faith calling them lesser than men.

They were proud of holding that view--in 1999!

[Walleye]

47. I have attended a lot of different denomination services

And different nationalities, in the course of my job. All these religions have one thing in common. They are all pretty sure that god is a guy

[wnylib]

53. Really? I grew up in a mainline Protestant church

and from early childhood in Sunday School, I was taught that God is a spirit, without form, and neither male nor female. Since Christian doctrine teaches that Jesus is/was a human manifestation of the Divine, we were taught that, as a human he manifested in a male body, but was both human and Divine, or Divine Spirit within a human body.

People use male pronouns when speaking of God, but that reflects limitations of languages whose neutral pronouns are for objects, not for spiritual or physical beings.

Some Christian theologians view the Holy Spirit of the Christian Trinity as a feminine aspect of the Divine.

Of course, for people who don't believe in Christian theology, that's all just nonsense. I'm only pointing out that, while some people choose to think of God as male, in Christian theology, God is spirit, neither male nor female.

[wnylib]

52. Hmm. So some members of Episcopal churches had a fit over

the ordination of women. And yet, their objections were ignored and the Episcopal Church does ordain women as well as LGBTQ people. An Episcopal church near my community used to have a husband and wife team that were both ordained priests.

Lutherans have been ordaining women for several decades, since back when I was a child in the 1950s.

I personally know 2 Presbyterian women and one Lutheran woman who are all ordained ministers and are also active feminists.

I don't personally know feminist rabbis, but I know that they do exist among Reformed Jews.

I agree that religions have reflected and supported patriarchical social attitudes in the past and many still do. But there are others that view New Testament books (especially the letters written by Paul) as the views of the writers due to the social and legal attitudes of the times and the limited human perspectives of the writers, which are not in line with Jesus's teachings and attitudes regarding women.

Individuals and denominations who take all of the Bible literally are the ones most likely to subscribe to the submissive woman view.

As for the people who had hissy fits over the ordination of women, when they did not succeed in stopping that from happening, they broke away and formed their own separate branches within their denominations, or left to join Evangelical churches.

[flying_wahini]

28. It comes from their 'religion of hate'.

[whathehell]

35. No, it comes from men and patriarchy

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and is reflected in virtually all societal institutions everywhere. That includes, but isn't limited to, virtually every major religion in the world..There is no particular "religion of hate".

[lindysalsagal]

38. +1000

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

40. And men and patriarchy created religion

Plus made sure that it invested only them with more power because...well, because.

Your point?

The religion of hate is all religions--again except for possibly Wiccans and Satanists, maybe the stray Jain or two, because all of the other religions has at its core the need to exalt its practitioners and demonize all of those "others" who refuse to join with them. Promoting the "we're good/they're evil" hate is essential to winning converts--and keeping them in the religion.

They all do this.

No exceptions.

[whathehell]

48. Well, yes, that is inferred by my first sentence

in which I state that "men and Patriarchy created every societal institution". Religion is an "institution", Government is another institution, and they, in the international realm especially, work on an "us and them" model as well. Upon reflection, you may come to realize that they are as responsible as religion for "hate" and oppression of all sorts.

[Jack the Greater]

49. "I just cannot wrap my mind around the hatred the right has for women,"

It was a woman got us kicked out of Paradise, dontcha know, temptin' us with them damned apples!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

54. LOL.

Which just proves women are smarter than men.

[newdayneeded]

11. I've told this story on here before.

I took my past boss fishing a dozen years ago, I knew was a right winger, but if no politics were brought up he was a cool guy.

We were a couple hours in and he blurts out "this nation started going down hill when women became liberated" I turned my head away from him and mouthed WTF. THIS is what they truly think!

[CrispyQ]

3. The 19th is on their agenda. -nt

[Jerry2144]

5. I don't believe it

Freepers don’t think.

Instead, I believe they form a cranial turd that they then later spew out

[newdayneeded]

9. lol, that's true.

What would they have been like if rush was never born?

The amount of damage rush did to this nation is incalculable.

[CanonRay]

17. That is priceless

Can I borrow it?

[Jerry2144]

18. Sure

It’s all yours. Feel free to spread far and wide. It’s ok a public forum and offered up to the public for us all to cause good trouble

[Aristus]

22. And they don't read, either.

If this zipperhead had ever learned to read, he would no doubt have encountered the word ‘ratify’ and would know how to spell it correctly.

[Jerry2144]

23. Please use it in a sentence

Ratify-to load up with rats. For example, “ Trump ratified SCOTUS”

[Aristus]

24. Well done!

[newdayneeded]

37. I misspelled it so I guess

I'm the zipperhead.

[MissMillie]

10. Several of them have been pushing that narrative for some time now

I've even seen it in some tag lines.

No problem at all w/ blatant discrimination, apparently--and why not? Women aren't "people." They're incubators.

[bluesbassman]

13. This is why I don't worry about a new Civil War.

These guys are such pitiful snowflakes that all we’ll have to do is stand on the ramparts hurling insults at them that denigrate they’re manhood. They’ll fold up like the cheap Dollar Store lawnchairs they are.

[newdayneeded]

14. But they have AR15s

in each arm.

[flying_wahini]

29. And they also think nobody else has guns like them.

Boy are they gonna be surprised.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

57. But how many would actually go toe to toe with heavily armed SWAT?

There will be some die hard MAGAt's who'll do so, but the vast majority will not, and they're not the only ones who own firearms, right here on DU, there are many, like myself, who do own firearms and know how to properly use them.

[ashredux]

16. Oh my, free republic, hard to believe they're still chugging along.

Back in the early days, I played on free republic often, I was banned often, it was fun. This was during the Clinton administration and it was wild.

They used to put out “Ash alerts” when I logged in. I had a fun time messing with those folks.

[dawg]

21. Someone should enlighten that guy. We do, indeed, still ...

have buggy whips.

[Johnny2X2X]

25. Not out of step with GOP mainstream candidates (John Gibbs)

Here in my home District, MI-3, the Republicans ran a guy, John Gibbs, who literally wrote this, “Some argue that in a democratic society, it is hypocritical or unjust for women, who are 50% of the population, not to have the vote,” Gibbs’ website read. “This is obviously not true, since the founding fathers, who understood liberty and democracy better than anyone, did not believe so. In addition, all people under age 18 cannot vote, although they too comprise a significant portion of the population. So we cannot say that women should be able to vote simply because they are a large part of the population.”

“We conclude that increasing the size and scope of government is unequivocally bad,” Gibbs added. “And since women’s suffrage has caused this to occur on a larger scale than any other cause in history, we conclude that the United States has suffered as a result of women’s suffrage.”

This is a guy Trump handpicked to run. He got trounced by an amazing liberal in Hillary Scholten, but still, taking away women's suffrage is definitely something the GOP would have no problem trying to do.

[newdayneeded]

36. These guys are scum!

[Initech]

26. Saying the quiet part out loud?

[sellitman]

30. No surprise.

It's a well known fact that The Radical MAGA crowd would prefer if only Christian White Males who are land owners vote.

The rest of us could go pound sand.

[flying_wahini]

31. When fascists and creepers start talking about taking peoples rights away

I love to ask if they have been married more than once. Is the GOP going back to where women
are married off as children? Is divorce going to be recognized?
The New American Taliban is alive and well.

[CaptainTruth]

32. They want abortion to be a felony. Felons can't vote.

For a long time I've believed that is part of their agenda, to take the right to vote away from "liberal women" who would seek an abortion.

[Prairie_Seagull]

33. Just wondering if this type of shit cropped up at around the same time as incels?

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

41. Surely you jest

Hatred of women is as old as the hills.

[Prairie_Seagull]

42. Yes i do, in both content and reality.

[keep_left]

34. That freeper is no doubt spending his time on fundamentalist/radtrad and MRA/PUA/incel...

...forums on Reddit and 4Chan/8Chan/whatever-the-hell-they-call-it-now. Their party line about the 19th Amendment has been a favorite of these groups for years. Misogyny is now just a kneejerk response; it comes naturally for them. You also see it in the cultural strawmen they're always constructing: "blue-haired SJW college women", "militant lesbian HR executives", "crazy feminist cat lady", "soy boys". Now it's drag queens, trans kids, and fifth-columnist public school teachers. It's a free-floating hatred that is always on the attack, and it began to surface at the end of the Cold War and serves the same purpose for these people. (I first noticed it in followers of the late Sen. Jesse Helms as the Wall came down in Europe). It's also very dangerous, because it's no longer aimed at "reds" and "commies"; now the hatred is directed internally at their domestic enemies in this country.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

43. These idiots have been around since time immemorial

Before there was Jesse Helms, there have long been the many religions who wanted women to shut up, get in the kitchen and pop out more babies to indoctrinate into the religion.

Back in ye Middle Ages, after the plague, most places were so desperate for workers that they hired women to work in trades of all kinds. Once the population stabilized again, and men were starting to have trouble keeping jobs, well, the churches went to bat for them, and started spewing the same kind of rhetoric about women doing anything other than being seen and not heard brood mares, that you'd think you were hearing the voices of today's incels.

It's nothing new.

[keep_left]

51. Well, there's no doubt about that, but here I'm talking about a relatively new phenomenon.

You're quite right about the misogyny inherent in religion, especially Christianity. However, my main concern is the really alarming political culture in the USA. In comparison to the issue of religious fundamentalism, it is a much more recent problem, though that is a relative term (the history goes back at least four decades).

Many years ago, as the Cold War was winding down, I began to notice a worrying trend in the way that political rhetoric kept getting more heated with each passing year. After a while, it seemed clear (to me at least) that the political rancor and outright hate speech were being constantly ratcheted up, little by little. There's a lot that can be written about this, and maybe at some point I will make an OP about it. But I will say that this is something that can be readily observed starting around the time of the Iran-Contra hearings, carrying through the George HW Bush presidency, and greatly accelerating during the Clinton and George W Bush years. By the time of the post-9/11 era, even the most apolitical Americans had at least an intuitive understanding that things had gone seriously wrong.

Of course, the USA has many serious problems, and realistically, at least some of them are intractable. But what is unique in the wake of the Cold War is the rise of a sort of free-floating rage that is always present, yet highly unpredictable. From time to time, we all see examples of this free-floating rage, and while cynical demagogues like Trump or DeSantis attempt to direct it ( aka "stochastic terrorism" ), its unpredictability means that they are not always successful. But we do see many of the successes: the rise of alt-right ideology, attacks on transgender people, and the rise of cesspools like 4Chan and unmoderated comment forums (YouTube, many newspapers, etc.). There are, of course, many more examples.

This free-floating rage keeps enough of our fellow citizens at each others' throats so that solving even a simple problem becomes a monumental task. And various news media organizations (e.g. Fox) make money by stoking the rage, while new upstarts (e.g. OANN, NewsMax) attempt to replace Fox by creating even more fictitious enemies to rage against. Put most simply, the xenophobia and paranoia of the Cold War, rather than being resolved, has instead been turned inward.

The historians Chalmers Johnson and Morris Berman have both written numerous books about the issues of a post-Cold-War America. All DUers should be familiar with at least one of their works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Berman

[Gidney N Cloyd]

45. "Radified"

[newdayneeded]

50. Sorry, I fixed it.

Any comment on the context of the OP, or just the one word misspelled?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

55. I thought the misspelled word was part of the freeper quote.

[newdayneeded]

58. just the part in quotes,

sorry for the missed spelling.

[Xolodno]

46. No surprise.

A number of them want women to:

1. Stay at home, barefoot and pregnant.

2. Handle all domestic home requirements.

3. Be obedient.

4. Make them breakfast in bed, give them their paper and fetch their slippers.

5. Sex object and never refuse their advances.

And they blame them for their current lot in life. They see a woman manager, executive, etc. and blame them for not having a job or not being management, higher wages, etc. In their view, they only qualify as secretaries, party organizers and nothing more.

[ecstatic]

56. 🙄 did any women respond?

[newdayneeded]

59. Of course not, freeper women are way

to busy cleaning, cooking, and having babies for their masters, er, I mean husbands.