How would Americans seeking asylum abroad be greeted

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in the event of an autocratic regime seizing power in the US? What standards must be met to gain entry to a country when those in charge in your homeland want to prosecute you as an enemy of the state? It’s worth pondering, IMO.

[hlthe2b]

1. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Even Canada requires sufficient resources to prove you can sustain for indefefinite

future. There might be short-term sympathy but they can and ultimately will restrict entry.

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3. What about the extreme scenario I mentioned?

Would Canada turn away refugees in imminent danger of assassination?

[hlthe2b]

5. As I added, I'd expect short-term openness. But it isn't likely to last without restrictions.

And those of us who are not millionaires may find the doors slamming shut, at least for ready entrance --to EU as well--unless you hold dual citizenship already.

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7. I'd still take my chances

I would slip in illegally and then fight to stay if necessary. I would add my number to the statistic of refugees from an erstwhile democracy that was toppled in a coup. If imprisonment and/or execution were a possibility, I would fight to stay.

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Not true- Canada only requires new PR's to have resources for "settling"

Not for the “indefinite future”.

If admitted as refugees, AFAIK, no resources at all are required.

[hlthe2b]

10. Only to qualify to be considered. Canada must INVITE you to apply and generally that

requires more funding/self-sufficiency and/or occupation in a much-needed/much in-demand field.

Believe me, I have friends who have done so ($$$$) and those who have tried unsuccessfully ($ or $$)

WHile this might be waived in an absolute emergency in the US-- it would likely only be short-term.

[Fiendish Thingy]

12. I emigrated to Canada in 2012, and I wasn't "invited".

We immigrated under Skilled Worker visas. The rules have changed since 2007 when we applied, but they still use a point system that allows folks to see if they are likely to be approved before applying.

IIRC, we were required to prove we had 3 months rent/food expenses (approx. $12,000CAD) as part of our application.

There is a way to “buy” PR status via an “investor”/“entrepreneur” visa, where you open a business that will give jobs to Canadians, or you give several hundred thousand dollars to the government to hold for five years.

Canada is seeking 500,000 new permanent residents per year for the next decade; it seems skilled/educated Americans, especially healthcare workers, would fit into that recruitment campaign quite nicely.

[hlthe2b]

13. Exactly: "Skilled worker visa" just as I said.

THAT was your "invite." Yous was a "needed" occupation. My former SO was an immigration lawyer. It is not as simple as you suggest--for most. But, as I have repeatedly stated, emergency waivers MIGHT occur because Canada, after all, is a country that values its principles--at least over their own anti-immigrant RW (for now).

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/proof-funds.html

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. We didn't have to qualify under a specific occupation, only under the point system

We only had to prove our education and work experience, not linked to a specific occupation.

In fact, my wife, a medical technologist with 27 years experience, had to wait 3 years and complete several additional college courses before being allowed to take the exam to get her BC credentials.

There is a program currently where a certain number of visas are reserved each year for people in specific needed occupations, but there is also the standard point system, and provincial nominees (those are the folks who are “invited”) available to prospective permanent residents.

Again, we weren’t “invited” to immigrate to Canada, we applied of our own volition, and our visas were granted.

I haven’t seen any examples of Canada, or any country, granting emergency refugee waivers to people from countries that the UN hasn’t already declared as eligible refugees.

[hlthe2b]

17. What you state is covered under the OFFICIAL guidelines I posted. There is no argument.

Not at all sure why you are trying to make/find one.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. What you posted only covers the proof of funds required for skilled workers

Not the numerous regulations around various different ways one can immigrate to Canada.

You posted some specific statements that don’t match my personal experience, or the experience of other immigrants I know.

I’m not trying to argue, just pointing out where my experience differs from your assertions on what a typical PR visa process entails.

I don’t want people to be misinformed, or scared away from applying for a PR visa, thinking they wouldn’t qualify, or that it was prohibitively expensive. Many immigrant families I worked with were quite poor, and didn’t have any specific job skills that would make them desirable, yet somehow they made it to Canada, and not as refugees.

Like I said, Canada has increased the number of immigrants it is seeking each year, and Americans who are contemplating moving to another country should definitely check out the process for themselves.

[hlthe2b]

19. NO! I posted the OFFICIAL CA Government website link & has the tabs for every aspect of immigration.

I honestly DO NOT know why you feel the need to argue. There is no argument between us as I have linked the official Canadian government site. There is no argument, no disagreement, no anything. THAT IS THE OFFICIAL CANADIAN GOVERNMENT website covering ALL ASPECTS of immigration.

Have a nice day. But, I do not wish to continue with an argument that is clearly NOT THERE.

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2. Countries usually require refugees/expats to show that

they have sufficient means to support themselves without relying on that country's welfare system. You'd have to look up each country individually to find out its specific requirements for immigration.

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4. Like I mentioned, these are dire circumstances in the scenario I mentioned

Hard to believe that Canada would turn away refugees in imminent danger.

[Chainfire]

6. There is certainly a limit of Americans that Canada would be willing or able to absorb.

It the same context, you have to wonder how Mexico or Cuba would feel. We can't expect other countries to fix our serious problems, that is up to us. If we allow our government to self destruct, we will get what we deserve and deserve what we get.

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8. I don't think I deserve death at the hand of an autocratic regime

Nobody does. Not even those who helped the despot gain power. Individuals can and should do more every day, but I wouldn’t just lament, ‘I told ya so!’ and wait to be lined up against a wall.

[Mariana]

14. I agree you don't deserve death at the hand of an autocratic regime.

The trick is to convince the government of Canada, or whatever other country you have in mind, that you're at serious risk of death at the hand of an autocratic regime. Once you've done that, you have to convince them that you should be allowed to live there on that basis.

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15. So the question is not what you would do then, but what are you doing now?

I don't suspect that 85 years ago, the Jews, Roma (Gypsies), people with disabilities, Poles, Soviet prisoners of war, and Afro-Germans, political dissidents, Jehovah’s Witnesses or homosexuals, thought that they deserved death at the hand of an autocratic regime either. For that matter the other 50,000,000 or so that died as the results of a war brought about by Right-wing fanatics thought that they deserved it either.

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22. As an individual, my conscience is clear about having done what I can

As a society, however, we fall short of redemption. Individually, no one deserves to die from the actions of an authoritarian regime (or from the actions of the despot’s enemies, for that matter. Our society seems to have lost any sense of discernment when it comes to recognizing encroaching fascism. If the US falls to fascism and aligns from other ‘friendly’ (i.e., genocidal) regimes, the situation becomes dire for billions across the planet.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Rather than speculating, why not get direct information?

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees.html

It’s highly unlikely the UN will declare liberal Americans as eligible refugees. Based on your OP, I’m guessing you’re expecting Trump to start sending liberals to death camps if he is re-elected in 2024.

That’s not going to happen.

While fascist forces are definitely trying to gain power in America, if it comes to pass, it’s not going to result in Americans being declared eligible refugees by the UN.

Note: Hungarians under Orban, nor Filipinos under Duterte, nor Russians under Putin weren’t deemed eligible refugees (although many did seek to emigrate to both Canada and the US as permanent residents)

If you feel Trump is going to win in 2024, and your life will be in danger, then I strongly suggest you research your options now, and consider applying for permanent residency in Canada now, as the process takes 18-24 months to get your PR visa approved.

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25. I don't need to know anything imminently

I don’t even fear for my life should a nightmare scenario come to pass. Some prominent voices of opposition may have good reason for apprehension, however, and it’s my reason for posing this question.

[brooklynite]

20. I've said this before: I've LJVED in a dictatorship...this isn't one.

And I don’t see it becoming one.

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21. The German people thought so too. Until it wasn't.

I don’t want to get caught on the ‘nobody could have foreseen’ side.

[brooklynite]

23. Well, it's been swell knowing you.

If you're leaving, no sense waiting till the last minute.

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26. There's really no need for that

It’s most unbecoming.

[brooklynite]

27. Neither are doom and gloom prognostications.

As for me, I have elections to focus on.

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29. Show me exactly where I predicted doom and gloom

I merely presented a scenario for discussion. A fictional one at that. I wouldn’t mind if you put me on ignore. I wouldn’t want to detract from your very important…things.

[WarGamer]

24. THat's extremely unlikely.

The strongman would have to have enough States open a Constitutional Convention... and then vote for abolishing the Constitution in favor of a new King... or Fuhrer or Caesar...

Oh and then 3/4 of States would have to ratify it.

Chances 0.00%

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28. Convention schmonvention

Despots aren’t known for their adherence to constitutions or any other legal niceties.