I believe you E. Jean Carroll!

[mysteryowl]

And I have so much respect for your courage!
You go girl! I for one believe you will win.

[mobeau69]

1. Tocopina did not have a good day today. Admonished by judge for

being repetitive in his cross. Objections made all throughout the questioning and the judge overruled nearly all of them.

Source: Joy Reid’s guest tonight that was in the courtroom.

[mysteryowl]

2. Yep. Ms Carroll is a very believable witness for the jury.

[rsdsharp]

5. I believe most of the objections were sustained.

[mobeau69]

30. My bad.

[Wishful-Thinking]

3. I wish it to be so, also....but

Just heard today on Legal AF (one of the Meidas podcasts) that one of the 9 jurors is a 31 year old white guy who listens to right wing podcasts for his news. It only takes one. If E Jeanne’s attorneys let him through, imagine how the ones that were discharged looked.

[mysteryowl]

4. UGH, maybe he can keep his misogony in a cave for this trial.

[rsdsharp]

6. Civil juries don't have to be unanimous.

[mysteryowl]

7. That's good news, thanks

[Beakybird]

10. Can someone verify this? My understanding is that they DO have to be unanimous.

[mysteryowl]

11. Maybe it depends on the state?

[rsdsharp]

12. NY Civil Practice Law and Rules sec 4113

Disagreement by jury. (a) Unanimous verdict not required. A verdict may be rendered by not less than five-sixths of the jurors constituting a jury.

[Beakybird]

13. That's a relief! For some reason, I thought this was a federal lawsuit.

[rsdsharp]

14. You're right. Brian fart on my part.

Here’s Fed R Civ Pro 48

a) Number of Jurors. A jury must begin with at least 6 and no more than 12 members, and each juror must participate in the verdict unless excused under Rule 47(c).

(b) Verdict. Unless the parties stipulate otherwise, the verdict must be unanimous and must be returned by a jury of at least 6 members.

I’ve read that they can return a verdict with 7 members, but I don’t know if that’s true. I can’t find a stipulation to that.

[Beakybird]

16. Well, the lawsuit is in the New York Supreme Court.

[rsdsharp]

19. No, it's in the Southern District of New York.

Judge Kaplan was appointed by Bill Clinton. I just screwed up.

[robbob]

24. Brian farts are the worst!

(Sorry, couldn’t resist…) 😁

[RussBLib]

20. the jury has 9 people

7.4 is 5/6 of 9, so I believe you could rule for Carroll with 8 of 9 votes. 7 isn't enough if your pool is 9.

[Beakybird]

22. I think that since it's a federal grand jury, the verdict has to be unanimous.

[rsdsharp]

25. It's a petit jury, but yes, it does have to be unanimous

unless the parties stipulate that it doesn’t.

[RussBLib]

26. but wasn't Carroll allowed to bring suit ...

...because the New York state legislature changed their statute of limitations law giving rape victims more time to bring suit? Seems like if a state lege did that, it should be brought in state court. ??

I don't care as long as his ass gets nailed. While Carroll was testifying in court, Trump is out campaigning in New Hampshire. So busy he is.

New state law extends the statute of limitations for rape in New York
9/18/2019

Under the new law, the statute of limitations for reporting second-degree rape increases to 20 years and third-degree rape increases to 10 years. Previously, both were five years.

“There has been an ongoing and pervasive culture of sexual harassment and abuse in our society, and it is made worse by the fact that victims of second- and third-degree rape only have five years to bring a legal claim against their attacker,” Cuomo said in a statement. “Five years is an insult to these survivors and today we’re providing them more time to come to terms with the trauma they experienced and to seek justice.”

The law eliminates the statute of limitations for incest in the first degree, and extends the statute to 20 years for incest in the second degree and for a second-degree criminal sexual act. For third-degree criminal sex acts, the statute of limitations is increased to 10 years.

And under the law, victims now have 20 years in which to bring a civil suit for the offenses.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/us/new-york-law-rape-statute-of-limitations-extended/index.html

[rsdsharp]

23. That rule is the New York State rule. It doesn't apply in federal court.

I screwed up. Mea culpa.

[Tree Lady]

21. I thought they asked a bunch of questions

about political beliefs and such to the jurors?

[Wishful-Thinking]

31. Listen to Legal AF Podcast

Thursday April 27 edition called “Trump Lawyers Getting Crushed and Jack Smith Soars”. This is two well informed lawyers talking about the case and the issues we have all been tossing around here. It’s free on Apple Podcast and I think on YouTube as well.

‘Michael Popok and former top Manhattan DA prosecutor Karen Friedman Agnifilo discuss: 1. Days 1 and 2 of the E Jean Carroll federal case against Donald Trump;”

[LoisB]

8. I believe her too.

[walkingman]

9. I totally believe her. It fits Trump's character and past perfectly.

[BOSSHOG]

15. I'm not religious

But I often pray that Justice comes to bad people.

[dlk]

17. Of course I believe her

You can see it in her eyes. That and Trump is a known sexual predator who jokes about having sex with his daughter.

[yardwork]

18. Me too!

[tavernier]

27. I have not been following this, but

I heard that she said that she watched trumps show on TV because she thought it was clever for them to produce a show like that. If I had been raped by Trump, there’s no way I would spend one second of time ever ever ever watching his horrible show.

Sorry. She’s probably telling the truth but she and I are two different people, and I could never watch his show having gone through what she went through.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

33. Would you say the same thing

About someone who was robbed, but still watches cop shows after it?

I always find it telling when people make these sexist assertions about "would anyone do X" when it comes to rape victims, but never about victims of other crimes.

Maybe you need to examine why you so readily went for that particular rape justification.

[tavernier]

34. I was pushed into a room at a party by two guys, classmates,

when I was in high school. I wasn’t raped but only because I physically fought them off and I think they knew I would end up screaming and bringing in everyone in the house. I never told anyone but my best friend, but I could never look at or speak to them again. I sure as hell would never have had anything to do with either one again even if they were both crowned King of England.

[UTUSN]

28. K&R

[Meowmee]

29. Yes

I hope she wins.

[LuckyCharms]

32. I believe her. n/t