We are 'watching a Republican electoral disaster in the making': David Frum

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

According to longtime conservative David Frum, the Republican party seems dead-set on handing Donald Trump the 2024 presidential nomination despite all the signs that there is no chance that he can win because independents and swing voters find him repellant.

In his column for The Atlantic, where fellow conservative Peter Wehner noted the "Make America Great Again" movement is spiraling into back-biting and chaos, Frum suggested that a "Biden blowout" is in the offing and Republicans seem to know it but are incapable of doing what needs to be done to avert it because of the hold the former president has on his rabid base of supporters who will propel him through the primaries.

According to Frum, President Joe Biden's polling numbers illustrate he can be beaten, but if his opponent is Donald Trump running for a third time, all is lost for the GOP.

Asking rhetorically, "Are we watching a Republican electoral disaster in the making?" Frum wrote, "Biden’s poll numbers are only so-so. But a presidential election offers a stark and binary choice: This or that? Biden may fall short of some voters’ imagined ideal of a president, but in 2024, voters won’t be comparing the Democrat with that ideal. They will be comparing him with the Republican alternative."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/we-are-watching-a-republican-electoral-disaster-in-the-making-conservative/ar-AA1araRc

[OAITW r.2.0]

1. This plus the concerted efforts of multiple Republican legislatures to

decide medical and social issues.....I think these people are whistling past the graveyard of political reality.

[Thomas Hurt]

2. The other christofascists running know it too. They seem more interested in running...

against Biden now than taking on the Pig now. Not sure what being the Pig's shills gets them.

[NullTuples]

67. Perhaps they're waiting to see if Trump goes to Jail?

[Thomas Hurt]

70. Possible but I don't know if that makes the cult find a new false prophet.

[NullTuples]

74. Perhaps they're opportunists & it's too early for them to tell who the frontrunner will be.

Choosing to back the wrong person in that environment would be disastrous for them, so they have to wait to see how it shakes out over the next year.

[Mr.Bill]

82. Or drops dead of natural causes.

And trust me, any Democrat that runs against Biden is bankng on the same thing.

[Stuart G]

3. Donald Trump is a total ...'LOSER", and Donald Trump and his political party doesn't know it.

Maybe as we get closer to 2024, that political party will figure it out. ...........and I say... "maybe."

Maybe Not. Some professionals in the Puke Party know that Trump is a "Total Loser."
Whether or Not Trump will be stopped ain't up to me........

...........And we will all see!!! ..............

[Skittles]

4. last time, many people voted against Trump rather than FOR Biden

I think even more people could vote against Trump now

[Demsrule86]

13. I disagree. People like Biden and always have.

[Skittles]

15. you don't think a lot of people voted against Trump rather than for Biden

I know for a FACT that is true......over and out

[H2O Man]

18. Definitely.

No question about it. Trump was a ball & chain on the republican party, and helped the Democratic Party achieve a lot of wins beyond the presidency. There is no serious argument about that.

[bucolic_frolic]

54. +1

Biden has delivered and faces up to difficult problems. He's not in it for graft and greed. People know that.

[wryter2000]

75. True, but all the media tell everyone is

He’s…OLD!!!!!

[Xolodno]

21. Shhhhhh!!!

Your not supposed to say that out loud.

[oldsoftie]

58. Plenty of people said it loud & proud.

[Skittles]

59. there's no shame in it

"it is what it is"

[oldsoftie]

61. And "do what it takes"! Whatever it took to BEAT TRUMP.

The main thing concerning me this time around is "the back of peoples minds". And thats about as specific as I dare get

[BeerBarrelPolka]

5. JFC

Lyndon LaRouche would make a better president than trump.

[jmowreader]

22. A random name out of the phone book would be a better president than Trump

[anarch]

45. a squirrel or a potato or something would make a better president than that fuckface n/t

[machoneman]

57. So would Bullwinkle!

[MOMFUDSKI]

6. They built a monster and

then they fed that monster and now that monster is devouring them. Old story. Nothing new under the sun.

[Renew Deal]

7. Trump getting the nomination is far from a done deal.

Early front runners often lose. What if he gets convicted May 2024? Do republicans replace him in the ticket?

[Volaris]

16. 8f he's the party nominee by delegate count, is there even a procedure for that?

[Renew Deal]

20. Typically there is. Rules are adopted at the convention

And delegates can do whatever they want.

[Johnny2X2X]

27. He could be in jail and the GOP wouldn't replace him

He owns that party, he is the nominee, period.

[newdayneeded]

31. I'm putting it at 99.8%

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he gets the nomination. Him having a stroke or heart attack is the only way it doesn't happen. I'm way past the "He'll go to prison" phase.

[oldsoftie]

60. II hate that I agree with you.

Nothing against YOU of course, just the opinion

[republianmushroom]

8. Believe I say this in 2016

..." despite all the signs that there is no chance that he can win"...
He won then and he could win in 2024.

[captain queeg]

9. I like to throw this out every now and then: Lyndsey in 2016

[oldsoftie]

62. I actually thought Kasich would take out trump. Missed that one.

[Lovie777]

10. I'm pretty sure a lot of Republicans will not vote GQP............

cause they are crazy.

[jcgoldie]

11. Hopefully

...Trump's negative effect resonates down ballot in key states and we somehow hold the senate.

[elias7]

12. Biden can be beaten? F*** the media for failing to report his accomplishments

Seriously, name a set of policies that any other person could’ve gotten through given the current electoral make up of Congress that could even compare to Biden‘s accomplishments. The fact that polls do not reflect us only represents a failure of the media to accurately report on Biden.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

40. Of course he can be beaten.

It's silly to act like he can't. We are a pretty divided country right now.

My guess is that if the Rs actually ran someone who wasn't a far right troll like Trump or Desantis, they would have a solid shot to beat Biden.

[Jarqui]

14. Republicans are cut throats for power

If Trump looks like he can't win, they'll dump him.
I don't need to hear about rules because Republicans don't play by the rules.
They'd like Biden secure as the Democrat nominee and then they'll pull the plug on Trump.

[ITAL]

17. No

His supporters would revolt. Seriously, I have some in my family and know this for a fact. One of my Aunts quit watching FOX News when they called the 2020 election for Biden and hasn't watched it since.

(She would watch Tucker clips in youtube so she didn't have to support FOX News)

[Jarqui]

26. You expect Republicans to play nice?

They could do something like this:
They'll provide evidence to Democrats to get Trump convicted for sedition so he can't be President and make it look like the Democrats took him out so they can keep most of his base.

They're ruthless.
They don't give a crap about Trump.
They just want to hang on to their power.
And they will do anything lawful or unlawful to accomplish that like they have for the last 60 years.

[ITAL]

29. The base won't care

THAT'S what I am saying. If the GOP pooh bahs try to throw Trump overboard it literally won't matter what they tell their voters. The worship for Trump is baked in.

[Jarqui]

30. A) Trump's base is dumber than most - easily scammed

B) The GOP will make it look like the Dems did it to fire them up.

Trump allegedly cheats on his taxes - Dems political prosecution
Trump allegedly rapes someone - Dems political prosecution
Trump allegedly commits fraud hiding paying off a sex worker - Dems political prosecution
Trump allegedly gets caught lying about illegal possession of classified documents - Dems political prosecution
Trump allegedly attempts an insurrection on Jan 6th - Dems political prosecution
Trump is on tape trying to flip the Georgia election - Dems political prosecution

The GOP aren't standing there saying:
Trump shouldn't grab women by the pussy or rape them
Trump shouldn't commit fraud and election financing crimes
Trump shouldn't lie about stealing classified documents
Trump shouldn't have incited an insurrection on Jan 6th
Trump should have been phoning around trying to flip the election.

25% of the deficit is Trump's tax cuts but the GOP will blame everything else and snip the purse strings of the Democrat in the White House.

They play dirty. They have the goods on Trump. They'll plant that evidence and see that the Dems find it when the Dems have locked in on Biden.

[ITAL]

33. Nope, Nope, Nope

If they had Trump dead to rights, they'd have helped Democrats behind the scenes to take him out long ago. They don't know how to take him out and are hoping he'll die first.

[Jarqui]

35. I think it is a rope-a-dope to get Biden as their opponent and then play the age card

Look at Nixon messing with the Vietnam peace talks
Look at Reagan and Iran Contra
Lee Atwater

Republicans don't know how to be sleazy and ruthless?

They will take care of Trump when they feel like it.

They could have impeached Trump twice.
If both parties said he was guilty most of his base would accept it when the GOP propaganda networks spewed it 24/7. His base is not made of up of very intelligent people.

When the time is right, the GOP will take out Trump, make it look like the Dems got him and get the campaign PACs to pick up the tab for all the chiropractors needed from uncontrollably backslapping each other.

EDIT: they install an authoritarian like DeSantis
When Trump cries to the Supreme Court, the GOP oligarchs will buy the conservatives justices houses for twice what they're worth, give them an Alaska cruise and a tryst with a Stormy Daniels look-alike to give Trump a thumbs down.

[ITAL]

36. You're right, a lot of Trump's base isn't intelligent

And that's WHY they won't accept it. I know people that are so right wing that they think FOX is part of the normal media establishment. That's why they quit watching it when the election was called for Trump.

[Jarqui]

39. If Trump is convicted of sedition, his name will not be on the ballot

What are they going to do? Vote for Biden?

The GOP power brokers (oligarchs) will tell Trump "help us defeat Biden and we'll pardon you and give you $50 million (that's cheaper compared to campaign ads to try to pry these folks from their beliefs)" (making him an offer he cannot refuse)

What does the unintelligent base do when Trump and GOP propaganda news orgs tell them to vote GOP?
Most of them, as the sheep that they are, will do as Trump and the propaganda asks.

The GOP oligarchs are the puppet masters in what used to be and still pretends to be a democracy.

[ITAL]

43. They've never been his puppet masters

And plenty of Trump's supporters won't vote at all.

[Jarqui]

46. Sure they were. They're dumb enough to follow Trump.

They're dumb enough to follow anyone.

Tell me again how the Republicans voted on impeachment. They kept him for convenience - the lesser of two evils to them.

Republicans do not want to lose Trump's base.
They could assassinate him.
They could assist the Dems in taking him out and make it look like the Dems did it.

They're after power. Why would they just accept "ok, let Trump have the power and we'll be happy dealing with the crazy man .." They probably hate him as much as we do. Many of them can see how dangerous he is.

Trump is very vulnerable with all the legal situations.
They're just going to take him out and make it look like someone else did so they don't lose his base.

[ITAL]

47. Talk about conspiracy theorist

They're not assassinating Trump - LOL. They would have already helped the Democrats take him out if they could have.

You're right...they're scared of the base. And they have a right to be....because a lot of the Republican base isn't even Republican any more. They're completely in the thrall of Trump and won't vote in 2024 if he's not on the ballot. It's gonna take the people a long time to move on from him.

[Jarqui]

48. Very unlikely because there are so many other cleaner ways to get him

I'll bet it was discussed. "Lee Harvey Antifa"

If Trump goes against Biden in 2024, he's not going to win.
The legal news for Trump is not going to get better.
It is going to be a constant 'drip, drip, drip and then drop' when the verdicts or litigation decisions get rendered.

Right now, the GOP cannot win the White House with Trump.
And they cannot win the White House without Trump's base (yet - they're working towards that where legislatures can deliver the electoral votes for them).

The GOP will not take a pass on 2024. They have to act sooner before the shifting demographics will overtake them. I'll bet they already have done the marketing studies how how to spin his demise and have it all planned out. They were testing anti-Hillary ads in 2013 in places like Florida.

The GOP will not sit on their hands and give the White House to Biden in 2024.
They never have in my lifetime. They certainly won't this time.
They will see to it that Trump is done.

[moonscape]

49. You think tfg's base would

stay home? No other repub can win the nomination w/out his base, but in the General someone else on their side has a real shot. I think his base is engaged enough to show up because their hatred of us will drive them to the polls.

[wnylib]

78. And their hatred of us will be even stronger

if they believe the propaganda line that we (Dems) destroyed Trump. They will be revenge voting.

[LaMouffette]

52. Yikes! I could actually see the GOP taking out the Orange One and then blaming it on Hunter Biden

and their gullible cult members would fall for it, no doubt about it. If they fell for the Big Lie, they will fall for the Bigger Lie.

My God. What have Republican politicians become? Mob members, I guess.

[Jarqui]

53. They have a darn good idea on how they're going to take him out

if the Dems / courts don't or aren't doing it for them.

How many years was it before we found out about Nixon messing with the Vietnam peace talks? Or before we caught on to Iran Contra?

Trump is a walking, breathing crime scene. Do you think getting kompromat on Trump is beneath the GOP - after Trump used it on folks like Lindsay Graham? A bunch of them could rat him out as an insurrectionist and President DeSantis will give them a pardon. There's no limit to their scheming when power is involved. Otherwise, it will cost the GOP oligarchs billion$ in taxes.

The GOP have become one of the most corrupt political entities on the face of this earth. Nothing is beneath them. They're playing possum with Trump hoping the Dems or DoJ will do their dirty work to make salvaging his base easy. If the Dems or DoJ are falling short, the GOP will nudge it along behind the scenes once Biden is locked in for 2024.

[Eyeball_Kid]

50. The GOP might want to get rid of Trump, but doing so gets rid of Trump's base as well.

After that, the GOP gets 25% in the general, and the Dems gain supermajorities in both Houses. If they keep Trump (or, rather, if Trump keeps THEM), the GOP still loses both Houses because by voting time, Trump will be a convicted rapist, a convicted seditionist (Georgia) and a pending federal convict (Special Counsel) on multiple charges. After that, his base WILL shrink to ashes. There's only so much common sense that can be ignored. The guilty verdicts will slam his base.

[oldsoftie]

66. You really think all thats gonna be over in 18 months?

Hell, they're just NOW trying the Synagogue killer in Pittsburgh. And that was like 5 yrs ago. And he was caught in the act. The J6 committee took two years & couldn't really finish because of the election.
To me, the classified docs case is the biggest slam dunk & should be charged quickly. But my wishes mean little

[treestar]

73. Interesting

Has it affected her? If she is still supporting TFG, it didn't help, but it could have other effects. Though Tucker can keep her in that state, and he'll likely still do something that can show up on you-tube.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

19. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

Biden will beat Trump like a drum (again).

[Shipwack]

51. Never was a smiley more apropo... ::hat tip::

[stopdiggin]

23. I think the opinion rendered here is pretty much a given

To me - the larger question is, is Trump toxic enough to sink a lot of down ballot Republicans? (corollary being does Biden have any coattails?) And I don't think the answer to that is nearly as clear. But, obviously - the closer the Ds can come to hanging the bloated tick around the neck of the whole of the party - the better the prospects become for 2024.

[wnylib]

81. Abortion, guns, and LGBTQ issues

might work in our favor on down ticket issues. But the only issue that would really work in our favor, even in red states, is abortion. It could help us in 2024 like it did in the mid terms.

[stopdiggin]

84. yeah. and if I'm ANYONE'S campaign advisor

(and I don't care if the race is for school board or local dogcatcher) - I'm telling my candidate to hang that big red 'R' around your opponent's neck, every darned change you get. "Just look at what this guys buddies are doing in the statehouse! Want more of that?"

[GoodRaisin]

24. How I hope what he's saying is true.

My advice remains GOTV or risk the worst four years of our lives. He pulled 75 million votes last time and he’s no worse now than he was then. Rs going to vote R candidate. They don’t vote for their candidate they vote against ours.

[Sky Jewels]

25. "SAD"

Oh wait. Not sad.

“GREAT.”

[Johnny2X2X]

28. It is great, but risky

Trump likely won't win, but if Biden had a health issue Trump could win. And Trump in the WHite House for another term would be the end of the Republic. Our American experiment would be gone with another Trump term.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

41. I will likely retire early and leave the country if Trump wins

for exactly the reason you state.

[Emile]

32. I still prefer to see Trump in prison, even if he is the easiest to beat.

[dalton99a]

34. Republicans: Let Trump Be Trump. Stay the Course. Ban Books, Ban Abortions Everywhere.

And we need more hearings on Benghazi

[LiberalFighter]

37. There are plenty of Republicans that will not vote for him either.

[Quanto Magnus]

38. I certainly hope it's an election disaster for the GQP (eom)

[BlueIdaho]

42. Saying the quiet part out loud

Is killing the GQP. Emboldened lunatics like TFG and DeSatan have made it ok for party fascists to show just how poisonous and unAmerican their party is.

[Ms. Toad]

44. It was also supposed to be a blowout in 2016 and 2020.

It wasn't, either time. We would be fools to believe (and act as if) it will be a blowout this time.

[oldsoftie]

63. You're not allowed to point that out.

Only the total votes.........

[Ms. Toad]

69. Wasn't a blow-out based on total votes, either. n/t

[oldsoftie]

71. Well, 5-6 million total is quite a lead.

But I've been blasted for pointing out the REAL margin of victory was only about 45,000 in the swing States. Which STILL shocks me to this day. I knew '16 would be close but after 4 yrs I really thought he had no chance.

[progressoid]

55. This assumes that Trump lasts until 2024.

[oldsoftie]

64. It'd be something if "age' turned out to be a problem for Trump

Maybe one too many cheeseburgers.

[progressoid]

68. Ha! Indeed.

I was also thinking about all of the legal problems he's dealing with. I think his approval numbers will continue to fall.

[yardwork]

56. They don't have anybody. DeSantis can't win, neither can Pwnce.

[Polybius]

83. Thankfully Biden is running

If he weren't, it would be a problem.

[Tree Lady]

65. Maybe they are hoping he will have to quit

because of one of the court cases. Either way they have no real issues or major legislation so why not let Biden win again and start over without Trump in 2028.

They have the court and most state legislatures and are able to keep us from passing anything of value with the 60 vote thing. So they all grift make a ton of money off their people not caring if Joe gets in.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

79. That's quite the assumption

Either way they have no real issues or major legislation so why not let Biden win again and start over without Trump in 2028.

It's entirely possible that Fat Hitler will try to run yet again in 2028, and that he will still have a stranglehold on the party.

The traitor party is so far down the rabbit hole now that I wouldn't rule out that scenario in 2028.

[maxrandb]

72. The Retrumplican Party has been dying of the same heart attack for 25 years

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

80. I'd go with 43

That walking pile of shite known as reagan was no different from what we're seeing now.

[louis-t]

76. I guess they're wondering if they can cheat enough to win.

[NotVeryImportant]

77. David Frum is a piss aunt.

Remember the Bush II days?

He's living scum.

Can't take him seriously.

I will never forget.