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[vercetti2021]

1. For what?

What did you do in their eyes that triggered them?

[Meowmee]

4. This time

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I was going down an aisle which had a lot of wooden things they put food in to take out and put on the shelves in front of the items for sale. First there was a woman, and I was trying to get out of her way as we were going into the aisle, and said I’m sorry, and tried to stay out of her way. Then as I made my way down the aisle she weaved in and out in front of me. At least 4 times which is rude.

I should make it clear here that I didn’t do anything wrong or get in her way, she was moving very quickly as I was entering the aisle, and I have a tendency to try to get out of people's way etc.

As we got towards the middle or end of the aisle, I heard a man behind her complaining about how people leave their shopping carts in the aisle etc., she said she never does. It didn’t occur to me until later that he was trying to imply that I was doing something terrible by simply being there, and looking at items etc.

As we got to the end of the aisle there was a big traffic jam. I was trying to look at an item that I usually buy to see if it was on sale… there were several people in the aisle opposite, and a man wheeling one of those humongous cleanup carts…also a woman on a motorized chair cart, and there’s nowhere to go so, I moved over to the right in front of the things I wanted to look at, and then the man behind me starts telling me what are you doing, nobody was moving, they were just all standing there.

So I said why don’t you just go past me, it’s obvious what I’m doing, I’m trying to get out of everybody’s way. I can’t remember exactly what he said but it was something to the effect of like you caused the problem here, because blah blah blah, and I said to him I didn’t cause the problem, you did because you’re rude, and why don’t you calm down.

At that point he went past me, and I moved forward, the woman was nowhere to be seen, and I couldn’t see him anymore.

When something like that happens to me I usually turn my cart around and I go back down the aisle instead of trying to go towards or into a big traffic jam but I couldn’t do that because they were right behind me. I’m also recovering from a spinal fracture, and it’s hard for me to move around the same way I normally do.

Anyway the whole thing was very upsetting, and I told the management what happened but they didn’t seem to care because it was a customer doing that.

The other time it happened I was waiting at the glasses counter, and the man helping everybody didn’t see me, and went to help someone else after the person in front of me…and I said I was here before that person.

Well he, the person immediately started a verbal assault on me saying I was a liar etc. I don’t even remember now what he said but he was much more abusive. I told him off too, and then I went and told the management that I felt threatened by him. They paid more attention but did nothing.

This time I had some Hebrew National hotdogs in my cart so I can assume a few things about this man, one he’s a fascist, two he’s prolly a dumper, and three he is an antisemite most likely.

I should have told him who made you the arbiter of who is supposed to go first in a traffic jam while you’re shopping.

* In addition… I told the Costco cs they created the environment for this to happen because they’re stacking up lots of items to unload in front of items people are trying to look at/ buy during the rush-hour. They shouldn’t be doing that

[jimfields33]

9. I definitely think instacart is a great idea for you.

I used it during the pandemic and was satisfied with it.

[Meowmee]

12. I used Instacart during the pandemic

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I used Instacart during the pandemic… there was no other choice. But that was problematic also because one, it costs a fortune compared to shopping in person…I can’t do that anymore now. And I do not like other people picking my food out because I also got moldy and food going bad that way too. As well as crazy replacements for what I ordered. Once I ordered some chicken breasts at ShopRite I think and some candy. And all she got was a little bag of candy.

Shopping is really the only way for me to get out and do something right now because it’s limited activity and I can usually get people to help me if I need help putting an item in my cart.

[shrike3]

111. Sounds like you're in a difficult time of life.

Hope things get better for you.

[hlthe2b]

29. I NEVER go on weekends & try only to go at OPENING on a mid-week day.

The bumper cart scenario is not only typical but can be injurious. And then you have the young kids running in and out which not only puts THEM at risk, but you too, should you inadvertently hit them. And while my cart is never loaded up, even a single heavy item makes it hard to stop or maneuver in those instances.

Unfortunately, unlike Sam's (yeah, I know, Walmart) Costco is not open early and 10 AM still will bring out sufficient people that you won't have zero crowds, but it is better--especially on weekdays.

That said, most of this is a customer issue, not a Costco-specific issue (though the hours could be better which would help). The bad walnut issue is not specific to Costco and frankly, I trust their Kirkland brand a lot more than I do the store-specific brands elsewhere. If you think that specific Costco is negligent in pulling recalled items, though, I'd strongly suggest you go on their website and file a complaint there. When I had a problem with my credit card being cloned which could only have occurred at two places prior to it being detected, including the gas pumps at Costco, I contacted them and received a near-immediate series of emails from their corporate and local security. Within a day they had reviewed security tapes of the pump I was at and were able to determine that that pump had been checked that morning and late afternoon, thereby excluding Costco as the source of the clone device. I was quite satisfied. The other (non-Costco) store, however, not so much.

[Meowmee]

32. I go there when I can

I'm nocturnal and usually go before they close so there are not many people there. Sometimes I have to go on the weekend but also later usually. When I have been there in the morning it is not that bad usually unless it is a holiday.

I did not say it was a Costco issue specifically but it happened there. I was harassed twice by bully men there. And Costco created an unsafe situation for people shopping there even without it turning into a situation for fascist fodder there to harass people in that situation.

The walnut situation and moldy food is a Costo issue however, they are the ones selling moldy food, and they aren't being good about returns. I am very busy now but I will try to call the corporate cs and see what is going on with the moldy food and recalls etc. Clearly it is a Costco problem because it started in November and in April/May they are still selling moldy walnuts and giving people a hard time to return them. The reason this store may be worse is because this area has many fascist types, and some work in and run these places, it is not just the people shopping there.

When I return food items at most other places they never start questioning me, they say sorry etc. and refund me.
Something I have never liked about Costco is the way they harass you at the door to show your member id. That also creates a traffic jam at the door which makes it unsafe and aggravating. Even if you go in there, you cant purchase anything without your card/id. At Bjs they never ask for an id anymore, I think they used to. The way they treated my father was bad and I am sure the customer who did that will do it again. If someone can't handle one of those carts properly they should not be allowed in the store with one. Another thing that leads to that type of situation is checking everyone's receipt before they leave, it creates anxiety and a traffic jam when you are leaving.

That's good they did all of that to help you figure that out.

[BlackSkimmer]

30. I gotta say I figured you threw the part about the Hebrew National hot dogs

in there for fun!

I'm not Jewish, and I know of no other Jewish people in this little red town, but lots of people buy those dogs! They're the best imo.

I can quite honestly say I've never looked into another's cart, and I imagine this guy wasn't looking to see your selections if he was busy arguing with you.

You can't be serious.

[XanaDUer2]

35. HN are the only hotdogs I buy nt

[inthewind21]

38. Amazing

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. Did Costco do something to make you not want to go there?

I'm confused. And, btw, every store gets bad products nowadays. It happens.

[Meowmee]

5. This is a repeated problem... not OK to sell moldy bags of walnuts

Over and over again. Which is what they are doing. And they also were not aware of it at that store which they should’ve been…they’ve already had three recalls for moldy walnuts.

It happened at Costco so I’m going to mention that of course. There are lots of fascist types that shop there unfortunately.

[Ferrets are Cool]

6. Fascists shop everywhere.

I go into Costco ALL the time and live in one of the reddest parts of 'Merica and have never had ANYONE be a problem.

[Meowmee]

7. That is wonderful

Thanks for your input.

[Sympthsical]

11. I'm at Costco once or twice a week.

It's practically Führerhauptquartiere.

[BlackSkimmer]

27. Bwahaha!

[BlackSkimmer]

33. How do you spot a "fascist"?

Curious

[inthewind21]

36. Good Question

[BlackSkimmer]

40. I guess the first step is to check their cart for Hebrew National!

[live love laugh]

3. "happened after dump was installed" ... Huh?

[eShirl]

28. January 2017

[jimfields33]

8. Lots of facts missing. Sounds like they took your walnuts.

I don’t expect a clerk to know every recall that’s out there. Maybe they weren’t as helpful? They did fill out a form?

[Meowmee]

10. No clue if they really filled out a report they told me they were going to

No clue if they really filled out a report… they told me they were going to… They gave me a hard time returning them because it was under half of the bag. I ate up until that part and my brother ate some of them and then all of a sudden a moldy one again. Which means they were all starting to go moldy, and not properly stored so, I have now been exposed to mold again, and who knows what kind.

Anyway yes they did return it but the point is they’re still selling moldy walnuts, and nobody seems to really care, you can look it up online if you want to, I just did.

It’s also the second thing that I buy there that became moldy the other thing was a specialized soft taco shell which are gluten free. I bought them twice, and they were moldy within three days. They tried to give me a hard time returning the second time because some of them were eaten, and I said well I ate some of them, and then I ate the next ones... bit into my dinner, and it was moldy, and disgusting. I had to spit my food out. The woman I was returning it to was very nasty, didn’t even apologize until I pointed out that I could’ve gotten sick from this etc., and then she changed her tone.


I think if a store is having returns or recalls from bacteria, mold etc. they should be posting about that so employees know about it. They must’ve known something was wrong because I have returned the three bags there now, and complained. I can’t be the only one unless other people like eating moldy walnuts. After the second bag I stopped buying them for about a month, and I started buying them at bjs instead where they are never moldy. Then I decided to try again because it’s cheaper at Costco... again more moldy walnuts. Scratch one more thing off the list that I will be purchasing there because it’s not worth saving money if you have moldy food, get sick, and you have to go, and get harassed to return it.

No important facts missing.

[marybourg]

15. Just a suggestion: if you eat gluten free tacos because of sensitivity, then you probably

shouldn’t eat walnuts. They apparently, it is reported, are processed and/or stored with wheat straw around then and because of that are considered to not be gluten free.

[Meowmee]

16. These ones don't say

Thanks for the tip. I do know a lot of items mention that if they’re processed / stored around gluten. It’s really hard because there are so many things that I can’t eat now and that is one of the things I can. Usually I do not have a reaction if it is just a tiny amount like that although I was sterilizing the dishes and separating my silverware for a while.

[marybourg]

17. Sterilizing is fine for getting rid of bacteria, but it does not

get rid of gluten. Separating your silverware is a good idea, though, if your kitchen is not gluten free.

[Meowmee]

18. Several people who have celiac told me that sterilizing is very important

Several people who have celiac told me that sterilizing is very important… So I did that after I was in the hospital with a lot of issues in a crisis and that is what helped eventually.

I don’t do it anymore now though because it’s too expensive to sterilize, and use the dishwasher so I just use boiling water on any items that have gluten on it.

[marybourg]

20. Soap and water washes off gluten. Sterilizing is not useful. But it can't hurt!

[Meowmee]

22. The water is soapy too

Cold soapy water won’t remove it. That is what I was told by my doctors and others with celiac It seems to be confirmed by me slowly getting better when I started using the dishwasher on sterilize mode.

[marybourg]

25. If that's what helps , keep it up!

[Meowmee]

26. Thanks 😀

I will. Boiling water makes it much easier to clean the dishes too. Just heat it up in the electric kettle and it doesn’t use anywhere near as much energy as the dishwasher etc. I usually had to wash the dishes before I put them in the dishwasher anyway so, this is probably more economical all around.

[ProfessorGAC]

116. It Will

Almost every commercial cleaning product in the last 35 years will successfully micellize protenaceous matter, in a few seconds.
At the same time, the surface tension will be reduced such that rinse water will remove 99%+ of any gliadin and glutenin not micellized. 99.999% is already gone before the rinse.
Anyone who told you dish detergent doesn't remove gluten is wrong. It will remove it down to single digit parts per billion.

[Meowmee]

121. I prefer to go with what worked for me when I was

in a crisis etc. but thanks for the input.

[BlackSkimmer]

31. I can't stand big box stores like that, but not too long ago bought some boxed lettuce (unexpired)

that was almost rotten all the way through, which I couldn't see. The clerk took it back with no problems.

Over years, I've taken bag other items. They always are nice as can be in my little red town, always ask if I want money or an exchange.

Everyone leaves happy. Sounds like you need a different store!

[yardwork]

106. Is it possible these items are spoiling quickly because of storage in your home?

Are you storing them in a damp place, by any chance? Or a warm place, like on top of or above your refrigerator?

[msongs]

13. if i knew there was a food problem and i got 3 bad bags i would quit buying that stuff nt

[Meowmee]

14. stopped for about a month and I bought them at BJ's instead where they were never moldy

Then I decided to try it again hoping they had gotten rid of the bad batch that they’re still trying to sell. Obviously they haven’t done anything about the problem because the recalls started in November 22 and they’re still selling moldy walnuts.

I’m trying to save as much money as we can so I will always buy what is less expensive provided it’s OK. but I won’t buy that there ever again.

[BlackSkimmer]

60. Same here.

I hate having to return ANYTHING, but especially food items.

Re-reading some of the OPs posts, it seems that returning food is a fairly frequent event with her.

I think I'd stop going to that store.

[Earth-shine]

19. Costco is great with returns. But, food items must be returned by the exp date.

In general, food shopping at Costco has been great.

Every so often, we have bought a bad batch of this or that product. Costco will take them back for refund.

[Meowmee]

23. Sometimes they are great

These were all no where near the expiration date.

Sometimes they are not so great for me. I have noticed my Costco that I usually shop at is getting worse. Evidenced by instead of being concerned when I returned the items that have gone moldy instead of just accepting it they started questioning me about why one bag was open and the other wasn’t and saying another one was not half full etc.

I forgot about the time that I returned a big bag of lettuce to them…. it had gone rotten very quickly, but I couldn’t find the receipt. I purchased it 3 days before that. It was not opened at all and there was no expiration I could see. The person helping me told me after he looked it up that I had purchased in July but it was in the middle of September lol.

I told him there’s no way I purchased this in July and kept it in my fridge for three months and then brought it here to return it! But he just kept doubling down and arguing with me about it, finally I said I don’t care what you put on there to return it, just give me my money back please and then I complained by phone to cs later.

[Raine]

21. I quit going to Costco long ago because the customers were

so pushy and obnoxious, this was long before Trump.

[Meowmee]

24. Sorry you had that experience too

Both these incidents happened after dump. There have been several other incidents at other places some not related to shopping. There is a lot more open hostility nearly everywhere where I have to interact with people.

There was only one thing that had happened in the past there. That was when my father went there to purchase some orange juice for me not long after I got out of the ICU. Someone pushed their huge floor cart right up behind him and he fell over it somehow because he wasn’t aware it was there… he injured himself and was bleeding etc. I don’t think costco people were very helpful to him.

[Chakaconcarne]

34. I hate costco...probably 2nd to Walmart.

Why I never go there....

My impression is that most people who shop there (Costco) are from outside of town in the rural areas, which in my mind means more MAGA asswads...

[Meowmee]

55. Yes apparently

It attracts that type. But in the past, pre dump, I have never been bullied there before.

[inthewind21]

37. I hate

to break to you, but people in a Costco, Sams Club Walmart, the local grocery store or any other public place have been behaving badly for way longer than just since Trump arrived on the scene. That it happened to you AFTER is most likely merely coincidence.

[BlackSkimmer]

42. Exactly.

Though I have to say, I can't think of any particular times I've ever felt "bullied" at a grocery store lol.

At Whole Foods the other day, a hurried worker with a cart barreled into a customer. I saw the cart coming and managed to avoid being hit myself.

Apologies were offered, accepted and everyone moved on.

I'm assuming no fascists shop at Whole Foods, but hey! Who knows?

[maxsolomon]

39. I love my Costco. It's the 1st one. It's like the United Nations.

People from every nation on the planet. But there's always going to be someone in your way with a giant cart. Shit happens.

Lower your expectations.

"Hell is other people" -JP Sartre, No Exit

[Meowmee]

43. Yes shit happens

But I am talking about a specific thing which has happened twice now there… since dumpster…fascist fodder men who feel they can bully, order around and try to intimidate a woman.

Anyone who pulls that crap with me will be told off. As long as they aren’t carrying weapons. No, not gonna lower my expectations or accept being harassed in that situation. why should I.

I am glad you like your costco.

[BlueLucy]

46. I think the size of a person matters.

More men shop at costco than any other store and yes they are bullies. I am 5 ft 6 and recently lost 170 pounds. I was never bullied when I was huge walking down the isle but now men have been more willing to push me around. I guess they fear big women. I don't know? That has just been my expirience.

[Meowmee]

47. Yes that is typical

I think there were other factors too. But I am a petite, thin woman… and I was masked, and moving slower due to injury.

[BlueLucy]

48. I am just now seeing both worlds.

After losing 170 pounds I can tell you life is different. In one way, people smile more and in another way, people didn't fuck with me when I was big. Sadly, what you look like has a lot to do with it becuase that is the only thing people know about you at first.

[Meowmee]

49. Yes that's true for many sadly

I have also been in situations where I was harassed / bullied in someway by people my size or smaller than me too. But overall the size differential is often a common element I think.

Sorry you are experiencing that.

[BlueLucy]

50. I'm sorry you are going through this as well.

A lot of men shop at costco because they get costco benifits through their jobs which is usually industrial jobs.

[Meowmee]

52. Thanks 😀

Apparently it is also an attractive place for dumpers in general as well from what some said. I guess I was always somewhat aware of that however these two incidents that happened after dump was installed in office are evidence that they feel able to openly behave that way now since it never happened to me there before.

[BlackSkimmer]

70. I'm a small woman.

I'm also gay, and I've never hidden who I am.

Other than elementary school, I'v never been bullied for my size.

[BeerBarrelPolka]

73. I

I'm glad you posted that.

I'm a big, strong guy and I can assure you that I have not been immune to the wise ass that tries to bully me and other big guys. It's an ego thing with these loons.

EDIT: I want to be clear that I'm happy you haven't been bullied. My post is geared towards the OP to let her know that not only small framed people get picked on. It's a bad misconception.

[BlueLucy]

74. Your expirience isn't everyones.

You know that, right? Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean others have to lying or having unreasonable feelings. Surely you have at least some empathy for others.

[BlackSkimmer]

75. Neither is yours. I simply answered your anecdote with my own. "Discussion board" - get it?

Perhaps put me on ignore, or am I simply your target for today?

[yardwork]

108. I agree that some people seem to be ruder since Trump was elected.

They seem to feel as if they have permission to be rude. I'm sorry that happened to you.

I think it's a stretch to assume that the person is antisemitic, just because you had a popular brand of hot dogs in your cart.

And a lot of stores are having trouble keeping enough experienced staff. I wouldn't take the clerk's attitude personally.

[Tommy Carcetti]

41. I'm confused.

Not doubting you, but all I see is some issue at the store about walnuts.

Not sure where the harassment and bullying part came in.

[Meowmee]

44. It's described above

A man harassed me as well, the walnuts were a separate thing. The walnuts had nothing to do with that.

[Chernevog]

45. First

They came for our nuts...
and we said nothing...

[Meowmee]

51. For those who thought it was a big joke

That a fascist dumper and probable anti semite harassed me at costco you have been put on full ignore so, I won’t be reading any more of your abuse. Too bad one was still allowed to continue posting here afterwards.

It is not a joke.

And I am not sure why this website allows other members here to ridicule people who have been bullied which is a form of bullying itself, that is not ok either.

Bullying of people who are perceived as weak is one of the hallmarks of fascism.

This man was exactly the same type as the anti semite who called my brother a jew boy from his car in a parking lot.

[BlackSkimmer]

53. I think the poster was simply asking you what constituted the bullying?

We've all run into clueless clods who clutter up the aisles or pay no attention as they blunder about, but it's generally not people being intentionally hostile.

[BlueLucy]

58. I think she is talking about the Hebrew hotdog remarks with a laughing emoji

That's is the sheer definition of ridicule. I never thought I would see it here on DU but here we are. At a time when anti-semtism is on the rise and jewish people are at high awareness you take it upon yourself to tell a jewish person what she feels is unresonable. Classy! That is being a bully. She is here to talk about being bullied only to be bullied by YOU. You should apologize.

[BlackSkimmer]

61. Oh my. First of all, I have no idea if she is Jewish or not, ok Lucy? Do you know her religion?

Perhaps re-read my post? I said I purchase them frequently, and they are stocked in all the stores in my small red town. It's a popular brand.

I do find it ridiculous that someone would think a rando in a grocery would look for HN hot dogs in a cart. And then, make a decision about the person with them in her cart? Come on now. That makes no sense.

Why in the world would YOU or HER associate a food product with antisemitism? Do YOU perhaps think only Jewish folks buy HN hot dogs? Surely you don't think that? I buy a lot of kosher products, Lucy, and it has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.

Furthermore, you probably should learn to spell 'antisemitism", and the words "Jew" and "Jewish" are usually capitalized. In fact, your entire post could benefit from some spell checking.

Numerous people pointed out that they saw no evidence of bullying in her story. You've decided to personally attack me, and I'm fine with that. I hope it has made your day in some little way.

But you are way off base, dear. Say hi to Matt for me, and have a blessed day now.

[BlueLucy]

71. She is telling us her religion.

When she says she feels maga nazi men at costco may have looked in her cart and bullied her. I have no idea who Matt is. I'm just someone who believes people should be kind to one another. I don't care if you attack my spelling, grammer or capitalization. I only have a GED and my mom only went to 2nd grade. She was mexican immigrant brought here to be someones nanny, went to work in factories after that. I quit school in 10th grade to help my mom. That's the truth. I stand up to bullies tho.

Are you obsessed with Matt? becuase you brought him up here and I promise, I have no idea who he is.

[BlackSkimmer]

76. Who is Matt?

[BlueLucy]

77. You said, " Say hi to Matt for me."

You tell me. Who is Matt. Or did you forget you said that?

[BlackSkimmer]

78. ...

[Sympthsical]

79. Because it honestly sounds like something Larry David would write

I can already see this Curb Your Enthusiasm episode. Larry is shopping and encounters a rude and abrasive shopper who gets annoyed with him as he examines pickles in the aisle. After the encounter, Larry notices the only thing in his cart are Hebrew National hot dogs. He then spends the rest of the episode neurotically obsessing over whether or not the rude person at the store is an Antisemite. At some point, the fact he was looking at pickles will enter the debate because a lot of Jewish delis specialize in pickles. It writes itself with its Larry David qualities.

It went from abrasive shopper - which we all encounter - to fascist antisemite in like one thought skip.

That is not even a slightly logical deduction. It's a crazy popular brand that non-Jews all over the country buy regularly. I'm a Gentile and I prefer them for BBQs. A lot of people do. That leap from A to X is just really impressive. And, I'm sorry, it's kind of hilarious.

Can we just tone it down a little bit? This is peak "Why everything I dislike is fascist." I think this wins the contest. We are accepting no more entries. "I could sense what lay within that dark heart as his shadowy eyes rested upon my hot dogs."

We all deal with abrasive people at the store. Maybe they're having a rotten day or are annoyed about something unrelated. Who knows. I just wave that shit off when I encounter it. Be the duck. But it's not bullying. Sometimes people are just assholes. And that not uncommon encounter went to management? I bet they were thrilled, because they clearly had nothing else going on that day.

A bit back, I was in an aisle trying to make a decision about popcorn when a woman came up to me and made idle conversation. She really wanted me to know she was an incredibly strong empath and how that meant she could never live next to a cemetery because all of the bad energy there. I walked off with my white cheddary goodness and she followed me around the store. No, ma'am, I don't know what kind of energy the trees outside my house radiate.

It happens.

This is some high drama for a fairly pedestrian grocery store encounter. Social adjustment and not reading fascism into every life unpleasantness needs to be kind of a thing.

[BlueLucy]

80. I don't tell black folks what racism is or isn't do you?

Like wise I don't tell jewish people how to feel or not feel about what they think is antisemitism. Good grief! They are living in a time of high antisemitism and I don't know what they have experienced for them to be at heightened awareness for these things do you? PTSD? Also, when you use a laughing emoji and talk about it, you are ridiculing them. What is that for?

[Sympthsical]

83. This is silliness viewable from orbit

You're comparing an abrasive shopper whose innermost thoughts are being deduced from hot dogs to the violence Jewish people are experiencing at this point in time. There were no political statements made at all. Nothing to indicate anything at all. Just the fact a common and popular brand of hot dogs was in a cart.

I don't think there's any logical argument I can present that would pierce this.

Honestly, it's kind of offensive this rather normal incident is getting compared to the tragedies other people are going through.

Honest question. Is it really not obvious what this looks like and how it sounds? That comparing this incident to antisemitic violence is a completely reasonable connection to make solely on the basis of the hot dog deduction?

Sometimes people do need to be told, "Yeah, you're way out in the weeds here." And this is one of those times.

[BlueLucy]

84. Maybe, but not with ridicule. nt

[BlackSkimmer]

113. There is ridicule.

And there is incredulity.

Sometimes linked.

[LuckyCharms]

85. When it comes to an incident that bothered a person,

then that person doesn't need to be told jack shit.

If that person related the incident to something, then that person doesn't need to be told jack shit.

People feel like they feel.

[Sympthsical]

87. Assertions must be followed by facts

People have a right to how they feel about things. But when they are making factual assertions - in this case that Costco is full of fascists and this person is one of them - you need some evidence.

I understand how abrasive people can ruin one's day. I've certainly had experiences at the store where I'm just kind of pissed or annoyed for hours afterward. I think everyone has that at some point.

I'm not telling anyone how to feel - I'm not responsible for that. I am telling people, however, that calling people fascist on flimsy evidence isn't cool. Or even productive.

The word is overused, and this is one of the overusediest I've ever witnessed.

Anyway, I'm out, because there is no resolution or argument to be had in, "I feel this way, so it's true." A lot of people embrace that pattern of thinking, that we can magic realities based on our emotions. I'm not one of them. It's like arguing with someone about the Bible. No one's day gets better for it.

[BlackSkimmer]

100. Yes, it is all about "their" truth, isn't it, Lucky?

[BlackSkimmer]

99. She is NOT Jewish!

Get a grip hon.

[BlackSkimmer]

89. Well said.

Thank you.

[yardwork]

105. It's veering close to "everything I hate is woke" type reasoning.

[Sympthsical]

107. Except no one here believes that

Whereas many do engage in the other I mentioned.

[yardwork]

110. Well, the OP believes it. That's what I'm saying.

In the OP and responses in this thread we see a feeling of being pushed around, being belittled, and that's what we hear from MAGATs and QAnon types - they feel pushed around by vague external forces. They're not going to take it anymore. They're not clear about exactly what's happening but they sense that things are bad, have gotten worse.

It's an interesting insight into how people react when they feel powerless.

In this case, the poster took those feelings to DU and they're getting a reality check like a bucket of cold water. MAGATs have Fox News telling them they're right 24/7.

[Sympthsical]

112. Oh, I see

I'm sorry that I didn't quite catch what you were saying in the first response. I agree with you.

I also agree with you about that "vague sense" and think both woke and fascism are used as a kind of substitute articulation of something that isn't easily expressed.

And it's always hard to pin down, because people mean different things depending on the context. Instead of the two terms, I substitute in illiberal regression in the liberal sphere and authoritarian governance and diminishing of personal autonomy in the conservative sphere. Feels more precise and doesn't get bogged down in unrelated things. I don't have to get into debates about "woke" Disney because there's a Black Little Mermaid (Jesus, who gives a shit? She's got an awesome voice!) or whether or not Costco is full of Nazis.

Although, it feels like maybe I am debating Costco's Argentinian qualities at the moment.

All right. That one's on me.

[Chernevog]

54. Why

Are you assuming that when they said that they were going to report the incident that they were gonna report you. You return to bunch of items that? Were obviously moldy or gone bad on the shelf...

By law in virtually every state then items that are spoiled or out of date or found to be molded or on the shelf by law they are responsible. To remove the items and to check the items and to make sure that there's nothing wrong with the stuff that they're selling...

They were in no way shape or form bullying you. They were obeying the law and you treated them as if they were treating you badly when they said they had to report it and they were gonna. Report it and they were gonna report it and they were gonna report it and they were gonna report it because the law requires them to report it

[Kaleva]

56. Bullying people who are perceived as weak is a hallmark of humans

It's been happening since humans first walked the Earth

[Meowmee]

57. It is a hallmark of fascism

Look it up. Ty but I don't need an explanation of any of this.

[Kaleva]

63. It's a hallmark of humanity

Do you think school yard bullies are fascists?

[BlackSkimmer]

65. Good luck with this.

[Meowmee]

123. yes that is what they are

the fact that you don't connect bullying with what becomes fascism tells me you have more to learn, a lot more.

[GenThePerservering]

59. it's sure nothing new

I recall people acting like assholes from my earliest youth - screaming little league dads and people fighting over bargains at tent sales, man-babies getting into fights in parking lots. Most people don't act like this, we just remember those who do.

[Kaleva]

64. True

[tritsofme]

62. This is a deeply weird thread

[BlackSkimmer]

66. It reminds me of the door buzzard...such a fond memory.

And the corn flake chicken thread - it's nearing those heights.

If you've never seen the door buzzard thread, do yourself a favor and have a Saturday morning laugh! I still miss that guy.

[sir pball]

67. Can't forget Nuke The Moon nt

[BlackSkimmer]

72. That may have been during one of my breaks.

I remember some Lounge nonsense with narwhals lol...was that the moon thing?

Then there was Radio Lady, the corn flake thread....oh the memories!

[sir pball]

91. It was back on DU2

There was some plan by the US to detonate a nuke on the Moon for science stuff, and hooo boy did that thread get interesting. Everything from ruining the tides, to Lunar Mother woo.

I'll see if I can find it tonight when I'm home and can work some google-fu.

[BlackSkimmer]

114. I was not here during much of DU2, or maybe I don't remember it.

I do vaguely remember that lol. Too funny!

[Meowmee]

122. ignored

[XanaDUer2]

68. The head of our local Democratic County club

Was rude af to me, and bullying me. It's everyone. This was over renting a free meeting room.

[BlueLucy]

81. I totally agree.

Antisemitism is everywhere. Including places where you least expect it.

[XanaDUer2]

82. I doubt it was anti-semitism on his part

I was a lowly civil servant and he perceived himself in a power position over my working-class ass. And this is a DEMOCRAT.

I refused to participate in the group until he stepped down.

So, there are bad actors of all stripes.

[Meowmee]

120. it very well could have been

I'll give you another example. A lawyer I dated years ago overheard some local politicians and a judge calling him "the jew", when they weren't aware he was there to overhear it. This is the sort of thing that goes on everyday here, I could give more examples. Sometimes it is very blatant and vulgar and sometimes not. These people are not always openly antisemitic, that doesn't mean they are not being antisemitic. The large majority are conservatives/fascists, but not always, there is plenty of anti-semtism on the left as well, often masquerading as something else.

There are fascists on the left as well.

[Meowmee]

119. ah I see thanks for splaining to me that this was not all that bad because it is everywhere, lol.

[MissB]

69. I'm sorry!

That sucks.

I go to Costco about once a month on a Saturday morning. I arrange my morning such that I’m one of the first folks at the door right as they open. I get in, get the items on my list, and check out. I’m out of there within a half hour. I don’t browse or check out samples- I’m just there to grab my items and that’s it.

I don’t love shopping, so I try to make it as efficient as possible. The upside is that there aren’t a lot of folks around at that hour. The store isn’t crowded and I’m often one of two people in the aisle.

Maybe try to hit it at the start of the day?

Again, sorry you ran into nasty folks. They are everywhere.

[betsuni]

86. When the sweet showers of April have pierced

The drought of March, and pierced it to the root,
And every vein is bathed in that moisture
Whose quickening force will engender the flower;
And when the west wind too with its sweet breath
Has given life in every wood and field
To tender shoots, and when the stripling sun
Has run his half-course in Aries, the Ram,
And when small birds are making melodies,
That sleep all the night long with open eyes,
(Nature so prompts them, and encourages);
Then people long for Costco pilgrimages,
But beware of moldy walnuts and hot dog brands;
For shopping cart fascists rule the land.

[treestar]

88. lol

[BlackSkimmer]

90. No. I just can't.

[Kali]

92. ...

[XanaDUer2]

103. Lololol!

Good one

[BlackSkimmer]

104. Clever !

Perfect for this thread!

[Meowmee]

118. Nice that you think this is also a joke👎🏻

It's not. How about someone calling my brother a jew boy in a parking lot.. do you care to write a poem about that also? ignore... good luck to you.

[Kali]

93. someone making a comment in the aisle is bullying harassment?

to me that is just somebody being rude, an asshole perhaps. bullying to me is serious on-going cruelty. same with harassment - there is a time factor involved, along with the degree of mean behavior. this story of two instances in what? 5 or 6 years? of a rude customer where you shop? ppffftt you must lead a sheltered damn life! try working retail - think about the jobs the people you are complaining to have to put up with. whiny customers whining about other asshole customers. holy shit!

jumping - no - launching a dang rocket to conclusions that somebody trying to get in front of you in line is a maga fascist antisemite because you had hot dogs in your cart? whew!

pro tip: check packaged food for spoilage before consuming. clerks are understandably suspicious when folks try to return a few crumbs for a full refund.

sorry you had an encounter with a rude jerk and your walnuts were moldy, but man, these sure are first world problems.

[XanaDUer2]

94. I worked with the public 36 yrs

Rudeness, bullying from frequent patrons, stalking staff, threats, being glared at to intimidate, men masturbating in front of you ( never happened to me but two female librarians), entitled... I could write a book. Looking back, I don't know how I did it.

[Kali]

95. dealing with the "public" is the worst!

and plenty of them are "good liberals" - entitlement attitude and selfish people are everywhere.

[XanaDUer2]

96. Some of the worst cases at work (dragging staff into minor issues)

were the patrons who called staff over (adults), to complain that someone looked at them the wrong way, walked too near them, etc.

Like they expected staff to fly at that person, guns blazing, taking "their side" against the alleged miscreant. Um, no. Shit didn't work that way.

All we could do was listen and apologize (I apologized a LOT over the years). Staff were already stretched thinly, and 1. It is he said, she said, and 2. It is impossible for staff to monitor every little thing everyone is doing, at all times, in a public building.

Staff could and did intervene in stuff like, a fight broke out. Someone Overdosed. Someone shit on a chair. Someone is bothering a child or minor (we were on that, hard). Someone was rude to you, and we didn't witness it, not so much. The public complained about everything. I don't recommend my former career to younger people anymore. It comes with a great deal of burnout and vocational awe, and is not paid well for the expectations.

[BlackSkimmer]

98. Bwahaha ! Thank you!

Good lord, the amount of times someone has pushed ahead at a deli counter or at the checkout...well actually, not many because I live in the south...we're generally trying to let everyone go in front which can also be annoying.

But it is not bullying!

And omg, the hotdogs.

[Retrograde]

102. "The customer is always right"

goes the saying. In my experience dealing with customers they're maybe right about 20% of the time. The rest of the time - well, I've dealt with clueless, entitled, rude, brusque types of all backgrounds. For some reason, the customers who bring back a product and are reasonable in what they're asking for - refund, replacement, credit - and treat the employees like equal human beings get much better treatment.

Another pro tip: if your food purchases are consistently going bad after opening check how you're storing them. It's always possible there was a manufacturing or packaging problem, but take a look at the quantities you're buying and how you're storing them. I don't buy much food at CostCo because the quantities are usually too large for a small household to use before they go bad. In my climate, nuts - especially walnuts - often go rancid if they've been opened for a while - but it's not the store's fault.

[BlackSkimmer]

115. Absolutely.

Certain things I buy that I know are organic often seem to age faster.

I once took back a package of ribs that, despite a good expiration date, smelled awful the second I cut the plastic. I so rarely eat meat, that put me off it for months again lol. The store was very nice about a refund.

Another time I had lettuce that had gone bad within a day of purchase. If I'd not had the receipt, I'd have chalked that 3 bucks up to oh well, but I did have the receipt.

Manager barely glanced at it, very nice and asked if I wanted another item or the money.

[Meowmee]

117. I see... lol

Your logic is faulty. Try practicing some more until you get better... you have been put on full ignore. Thanks for alerting me that you are yet another that needs to be put there. 😁

[dalton99a]

97. When God made people, he made half of them assholes

At least

[BannonsLiver]

101. These stories are so interesting because this kind of thing never happens to me.

I can’t imagine why. May be because I generally keep to myself and aren’t looking to scrap.

[shrike3]

109. Sorry this happened to you.

Rudeness is everywhere. I agree with the poster who says Instacart may be the solution for you. A friend of mine does all her grocery shopping that way, and that it's made her life much easier.

Good luck.