A very scary tweet about Covid from the WHO

[AntivaxHunters]

Covid is NOT over & I seriously hope you're wearing a mask in public where's there's people. This is scary as hell especially given 10s of millions don't have healthcare...



Here is the first tweet of the thread which is several tweets deep.
This is very much worth reading.

Link to tweet

?t=QWmEVKa4iSJ0i58IHsE6Cw&s=19

[niyad]

1. I still mask in public, will continue as long as necessary.

I hate the things, am severely claustrophobic, but I wear them.

[AntivaxHunters]

4. Look into getting a p100 madk

Much more comfortable & even better protection 😁

[moonscape]

33. Even better how?

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

46. I am out of practice with the whole masking thing. It was second nature a year ago

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

2. And Virus's can live in your body and cause Cancer and other diseases later in life

Even if you recover easily.....
See also, Epstein Barr, HPV and Chicken Pox.

[Ms. Toad]

6. Cancer might be a bit of a stretch.

But time will tell. The kinds of viruses which cause cancer, that I'm aware of, are localized (HPV), or create long-standing, near complete, distribution of the immune system (HIV), with a consistently detectable viral load. COVID does have some lingering effects on the immune system, for many, but the virus leaves, or at least becomes undetectable, and the impact on the immune system isn't so devastating.

But I completely agree as to the rest. One study indicated that 59% of people with COVID had organ damage at one year. Trying shingles is already a known complication from COVID, and were finding more every day. Unfortunately they aren't being well publicized.

I'm getting more and more questions about my mask, a mask wearing becomes less and less common.

[BlackSkimmer]

7. I still see them.

Both older and younger people, but usually older.

[Ms. Toad]

11. I occasionally see them around here.

Since I see the same people frequently, and they aren't consistently wearing masks, I'm pretty sure most of them are wearing them only when they have either recently had COVID or have symptoms. In other words - I recognize the mask wearers I saw yesterday and they weren't wearing masks the rest of the semester.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

15. HPV causes 90% of Cervical Cancer

So no you are wrong....with the new HPV vaccine they may be able to wipe out Cervical Cancer caused by it...

So no it is NOT a stretch at all

And regardless of Covid...Shingles is a longterm effect of the Chicken Pox virus. The kids getting vaccinated for it now will never be bothered by Shingles in the future.

Also, they are currently using the MrNA vaccine to address Cancer in the near future...that is why. Because YES one cause of Cancer IS viral.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/6-viruses-that-can-cause-cancer/

https://www.technologynetworks.com/cancer-research/news/epstein-barr-virus-may-lead-to-cancer-372618

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/apr/15/dna-traces-of-ancient-viruses-may-help-fight-cancer-study-finds

https://today.ucsd.edu/story/how-a-virus-causes-chromosomal-breakage-leading-to-cancer


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/triple-negative-breast-cancer-could-a-cancer-killing-virus-clear-up-tumors

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/02/09/how-we-can-use-immune-cells-to-deliver-cancer-killing-viruses-to-tumours/

https://scitechdaily.com/breaking-bad-how-a-virus-infecting-90-of-the-worlds-population-unleashes-cancer/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/hpv-can-cause-cancer-many-people-dont-realize-rcna79597

Development of intravenously administered synthetic RNA virus immunotherapy for the treatment of cancer

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-33599-w

https://www.genengnews.com/topics/translational-medicine/cancer-causing-viruses-hijack-human-protein-to-evade-immune-response/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/oral-sex-fuels-epidemic-cancers-29832322

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230206/Cancer-causing-viruses-use-a-human-protein-to-evade-the-innate-immune-response.aspx

[Meowmee]

22. Epstein barr virus also can cause cancer

And there are others

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

38. Yes as I noted in my list

As well as many Autoimmune Disorders

They do not seem to understand that

[Meowmee]

50. I missed that

Sorry. Yes it played a role in my type 1 D. It is also involve in covid in some way I believe because I had a reactivation of it when I had Covid pneumonia.


I also just read an article recently, I can’t find it right now, about how many other viruses are now believed to be involved in the development of various cancers.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

55. I think in the future.....much like Inflammation

They are going to discover much more of the connection of diseases that are called Autoimmune and Viral Activation and Cancers.....Look how long the denied Epstein Barr and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome..

They are now looking to cure Cancer with viruses

[Meowmee]

56. I wish something could cure type 1

With any means. It is a living hell. I don’t think I’m going to see any type of real cure at any point in my lifetime, maybe not even better treatments.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

57. Just be glad that

It's not just Ultra Potent Steroids that is all they have to offer you because they don't know what else to do...Steroids which as you know have their own set of issues to deal with.

[Ms. Toad]

30. Cervical (and throat) cancer

were the two I was specifically referencing by the word "localized." Throat cancer through HPV from oral sex, and Cervical cancer through HPV from vaginal sex)

Most of the additional references fall into either localized or ongoing illness/detectable viral load.

COVID, so far, is not localized - and once it is gone you no longer test positive for it.

As to shingles, there is a 15% increased risk of getting shingles in the 6 months following COVID. And - the chicken pox vaccine is a live vaccine so it remains in the body and can cause shingles. It is less likely to than having a chicken pox infection, but shingles will not disappear simply because of the chicken pox vaccine.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

37. Chicken Pox is not

And neither is Epstein Barr

[Ms. Toad]

41. Chicken Pox does not, to my knowledge, cause cancer.

(The only reference I can find suggests it lowers the risk of brain cancer.)

Epstein Barr can cause a few types of cancer, but also generally has a detectable viral load both in healthy, post EBV, individuals and at the time of cancer diagnosis (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6379266/).

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

43. The point is missed here...

We are about to start attacking Cancer because of Viruses.....literally WITH viruses.

That's what they were doing creating the MNrA vaccines. They were working on one that fights all virus's and that will lead to Cancer breakthroughs

We just figured out what Epstein Barr does. We just started vaccinations for Chicken Pox and HPV that will end Shingles and cervical and other cancers that causes.

Virus's effect the immune system longterm. We have just begun understand Autoimmune disorders....Even Diabetes is thought to be autoimmune.....but we KNOW viruses cause Autoimmune disorder.

Did you know that people with Bad Allergies ....those with overactive immune systems are are less likely to get Cancer???

https://www.cancer.org/healthy/cancer-causes/infectious-agents/infections-that-can-lead-to-cancer/viruses.html

And even Covid
https://www.ajmc.com/view/kashyap-patel-md-sees-link-between-covid-19-and-cancer-progression-calls-for-more-biomarker-testing

Here are more even I wasn't aware of

Researchers know that there are several viruses that can lead to cancer. For example, the human papillomavirus (HPV) can cause cervical and
several other cancers. And hepatitis C can lead to liver cancer and non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma


https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/focused-on-health/7-viruses-that-cause-cancer.h17-1592202.html#:~:text=Researchers%20know%20that%20there%20are,cancer%20and%20non%2DHodgkin's%20lymphoma.

[Ms. Toad]

44. Not missing the point at all,

And my daughter with an overactive immune system is at such a high risk for cancer BECAUSE of her 2 autoimmune disorders, starting at age 19, she has to have an MRI scan and an ultrasound alternating every 6 months to detect 4 of the 5 cancers she is likely to acquire BECAUSE of her overactive immune system early enough to have a snowball's chance in hell of catching them in time to treat them. She has a colonoscopy every year to detect the 5th cancer for which she has an increased risk. And, she is also about to start a new treatment which puts her at risk for a 6th cancer (as do many of the current treatments for autoimmune disorders).

So it is not, as a general rule, true that those with overactive immune systems are less likely to get cancer. Some of the increased risk many face is inherent in the disease (the first 5 cancers for which my daughter is at a dramatically increased risk - colon, pancreatic, gall bladder, liver, bile ducts). Some are treatment-related (TNF blockers, methotrexate (commonly given with TNF blockers))

And, as I noted earlier, people who are vaccinated for chicken pox can still get shingles, and cervical cancer is still possible even with HPV. The risk is significantly lower, but not zero. (Not to mention that both have been available for around 2 decades (not sure why the reference to "just started&quot ).

Viruses do not, in general, cause autoimmune disorders. The general pathway for most autoimmune disorders is a genetic predisposition coupled with one or more environmental triggers (which can be, but is not always, a virus) that kicks the immune system into overdrive. For my daughter we have identified both the genetic predisposiiton and the trigger (allergic reaction to poultry) for her first disease. For the second we have not identified either - but it arises almost exclusively within the population that shares her first autoimmune disease.

That is not to say that viruses are not a promising tool in the fight against cancer. Simply that I have not seen evidence yet that COVID falls within the virus categories I am aware of for which there is solid causation evidence as to cancer.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

45. YES you missed my point and are making this a personal

Issue now.....this ain't about YOU or your daughter. I know what I know and I backed up my claims...with EVIDENCE. At least 7 known virus's that DO cause Cancer and they also cause Autoimmune disorders. We do not yet know whether Covid will add another

Here is NIH:

Viruses have been considered as major environmental factors that trigger the autoimmune phenomena in genetically susceptible individuals [2,3]. Multiple mechanisms have been proposed to explain the breakdown of self-tolerance by viral infections


For a long time, viruses have been shown to modify the clinical picture of several autoimmune diseases, including type 1 diabetes (T1D), systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), rheumatoid arthritis (RA), Sjögren’s syndrome (SS), herpetic stromal keratitis (HSK), celiac disease (CD), and multiple sclerosis (MS). Best examples of viral infections that have been proposed to modulate the induction and development of autoimmune diseases are the infections with enteric viruses such as Coxsackie B virus (CVB) and rotavirus, as well as influenza A viruses (IAV), and herpesviruses. Other viruses that have been studied in this context include, measles, mumps, and rubella. Epidemiological studies in humans and experimental studies in animal have shown that viral infections can induce or protect from autoimmunopathologies depending on several factors including genetic background, host-elicited immune responses, type of virus strain, viral load, and the onset time of infection. Still, data delineating the clear mechanistic interaction between the virus and the immune system to induce autoreactivity are scarce. Available data indicate that viral-induced autoimmunity can be activated through multiple mechanisms including molecular mimicry, epitope spreading, bystander activation, and immortalization of infected B cells. Contrarily, the protective effects can be achieved via regulatory immune responses which lead to the suppression of autoimmune phenomena. Therefore, a better understanding of the immune-related molecular processes in virus-induced autoimmunity is warranted. Here we provide an overview of the current understanding of viral-induced autoimmunity and the mechanisms including molecular mimicry, epitope spreading, bystander activation, and immortalization of infected B cells. Contrarily, the protective effects can be achieved via regulatory immune responses which lead to the suppression of autoimmune phenomena. Therefore, a better understanding of the immune-related molecular processes in virus-induced autoimmunity is warranted. Here we provide an overview of the current understanding of viral-induced autoimmunity and the mechanisms that are associated with this phenomenon.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6723519/#:~:text=Viruses%20have%20been%20considered%20as,viral%20infections%20(Figure%201).

I ALSO have a rare lifelong condition that is believed to be an Autoimmune Disorder and the only treatment is Ultrapotent Steroids...but all it does is slow progression...



So I am moving on past you now.....Have a good life. Good Luck to your daughter with her condition

[Ms. Toad]

53. I think that's pretty much what I said.

Viruses have been considered as major environmental factors that trigger the autoimmune phenomena in genetically susceptible individuals [2,3]. Multiple mechanisms have been proposed to explain the breakdown of self-tolerance by viral infections

Genetic predisposition + environmental trigger (which may be a virus, among other things).

I don't think it's me that is making this personal. This is at least twice you've told me I'm wrong about something and then quoted something to correct me which says pretty much exactly what you claimed I was wrong about.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

47. Also According to NIH

Results: Individuals with any type of allergy have a decreased risk for cancer (compared with the general population), including glioma, colorectal cancer, cancer of the larynx, non-Hodgkin lymphoma, cancer of the esophagus, oral cancer, pancreatic cancer, stomach cancer, and uterine body cancer.



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17718097/#:~:text=Results%3A%20Individuals%20with%20any%20type,cancer%2C%20and%20uterine%20body%20cancer.

I said OverActive Immune System.....not Autoimmune Disorder. ...I am at an increased risk of M.S., Rheumatoid Athritis and Cancer because of my Autoimmune disorder.

[Ms. Toad]

52. An autoimmune disorder IS an overactive immune system.

Its overactivity is selective, but so are allergies. In an autoimmune disorder, the overactive immune system is trying to protect the person against one or more of their own body parts. In allergies, the overactive immune response is to an external, rather than internal threat.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

54. LOOK ....I have repeatedly tried to tell you

I know all this FIRST HAND .....I have had Severe Allergies since childhood....including Asthma.. .and now have recently diagnosed Autoimmune. I know EXACTLY what all of it is.....I am well informed on the subject...

And YES they do believe much Autoimmune Disorder is activated BY Virus's just as I said

You attacked and questioned MY claims. You did not agree....you disagreed...but I have done my research....and posted my sources...

[littlemissmartypants]

21. Could you please explain/elaborate on this? I'm confused. TY❤️

Trying shingles is already a known complication from COVID

[Ms. Toad]

28. For six months after COVID, there is an increased risk of shingles.

15% higher for people over 50.

The study results showed that people aged 50 or older who contracted COVID-19 were 15% more likely to develop shingles compared to people who were never diagnosed with COVID-19. The risk for developing shingles was highest for up to six months after a COVID-19 diagnosis. The researchers also found that people who had been hospitalized with COVID-19 were 21% more likely to develop shingles.

(Quoted from this article)

[littlemissmartypants]

29. Interesting! Thanks so much! ❤️

[Ms. Toad]

31. My spouse got her 4th of 5th bout of shingles

within 6 months of having COVID. So when I started seeing references to the connection I kept my eye out for a connection.

[littlemissmartypants]

32. How awful for her!

I don't know that I've had Covid but I have had Shingles more than three times. Horrible stuff. ❤️

[Ms. Toad]

34. Her first bout was younger than average

Because of that she was allowed to get the vaccine early - but the older vaccine is not as effective as the newer one. She has now had the newer one.

Fortunately, she has caught all of them (including the first) very early. She's never had the blisters - but even catching it that early she's been on opioids off an on for 2 weeks with each bout.

[littlemissmartypants]

36. I don't think most people realize how painful it is. Thank goodness for the vaccine.

I haven't been able to get it yet because it hasn't been long enough since my last bout. I'm hoping I don't have it again before then.

[Ms. Toad]

42. My spouse got the newer vaccine

maybe 5 months after her last bout.

[wnylib]

40. I am also getting questions now about wearing my mask

since so few people wear them, the holidays are over, and warmer weather is here.

I slide the mask down when outdoors, but pull it up when I go indoors. The Inside of my apt. is the only place indoors where I don't wear one. Even if I go into the hall of my building, e.g. to the laundry room, I put one on.

In just the past couple weeks, though, I've noticed a few more people wearing masks. My health care provider's office has made masks optional, but several of the nurses, NPs, and PAs still wear one.

At the supermarket a few days ago, I noticed that more customers (usually seniors) and employees (even young ones) are choosing to wear masks. So I wondered if it was due to people coming back to work after a few days off with covid. I asked a cashier. She said that she wears a mask because she's pregnant and the job puts her in touch with dozens of strangers daily.

[ARPad95]

12. Also CMV (cytomegalovirus).

[JCMach1]

25. Even if it doesn't cause cancer, the list of things it did to my body is a horror show

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Lung damage, heart damage, brain fog (actually showed on MRI), Type 2 diabetes, hidradenitis suppurtiva, and a seemingly permanent state of some body inflammation.

Brain fog, auto immune symptoms, and heart/circulatory issues tend to top the lists of what people experience on the average

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

49. I will seriously be surprised if we find out

It doesn't cause Cancer to tell you the truth ...considering all it does do to the human body

[OnDoutside]

3. I just got my 3rd booster shot a couple of hours ago. I was going to get it anyway but

two people I know died from Covid in the last couple of weeks...it hasn't gone away y'know...

[AntivaxHunters]

5. I'm sorry to hear that

That's horrible...

[OnDoutside]

17. Thanks, yeah one of them was a sprightly 82 but walked 5 miles a day, and it started to hit his

lungs, affected the breathing, then got pneumonia in hospital to finish him off.

[ananda]

10. Just got my fourth booster (six Moderna shots so far).

I did get RSV a few weeks ago. It was one weird virus..
no fever, but symptoms out the kazoo.

[OnDoutside]

16. I should have been on my 4th but a mix up meant I didn't get my second until last November.

2 AstraZeneca
A Pfizer booster
Another Pfizer shot which I thought was the second booster but was a top up of the first Pfizer booster
Then the 2nd Pfizer booster
Now the Spikevax (Moderna) Adapted BA4-5

The one thing I learnt from previous is to start the Paracetamol before I get the jab, so hopefully that will stand to me again this time.

[ananda]

48. Mild reaction here, just a sore arm and not that bad.

I expected my arm to hurt more like it did before.

It wasn't as sore and I feel good too.

That RSV really got me though. I'm over it now,
completely, but that was one fierce, long expertience,
though oddly enough, I never got a fever and didn't
feel all that sick. I medicated to the hilt, but only
the Robitussin, gargling, and nasal flushes helped
keep my throat from getting too sore.

The antihistamines were pretty much worthless,
but I still took them.

[Meowmee]

23. How many did you have total, Do you mean the bivalent?

Do you mean the bivalent? I had one b and I’m wondering if I should get another one that was in September, quite a while ago.

I am very sorry about your friends.

[OnDoutside]

24. Yes it is the bivalent

Spikevax bivalent Original/Omicron BA.4-5 contains elasomeran and an additional mRNA molecule, davesomeran, with instructions for producing a protein from the Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 subvariants of SARS-CoV-2.

I think this is my first bivalent but 6 shots over all

2 Astra Zeneca

Double Booster Pfizer

2nd Booster Pfizer and

now Moderna for the 3rd booster

[Meowmee]

51. Ok so only the moderna booster you had was a bivalent?

Just wondering if I need to get another bivalent shot because my last one was a Moderna bivalent booster in September.

Are they recommending it yet? Unfortunately, I think I’m gonna have to do partial in person teaching again at some point and I want to know if I should do that. I will still be masking of course anyway…and I will probably be the only one there that does anymore.

So sick of this crap.

[OnDoutside]

59. When I went they said that the Moderna had a better response

and I was happy with that. If you plan to be teaching in September then it might be no harm to see if there's a booster you can take in July/August ?

[inwiththenew]

8. Hardly anyone masks anymore and booster rates are abysmal

We collectively as a society have given up on this.

[LuckyCharms]

9. Had a doctor's appointment this morning.

Not a soul in there had a mask on. I had a fitted N95 on.

Guy came in after me while I'm in the waiting room. He looked like walking death.

Check-in woman asked him (as she asked everyone) if he had any Covid symptoms. He must have said yes, because she handed him one of those useless surgical masks.

He put it on, sort of. Wore it like a chin diaper. Then he slow walked to the bathroom. Thought he was going to fucking drop dead before he made it there.

I tend to talk to myself, especially when I'm wearing a mask.

This came out of my mouth loud enough so a different guy across the room looked at me: "Jesussss Fucking Christ".

[SunSeeker]

20. Same experience here.

Had woman in the neighborhood die of covid. She was only 53.

[LexVegas]

13. I am vaxed and boosted. I no longer mask in public unless it is required.

I don't have any problem whatsoever with people who choose to do so.

[617Blue]

14. Had 2nd Moderna Bivalent boost on Monday and wow did it kick my ass

I had the chills and muscle aches for 2 days. I've had 7 Covid vax's and never had a response like that.

Gonna keep doing it though.

[RussBLib]

18. might indicate it's been a long while since your previous shot

My wife and I have been spacing them out every 4-5 months. Never had a bad reaction other than a sore arm for a couple of days. Got another Moderna bivalent back on 4/14, my 7th shot overall. By the time August rolls around, I hear they may have a new updated booster. We have had 3 family members die of Covid, so we don't fuck around with it, and we are still wearing masks when in crowds. In all this time, we have never had any snide remarks about our masks, nor have I perceived any side-eye looks. Of course, we stay away from the Trump-fanboy gathering places, of which there are a few here.

[617Blue]

19. Had 1st Bivalent in Oct 2022

and have had 7 shots now. Not sure why this one had more impact. I guess it's good to have immune response.

Yes I'm still masking in stores.

[moonscape]

35. Your immune system is working :)

[liberal_mama]

27. I mask every time I go out. My vaxxed/boosted dad died of Covid 6 months ago. The vax doesn't

protect you from getting Covid and dying from it.

I mask because I'm immune compromised, but I also have terrible PTSD from watching my father die a terrible and suffering death from Covid. Covid is still bad.

Thousands of Americans still die and become disabled from Covid every week. I understand political leaders and public health officials are trying to hide it for political reasons, but it's killing a lot of people.

[617Blue]

39. Very sorry about your Dad, I have immune issues too

Been vaxed 7 times. Mask up when I'm out.

Haven't had a cold in 3 years KNOCK ON WOOD.

[Johnny2X2X]

26. Only 1 in 10 now?

That's much lower than previous estimates which were 1 in 3 or 1 in 4. 1 in 10 is less than the flu. This seems like good news.

[AProudDem_5579]

58. What a nightmare

We'll never be rid of this terrible disease anytime soon.

[JanLip]

60. It's like

Trump. You try so hard to get rid of him but he keeps coming back.

Jan