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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump is a serial criminal. All of his crimes will never be discovered or prosecuted.
As soon as you turn over one rock, there are two more to turn over. The truth is that even if he can do something legally and straight-up, he will choose to do it illegally. Because he is a snake and he will never be an honest person.
The latest news is that the Special Counsel may be looking at mail fraud for illegal campaign spending and raising of funds. Sure, he can uncover that rock but there will be another, and another, and another.
Someday soon he will be called to answer for "some" of his criminal activities. However, there is not enough time left in this world for him or his prosecutors to charge him with all his crimes.
Also, he is unable to tell the truth, even when it is to his advantage. He should never be trusted by anyone.
Surely, if there is dogshit on the bottom of his shoes, then someone else must have carried it into the room.
We are dealing with a very mentally-ill person.
gab13by13
(32,335 posts)the Republican nominee for president of the United States, for the 3rd time. What does that say about our country?
I wish that more people understood the precarious situation our democracy is in.
kentuck
(115,407 posts)...and to blame someone else for his own actions. His world is binary - it is always "us" vs "them". He would suffocate on his own stench if he was not able to share it with his followers.
Republicans have proven the old maxim: "Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything".
musclecar6
(1,884 posts)The people who would still vote for this would be Hitler at this late stage, are either stupid, greedy or both and dont give a fuck about anyone else. To sum up, the garbage of our society.
moondust
(21,288 posts)Large numbers have apparently convinced themselves they are God's chosen holy ones so they can commit crimes and do anything else they want without consequences.
Oh my name it ain't nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I was taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side
Oh, the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh, the country was young
With God on its side
~
https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/30084688/Bob+Dylan/With+God+on+Our+Side
Tetrachloride
(9,624 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)We need one capable of recognizing and able to act effectively for removal of crime from our highest institutions. We need in pretty soon, too. Ours is compromised to the hilt due mostly to the charade's main characters who believe ancient reference and arcane mis-definition are superior to facts and logic as requirements for the reliable administration of justice.
Tetrachloride
(9,624 posts)Long ago, i turned down the Ivy League because i didnt know anyone there. i could have learned a lot but at what cost.
So, I have never met a strong Democratic leader in over 20 years.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)daughter of a moonshiner and a daughter of a professional inventor of things. Cornell, Harvard and Harvard/MIT respectively.
Are you equating strong with "ivy league educated"? I can, perhaps, see the association but I'm not sure how it would relate to electability. Do the parties have a predictable definition associated with their alma maters?
Are you equating strong Democrat with "ivy league educated"? I am perhaps fatally naive, but I find that unpalatable yet maybe an explanation for the dearth of local and state office Democratic candidates' un-electability in some regions.
Regardless, thanks for the reply.
Tetrachloride
(9,624 posts)I only knew my little pond and not very well.
The last one Dem of national status that I met lost their gumption.
It would be nice to have dozens more Dems who get on MSM and fight. I dont know why Dems dont make more waves.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)His whole enterprise is a series of scams and cons. Totally deserves some rico prosecution to come his way. Strip away his properties and assets in rico prosecutions and judgements. Probably losing his assets like that would be more painful for him than spending the rest of his life in jail. He deserves both.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Might be going the RICO route. How does that work? State and Fed?
MiHale
(13,032 posts)Witnesses intimidated, judges hassled they tell him to stop he keeps going. The only way to stop him is cut off his thumbs and literally stick a ballgag in his mouth.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)he is sabotaging himself intentionally. It appears he just can't help himself. Is he trying to defy the odds or does he want to be caught? Mindboggling.
MiHale
(13,032 posts)On some level he is a gambler, real estate can be considered a gamble depending on how you do it. All that adds in to what I think is a Catch Me if You Can mentality. All on top or at least mixed in to a narcissistic and authoritarian personality.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)Though from his track record, he's not a very good gambler. He takes unreasonable risks that often fail.
"Catch Me if You Can mentality" - I think you're right. I think he enjoys the thrill of it all, evading the law and never being held accountable. I think his luck has finally run out though.
newdayneeded
(2,493 posts)are too timid to take down past president. This guy is not shaking in his boots as many here have stated. He simply knows he's above the law.
What would solve this is Monday, they level the 2 top indictments on him. just fucking do it! you've got a 2 foot tall stack of evidence for each crime, JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY!
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)I think on some level he might be nervous knowing that eventually his luck will run out.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)That's what we have to figure out???
Lovie777
(22,985 posts)that alone is extremely disturbing.
Hopefully the Americans who enjoy democracy outweighs the insanity, that includes wacko criminal shithole.
gab13by13
(32,335 posts)but Trump can win the presidency with 46% of the vote, not likely, but possible.
The states are suppressing the vote and gerrymandering so that the minority can win, not to mention cheating.
Mr. Ected
(9,714 posts)A venue from which he couldn't have been committing more crimes.
He's not just a criminal, he's an opportunist. Our toothless, preferential system gave him all the opportunity he needed to continue on his lifelong crime spree. He did the math (3rd grade level) and calculated that if, indeed, a sucker was born every minute, he'd have at least 70 million sucker votes in any election, the biggest gauntlet ever erected to insulate him from punishment.
He was never disincentivized from committing felony upon felony. In fact, his sucker brigade encouraged him and took his punishment on themselves.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But to think of what is complied with thru common sense, tradition, and honor system that IS NOT illegal. And how to toe the line.
hydrolastic
(547 posts)Its like someone has told them this and that its true.
Fanni willis is supposed to make "charging decisions" by sept 1. What does that even mean? He will be locked up then awaiting trial ? or are we talking about that's all she is going to do is decide to decide later. We saw it the first time when he said "Russia if you are listening" he was inviting foreign interference into our election. After countless threats he still gets away with it. He just needs to be put in a set of handcuffs. And led away.
kentuck
(115,407 posts)Because sunlight is the best disinfectant. Everyone needs to see the same facts at the same time.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Unlike OJ, Trump needs to be convicted and sentenced to imprisonment instead of walking because his attorney was *slicker than the prosecutor.
* slicker: a covering for inclimate weather (due to climate change); grossly criminal injustice commonly found in compromised judicial systems; eely, slimy and willing to do anything for a price (even when it's raining facts to the contrary)
ificandream
(11,837 posts)He's done way too much to have them ignored.
gab13by13
(32,335 posts)and I hear others say the same, not to worry, but they never give a time frame, give the logistics. This is why I disagreed with Garland's pyramid strategy, waiting to investigate Trump was playing right into his tiny hands.
If Jack Smith were to indict Trump (grand jury) on Monday, what year do you think a Trump trial would happen?
newdayneeded
(2,493 posts)It's almost too late to make any indictment stick. They can delay trial for at least a year, if not 2.
The indictment should have went out days after the J6 hearing.
Backseat Driver
(4,671 posts)He primarily exhibits every criteria for NPD from which also flows other characteristics in other personality disorders and as he's aged those characteristics have accellerated to the point that management and therapy would never be successful and particularly as a "clear and present danger" to our national public health, national and individuals' economic well-being, and security. He's a toxic stew of disorder traits without a single shred of humanity with which to recommend himself. At this point, nothing therapists would try would be successful in improving his penchant for destroying relationships by obstruction, collusion, or exploitation. It includes what may seem to be self-sabotage that seeks punishment with the pathological serial disinhibitions of emotional, hormonal, verbal functioning that the container if organs called the human anatomical "body" requires for a sentient stable persona of neuronal brain connections that would "learn" from consequences of his bad, criminal, and emotionally deviant behaviors. Everyone with a modicum of sense would stay FAR, FAR away from someone like that! That can happen only if and when TFG is locked away...he is a danger to himself and others because he's incapable of staying within the parameters of human rights most Americans treasure: their life requiring basic needs, a liberty that doesn't impose itself without redress, though it may well influence, and the pursuit of a life, however long that lasts, well-lived in service to the promotion of those ideals that meet those abstractions of our amended flexible founding document and an allegiance with justice for ALL and consequences for the purposeful, malicious denial of most importantly, life! Yes, what won't necessarily kill may make one stronger: challenging redemption, long, painful recovery, advances of medical science. What does kill, after birth, leaves no alternative. Be kind, practice gratitude, learn all one can, and make good choices. One life to live with/wo recessitation and consequence, is all you've inevitably got.
Septua
(2,957 posts)Correct, 'narcissistic personality disorder' to be specific.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201608/does-trump-suffer-narcissistic-personality-disorder
2) Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3) Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.
4) Needing constant admiration from others.
5) Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.
6) Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.
7) Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.
8) Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.
9) Pompous and arrogant demeanor.
llmart
(17,623 posts)I would rephrase that as "inability to empathize." Most psychologists say that is the #1 hallmark of a narcissist. They have a complete inability to empathize ever. It's not something they can be taught either. It's like there is an empathy gene and they were born without it.
He is the classic case of NPD.
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)And as an opportunist he will put on an ACT of being empathetic. But his act only fools people who are rather devoid of empathy themselves.
llmart
(17,623 posts)They're also very keen at identifying those most likely to believe their act and then manipulate them because of their gullibility.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)
https://www.jeunesepayne.com/post/spot-the-difference-psychopath-or-sociopath-the-donald-trump-example
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)The insurrection!
He needs to go to jail for inciting January 6th
hydrolastic
(547 posts)We all saw it! it was a blatant crime committed in daylight using the authoritarian playbook.
I remember Sarah Kenziador breatheslly warning us what was happening in the middle of his term. It was incredibly dim. Later he committed and was impeached for "Inciting an insurrection". It's indisputable!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)The insurrectionists to storm the building, unlikely. Ironic that his biggest crime, next to causing Covid deaths, is likely unprovable in court
And no one's even going after him for withholding PPE from blue state docs and nurses. And that was proven by House Committee
70sEraVet
(5,482 posts)He has spent his life cheating and bullying people, and his victims have been afraid to hit back at him. Just like the bully in the playground, once the other kids see ONE kid punch the jerk in the nose, the spell is broken.
When Carroll bloodies his nose (and I think she'll be successful), the floodgates will open. We will start to see victims come forward, victims of crimes that will shock the nation.
Oh, and once their hero has been defeated by a 'mere' woman, his followers will turn away from him in disgust.
That's my prediction, anyway. Helps me sleep at night.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)that is pretty much the way things would unfold.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)believing a guilty verdict
Too bad DNA inadmissible. But read that there was no male DNA on the dress? ( Why he agreed to finally submit).
Or maybe if that's not true, with degradation, there might be a caveat addendum - not to totally trust results. Evidently he has results but not the addendum. He would glom on to that. This would be enough for these crazy followers.
peppertree
(23,344 posts)We know he was hopping mad that China wouldn't pay his Tootsie $2 billion.
The CIA and Penatgon would've never gone along with such a a hare-brained scheme - but:
We know he used mercenaries - the failed Operation Gideon in Venezuela (basically, a mini Bay of Pigs) proved that.
Sounds crazy, I know - but if a Democrat had been in office, this is pretty much how Repugs would posit the pandemic origins controversy.
I ga'ontee.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)The more crimes committed, the harder it is for the Law to take grasp of the felon.
Maybe its the other way around?
Isnt that what will be on trial? And its about time!
The verdict on all that is still to be determined.
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Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)on the inside of each investigation.
Reminds me, did anything ever happen with all the inauguration fraud? Emolument abuse? One of the numerous balls he threw up in the air to create chaos and inaction?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)WASHINGTON Former President Donald Trump's businesses and inaugural committee have reached a deal to pay Washington, D.C., $750,000 to resolve a lawsuit that alleged the committee overpaid for events at his hotel and enriched the former president's family in the process, according to the District of Columbia's attorney general.
Johonny
(26,183 posts)that went down for his crimes while Trump has been essentially Teflon. The failure of the American legal system to be able to tackle white collar crime is a huge reason why America is in the state it is in.
panfluteman
(2,193 posts)Trump's 2016 electoral campaign, followed by his four year presidency, was a long series of unbelievable, jaw-dropping moments. Amazing! The guy seems to be totally incapable of telling the truth, or of doing anything in a legal, correct manner - even when to do so would be to his advantage, as you said. Heck - if it were possible to breathe deceitfully or dishonestly, he'd be doing that as well! Or, as a good friend of mine put it, whenever you think that Trump couldn't sink any lower - he does.
I firmly believe that one of Trump's key strategies was to shower law enforcement and prosecutors with such an overwhelming barrage of crimes that they wouldn't know where to start - that, and weaponizing the justice system and running out the clock.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Lock him up forever. I mean let his body rot in prison.
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Silent3
(15,909 posts)...in a never-ending chase of every law he's broken. Charge him for what you already know he's done wrong, and get on with it. Trump can always stand trial again after being found guilty of something else.
Takket
(23,715 posts)We have more than enough to send him to prison until he dies. we don't need to convict him of 100 crimes and get a 1000 year sentence. He'll be dead in 10 years if he's lucky to even live that long. Get the show on the road.
Orrex
(67,112 posts)If Trump oozes back into office and succeeds in destroying the nation one]ce and for all, well, thats a small price to pay to maintain the obvious lie that we are all equal under the law.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)many believe what he told them, all fake, all vendetta because they hate me. This is a fact.
How do you think we could chip away at that? These people don't trust ANY source anymore
. Definitely not news outlets, nor the government, nor established health organizations, nor prestigious universities.
On edit: nor the legal system
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Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But I have a close family member who doesn't seem to hate... But just truly believes everything cooked up by someone. Total lack of trust in any institution. Maybe this is a completely different issue?
KentuckyWoman
(7,401 posts)He has decades of crime under his belt. The guy has been in good with international criminals a long time. Running for office gives him a lot of protection against prosecution. He will end up with fines that won't hurt him much instead of jail.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)Or house arrest or however they plan to do it? But get him on the big stuff now. He's running for president ffs.
Republican senators really need to be held accountable for their failure to convict last time.