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May 4, 1970 - Kent State. Never Forget (Original Post) lastlib May 2023 OP
Yes. I was on Ohio State's campus. sinkingfeeling May 2023 #1
I was at Akron U's campus about 10 miles away. I will never forget May 4th. marble falls May 2023 #2
NEVER FORGET. Diamond_Dog May 2023 #3
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young Four dead in ohio keithbvadu2 May 2023 #4
That was an Intense song! electric_blue68 May 2023 #24
Neil Young wrote that Bernardo de La Paz May 2023 #33
Took history of the Vietnam war at Kent state in 1990 JT45242 May 2023 #5
I remember that, too. The Then Still Liberal NY Post had it on their Front Page. electric_blue68 May 2023 #10
Thank you! I was looking to see if someone had posted about this. raccoon May 2023 #6
I was in high school dreading the draft when I graduated jpak May 2023 #7
I've been hazy on the actual date But Not The Event itself. I was a HS electric_blue68 May 2023 #8
The date stays in my mind for 3 reasons. wnylib May 2023 #17
Well, woah! Those are (particularly the two actually there) darn "good" reasons to remember! electric_blue68 May 2023 #20
They weren't actually there on the wnylib May 2023 #26
I was 21 and at Penn State. I was very active in the protest FraDon May 2023 #30
Did she think that you travelled from wnylib May 2023 #34
I forgot the punch line. FraDon May 2023 #38
Oh. I can see the confusion. wnylib May 2023 #39
I was a student at Northwestern. Ptah May 2023 #9
I was at Valparaiso University. murielm99 May 2023 #31
I. F. Stone was a true investigative reporter GreenWave May 2023 #11
I remember the comments of people who said wnylib May 2023 #19
Oh, THAT is some story! My dad introduced me to I. F. Stone's writings. electric_blue68 May 2023 #21
I'll have to look into that book. Thanks for the tip! lastlib May 2023 #36
An old friend and former classmate of mine was there the day it happened FakeNoose May 2023 #12
Yikes. 🕯️ electric_blue68 May 2023 #23
I never will. bluescribbler May 2023 #13
It was my eye opening moment as well WhiteTara May 2023 #25
It was the beginning of mine as well... lastlib May 3 #41
I read that book, too. bluescribbler May 4 #42
A friend of mine was a Kent student at the time. wnylib May 2023 #14
I will never forget. This was a turning point in my life. ashredux May 2023 #15
THAT'S the horrifying photo I was expecting to see again, today. Paladin May 2023 #16
Recommended. H2O Man May 2023 #18
Thank you for remembering. JohnnyRingo May 2023 #22
Four Innocent Lives Lost. The Guilty Murderers Walked Free. Kid Berwyn May 2023 #27
I knew the photographer....... MyOwnPeace May 2023 #28
I will never forget. The date means more to me than any other date in US history. yardwork May 2023 #29
That Changed Me! McKim May 2023 #32
Nixon was a vile piece of crap, wasn't he? flying_wahini May 2023 #35
So touched to read all of these memories! lastlib May 2023 #37
Survivors see echoes in today's campus protests (AP) quaint May 3 #40

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,328 posts)
33. Neil Young wrote that
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:52 AM
May 2023

Young wrote the lyrics to "Ohio" after seeing the photos of the incident in Life Magazine.[3] On the evening that the group entered Record Plant Studios in Los Angeles, the song had already been rehearsed, and the quartet—with their new rhythm section of Calvin Samuels and Johnny Barbata—recorded it live in just a few takes. During the same session, they recorded the single's equally direct B-side, Stephen Stills's ode to the war's dead, "Find the Cost of Freedom".

The record was mastered with the participation of the four principals, rush-released by Atlantic and heard on the radio with only a few weeks' delay (even though the group's hit song "Teach Your Children" was already on the charts at the time). In his liner notes for the Decade retrospective, Young termed the Kent State incident as 'probably the biggest lesson ever learned at an American place of learning' and reported that "David Crosby cried when we finished this take."[4] In the fade, Crosby's voice—with a tone evocative of keening—can be heard with the words "Four!", "Why?" and "How many more?".[5]


JT45242

(2,408 posts)
5. Took history of the Vietnam war at Kent state in 1990
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:12 AM
May 2023

The twentieth anniversary of the shootings made it even more powerful.

The national guard led by a resentful bully whose glory days from high school had passed him by acted as a militarized police force to execute people they didn't like.

Not much has changed in the 53 years. We still don't talk about the massacre at the HBCU that occurred a week or later, Jackson State.



raccoon

(31,182 posts)
6. Thank you! I was looking to see if someone had posted about this.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:13 AM
May 2023

That day sticks in my mind more than 9/11/2001.

jpak

(41,772 posts)
7. I was in high school dreading the draft when I graduated
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:16 AM
May 2023

This was a true "True Reign of Nixon Terror"

Yup

electric_blue68

(15,400 posts)
8. I've been hazy on the actual date But Not The Event itself. I was a HS
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:17 AM
May 2023

Senior in more liberal minded school. So yeah...

wnylib

(22,277 posts)
17. The date stays in my mind for 3 reasons.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:40 AM
May 2023

May 4th was my father's birthday.

A good friend of mine, who was a student at Kent, avoided the shootings by going home a couple days earlier when tensions built up.

My sister later taught at Kent and talked about the memorial recognition given on campus on that date.

wnylib

(22,277 posts)
26. They weren't actually there on the
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:07 AM
May 2023

day of the shootings. May 4, 1970 was a Monday. My friend had gone home to her parents on Friday evening because tensions were building up on campus. The protests were against the news that Nixon had just escalated the war with carpet bombing of Cambodia, a neutral country. My friend knew that the anger and protests would get worse after local law enforcement were called and the governor announced a call up of the Guard. So she went home to her parents for the weekend. News reports from Kent and word from friends of hers still on campus indicated that things were getting much worse, so my friend's parents insisted that she should not go back for classes on Monday. She was not on campus when the shootings happened. But, she knew 2 of the dead students and never went back. She transferred to another school.

My sister was still a college student herself, in PA when the shootings at Kent happened. It was years later, after graduation and then graduate school, that she taught at Kent. So she was not there on the day of the shootings, either.


FraDon

(519 posts)
30. I was 21 and at Penn State. I was very active in the protest
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:39 AM
May 2023

and drama of the era. Later that week my mother called from Florida in a panic. She'd seen some news and horrific visuals. She was sure if I were among the four dead they would have called her. She was so worried I was among the wounded.

wnylib

(22,277 posts)
34. Did she think that you travelled from
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:00 AM
May 2023

Penn to Kent for war protests? It's not like Kent State was a well known school to attract people for protests. Kent is only well known today because of the shootings.

The news about Kent overshadowed so much of what went on across the country in reaction to the bombing of Cambodia, so I don't know if Penn State had its own local protests, but it seems more likely that you would have participated in protests on your own campus or at locations closer to you than an obscure (at the time) college like Kent.

FraDon

(519 posts)
38. I forgot the punch line.
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:39 AM
May 2023

Mom was hard of hearing. I had to clarify, "not Kent State, Mom, PENN State". It became a family meme for years.

There was total protest at PSU. We were one of over 500 colleges across the country shut down by student protests.

murielm99

(30,883 posts)
31. I was at Valparaiso University.
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:51 AM
May 2023

I tried to explain things to my parents. They thought the students got what they deserved. It was the beginning of the end of my relationship with my parents. They were Democrats, too.

GreenWave

(7,282 posts)
11. I. F. Stone was a true investigative reporter
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:23 AM
May 2023
https://kentlink.kent.edu/record=b1632359~S9
His book The Killings at Kent State, How Murder went unpunished is a must read.

Students had walked through a tennis court with the armed National Guard in pursuit. One of the students had a lock and locked the tennis court exit door, so our "defenders" had to go back and around having been outsmarted. THAT is when they started shooting.

Hateful RWNJs started flooded the papers with the students deserved to be killed, and other pre-Faux News hateful rants.

I met IF Stone's granddaughter at Mizzou. Mizzou later got caught in a scandal where the had invested $400,000,000 (several decades ago) in the Apartheid regime of South Africa. The students set up a shanty town in protest. During a cold November night, Bulldozers rolled in and demolished the town. They went across the monuments to the students killed at Kent State, Jackson State and the Orangeburg Massacre. The next day impromptu protest which started out as 1 , eventually became over 90 % of the University population. They were made to fix the monuments, rebuild the shanty town which they could eliminate once they had withdrawn their ill-gotten investment. I am happy to report that all the demands were met. Victory over the RWNJs, Victory!

wnylib

(22,277 posts)
19. I remember the comments of people who said
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:51 AM
May 2023

that the students got what they deserved for protesting.

I also remember hearing and reading that some of the students thought the Guard had rubber bullets until they saw people drop to the ground bleeding.

And NONE of the 4 dead students were participating in the protests.



lastlib

(23,659 posts)
36. I'll have to look into that book. Thanks for the tip!
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:32 AM
May 2023

Your bit about Mizzou hits close to home for me. As a Missourian,I almost went there for undergrad and did get accepted to their law school after college.

FakeNoose

(33,479 posts)
12. An old friend and former classmate of mine was there the day it happened
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:24 AM
May 2023

He was a freshman at Kent State and he took part in the anti-Vietnam protest. A large part of the undergrad enrollment was participating that day. My friend always says it could easily have been him who got shot.

bluescribbler

(2,148 posts)
13. I never will.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:28 AM
May 2023

I was somewhere in the Pacific, serving aboard a US Navy destroyer when I heard the news. I remember hearing a senior petty officer say, "We should just kill them all," and thinking, wait, what about the right peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances? I think that really was the beginning of my radicalization.

WhiteTara

(29,786 posts)
25. It was my eye opening moment as well
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:00 AM
May 2023

I believed that our parents still loved us and that notion was shattered on the spot. I became anti war and that began my first protest march. I've been to so many since then. When * started the Iraq War I was in SF demonstrating and in the crowd, some of my early protest marching friends appeared. We held each other and cried all the way to the end.

Nothing has changed except I am now an apostate.

lastlib

(23,659 posts)
41. It was the beginning of mine as well...
Fri May 3, 2024, 08:21 PM
May 3

...and I was only 12. Later, in high school I read James Michener's book Kent State: What Happened And Why, and together with Nixon's criminal acts in the news, I became even more so.

wnylib

(22,277 posts)
14. A friend of mine was a Kent student at the time.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:30 AM
May 2023

She went home the Friday before the shootings because tensions were building up. She kept in touch, through friends who had stayed, on what was happening all weekend and missed the shootings on Monday because she stayed home.

I still remember how surprised I was the first time I heard Four Dead in Ohio on the car radio. I was surprised because it was so soon after the shootings, and because the mood and tone of the song were so direct, a firm line in the sand. Anti war protests had been largely a counter culture thing, but now they had gone grimly main stream on radio stations across the country.

ashredux

(2,622 posts)
15. I will never forget. This was a turning point in my life.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:34 AM
May 2023

I was a college student, and during the protest we had after the shootings. The state police formed a line just behind a large gathering on our mall. You could feel the electricity in the air. Before it was over, there was no shooting, but quite a bit of teargas. You don’t forget those thing.

Paladin

(28,402 posts)
16. THAT'S the horrifying photo I was expecting to see again, today.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:34 AM
May 2023

The screaming young lady, kneeling in the dead student's blood.

Godawful incident that helped turn the tide against the Vietnam War.

JohnnyRingo

(18,832 posts)
22. Thank you for remembering.
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:56 AM
May 2023

I was about to post, but you spared me the trouble. It does my heart good to hope the tragedy will not fade away when we're gone.

May 4th 1970 in 24 seldom seen pictures:

https://allthatsinteresting.com/kent-state-massacre

MyOwnPeace

(16,993 posts)
28. I knew the photographer.......
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:29 AM
May 2023

He was a member of the ‘Yearbook Staff’ in high school and NEVER was seen without a camera i his hands at school. He then became a student at Kent State and took those iconic pics. He scrambled from there with the film, took a taxi 150 miles to go to his ‘hometown’ newspaper and get the pics out ‘on the wire’ nationally.
He won a Pulitzer Prize for his work and ended up with a career with the Associated Press.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
32. That Changed Me!
Thu May 4, 2023, 10:52 AM
May 2023

That changed me! I learned something valuable and the nice mask was off the face of “our” government. I became a Leftist Activist and I am still going strong.

lastlib

(23,659 posts)
37. So touched to read all of these memories!
Thu May 4, 2023, 11:43 AM
May 2023

It profoundly affected me, as it did so many of you, though it took awhile to take hold. I remember seeing Cronkite reporting it on the evening news; I was 12 at the time, in junior high.I think I was a high school junior when I read a Reader's Digest account from James Michener that really turned me, and then a high-school teacher further educated me--I've been a flaming liberal ever since.

"Four Dead in O-Hi-O! How many more?"

for Bill
for Alison
for Sandy
for Jeffrey
for the wounded
for American freedom and justice.

quaint

(2,708 posts)
40. Survivors see echoes in today's campus protests (AP)
Fri May 3, 2024, 07:34 PM
May 3
Kent State is planning a solemn commemoration Saturday, as it does every May 4, with a gathering at noon on the commons, near where troops killed students Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, Sandra Scheuer and William Schroeder in a 13-second volley of rifle and pistol fire.

Kahler, meanwhile, is keenly watching this new generation of college students demand an end to military action, and wondering if colleges are making some of the same mistakes.

“I question whether college administrators and trustees of colleges have learned any lessons from the ’70s,” Kahler said in an interview at his home outside Canton, Ohio. “I think they’re being a little heavy handed, a little over the top.”

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