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Zorro

(15,751 posts)
Thu May 4, 2023, 05:47 PM May 2023

Romney Laments That Democrats Didn't Raise The Debt Ceiling Themselves Before His Party Got Involved

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) bemoaned Thursday that Democrats didn’t just raise the debt ceiling themselves before Republicans got their grubby mitts on it.

“Don’t forget that that could have been solved a long time ago by our Democrat friends simply in their reconciliation bill doing what Leader McConnell asked them to do, which is just raise the debt ceiling yourselves — didn’t need a single Republican vote, not a single vote!” Romney exclaimed at a Senate Budget Committee hearing. “But they chose not to because politicking is the way of this city and it makes the American people sick — frankly, it makes a number of us who serve in these positions a little ill as well.”

Let’s break this down.

Romney is arguing that Democrats let politics get in the way of raising the debt ceiling last congressional term, since they could have raised it with a bare majority. And that’s probably true! At least on paper, Democrats had the votes, but they didn’t want to be saddled with (false) Republican attacks that they’d ballooned the debt.

It was also political motivation that prevented Republicans from voting with Democrats to raise the debt ceiling then, the better to either attack them by conflating raising the debt ceiling with enormous spending, or to preserve leverage for a later date.

Distilled, Romney’s message is this: Darn you Democrats for not taking care of the debt ceiling then, because you knew we’d refuse to raise the limit unless you conceded to our demands, and look what a sticky spot we’re in now.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/romney-debt-ceiling-democrats

Democrats are forcing us to shoot the hostage and destroy the country's and the world's economy -- that's the Republican spin.

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Romney Laments That Democrats Didn't Raise The Debt Ceiling Themselves Before His Party Got Involved (Original Post) Zorro May 2023 OP
If memory serves Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #1
Exactly. Romney always pretends to be a sensibe repug but conveniently forgets the... brush May 2023 #5
Was a weasel. Is a weasel. The Unmitigated Gall May 2023 #2
Bottom Line: no_hypocrisy May 2023 #3
Well inthewind21 May 2023 #4
What a great endorsement of your party Mittens! (Nt) apnu May 2023 #6
rmoney , at it again eh? AllaN01Bear May 2023 #7
Why should the Dems put it in their reconciliation bill? Lets the GOP off the hook Raven123 May 2023 #8
Because we could have avoided this nonsense. BlueTsunami2018 May 2023 #14
I agree with your third point. Raven123 May 2023 #15
Manchin refused to even consider it liberalmediaaddict May 2023 #20
There always seems to be someone on "our" side willing to sabotage everything. BlueTsunami2018 May 2023 #22
"Why yes, my party has become a pile of poop. That's why it's the Democrat Party's responsibility... JHB May 2023 #9
"But they chose not to because politicking is the way of this city and it makes the American people Fullduplexxx May 2023 #10
What stopped him from crossing the aisle if he didn't want to let politics get in the way? In It to Win It May 2023 #11
Yep. Anyone remember Romney's little open-mic moment at that fundraiser or whatever... keep_left May 2023 #25
"Look what you made me do!"-Every abusive partner ever Midnight Writer May 2023 #12
So Democrats should be blamed barbtries May 2023 #13
Yes, quite frankly they should be. BlueTsunami2018 May 2023 #17
because they SUCK. barbtries May 2023 #18
Then you'll be going down their road. BlueTsunami2018 May 2023 #21
then i would be them. no thanks nt barbtries May 2023 #23
He what? LiberalFighter May 2023 #16
Manchin wouldn't allow it liberalmediaaddict May 2023 #19
Look what you're making us do? 2naSalit May 2023 #24

Mad_Machine76

(24,447 posts)
1. If memory serves
Thu May 4, 2023, 05:48 PM
May 2023

Manchin and/or Sinema prevented such a move. Although, of course, if Romney and a few other Republicans pushed the issue, it could have been resolved, right?

brush

(53,925 posts)
5. Exactly. Romney always pretends to be a sensibe repug but conveniently forgets the...
Thu May 4, 2023, 05:55 PM
May 2023

Sinema/Manchin faction.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
4. Well
Thu May 4, 2023, 05:53 PM
May 2023

I care what Romney thinks or says about as much as I do about what any other republican half wit thinks or says. Which is ZERO!

BlueTsunami2018

(3,505 posts)
14. Because we could have avoided this nonsense.
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:53 PM
May 2023

How does it “let them off the hook”?

It lets them blow up the economy and blame it on the Democrats.

They should have eliminated it altogether. It’s stupid and pointless.

liberalmediaaddict

(772 posts)
20. Manchin refused to even consider it
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:12 PM
May 2023

The majority of Democrats were sounding the alarm about the need to lift the debt ceiling before Republicans took back the House. But they couldn't get around "Mr. Bipartisan" Joe Manchin.

I'm sure Sinema would have tried to block it too.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,505 posts)
22. There always seems to be someone on "our" side willing to sabotage everything.
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:25 PM
May 2023

Whether it was Traitor Joe Lieberman under Obama or the Greatest Democrat Ever™️ Manchin now, there’s always someone throwing a wrench in the works.

It’s just infuriating.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
9. "Why yes, my party has become a pile of poop. That's why it's the Democrat Party's responsibility...
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:24 PM
May 2023

...to fix us, while "reasonable" Republicans like me sit back and let them do all the work, because we're their betters and they should know their place."

Fullduplexxx

(7,872 posts)
10. "But they chose not to because politicking is the way of this city and it makes the American people
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:27 PM
May 2023

“But they chose not to because politicking is the way of this city and it makes the American people sick"
THEN WHY DO YOU DO IT YOU ENORMOUS POMPASS HORSE'S ASS

In It to Win It

(8,296 posts)
11. What stopped him from crossing the aisle if he didn't want to let politics get in the way?
Thu May 4, 2023, 06:28 PM
May 2023

I'm guessing politics stopped him.

keep_left

(1,793 posts)
25. Yep. Anyone remember Romney's little open-mic moment at that fundraiser or whatever...
Thu May 4, 2023, 09:21 PM
May 2023

...event it was where he pontificated about how we're all moochers? Romney is supposed to be one of the nice, respectable, moderate Republicans...and even he gets caught on a hidden microphone making snide remarks about the "47% takers"!

Romney is just as willing to destroy whatever is left of the safety net as MTG is. If the country defaults, well, hey, no more "takers"!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17766028
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17838100

BlueTsunami2018

(3,505 posts)
17. Yes, quite frankly they should be.
Thu May 4, 2023, 07:04 PM
May 2023

Operating in good faith only makes sense if you have an opposition that will do the same. We don’t. We should never be operating in good faith with these people. We should be as ruthless and cutthroat or even more so than they are.

This isn’t a gentleman’s agreement, this is a battle for the very soul of the country. And they’re better at it. They’re winning.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,505 posts)
21. Then you'll be going down their road.
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:13 PM
May 2023

The one thing I hate about this party is the unwillingness to do whatever it takes to win. The GOP doesn’t care at all about what’s “seemly”, not to mention ethical or even legal. They’ll do anything to get what they want and that’s why it’s only matter of time before they do.

When one side plays by the so-called rules and the other has no rules, the other side always wins.

liberalmediaaddict

(772 posts)
19. Manchin wouldn't allow it
Thu May 4, 2023, 08:07 PM
May 2023

He said raising the debt limit should be bipartisan. He refused to include it in any budget reconciliation bill or during the lame duck session.

Wonder if he regrets that decision now. I seriously doubt it.

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