Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Baitball Blogger

(52,360 posts)
Sun May 7, 2023, 12:15 PM May 2023

So, do you really know the history behind Cinco de Mayo?

I don't know all the details, myself, but I did spend some time last week reading up on it and if my understanding is correct, it went something like this:

Mexico won its independence in September 1821. As a young country it had challenges. In 1826 a lot of things happened. There was a Civil War between the conservative regime and the liberal one, that was lead by Benito Juarez. The conservatives wanted to set up a monarchy in Mexico; and France, under Napolean III, wanted to set up a satellite in the New World. So the two were in cahoots together, trying to own the libs.

Cinco de Mayo commemorates the first major battle between the concerned parties. The Battle of Puebla. The conservatives and Napolean the III's army lost. the Mexican leader responsible for the win was called Zaragoza. Viva Zaragoza! Would make a wonderful toasting cheer every Cinco de Mayo, but Zaragoza only lived a few more months passed that victory, dying from some illness or infection.

Soon after, Mexico would lose another decisive battle against Napolean III's army, but Mexico managed to avoid an autocratic government when Napolean III eventually withdrew his troops and support.

What I got from this: The desire for citizens of their own country trying to set government systems where they hold autocratic control is nothing new. But, somewhere along the line, American conservatives have managed to frame these takeovers as a purely socialist phenomena. So I don't understand, with all the woke historians we have in America, why we haven't been able to balance that out by telling the truth about countries that experimented with government by autocratic control.

And one last thing, Viva Zaragoza!

6 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

yardwork

(69,370 posts)
1. And, if France had won that battle, they might have helped the confederacy win the Civil War.
Sun May 7, 2023, 12:20 PM
May 2023

It's fascinating to think about the impact of one battle. One group of people standing up for themselves had significant impacts on freedom across North America.

Baitball Blogger

(52,360 posts)
3. I always wondered why Americans picked that Mexican event to celebrate in support
Sun May 7, 2023, 12:35 PM
May 2023

of Mexican American heritage, and I think you gave the best answer.

Maybe someone did put deep thought into it.

yardwork

(69,370 posts)
6. I wish I could believe that, but...
Sun May 7, 2023, 03:49 PM
May 2023

I think it was probably popularized by beer companies in order to sell their products!

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
2. I was so excited to be in Mexico for a cinco de mayo about ten years ago.
Sun May 7, 2023, 12:21 PM
May 2023

Only to find out they don’t celebrate it. Lol. Bummer. I thought it would be a big party. They said only americans celebrate it. Beer companies began it I guess at some point.

GreenWave

(12,643 posts)
5. We never say that Mexico farmed our fields during WWII
Sun May 7, 2023, 12:36 PM
May 2023

or we lose that war. Or that Brazil let us build an impromptu airfield, so we can could invade the surprised Nazis from Africa!

Our conservatives have been pissing all over our history for some time and making us despise our true allies.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»So, do you really know th...