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boston bean

(36,223 posts)
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:23 PM May 2023

The solution to guns is simple.

Yeah, you can have an have an AR-15 but the AR-15 must be manually loaded with 5 max bullets.

No reloading with a magazine or clip or whatever you want to call it.

Same with hand guns.

They wouldn’t be able to pull off these mass shootings. To do so they would have to carry dozens of weapons. Let’s at least make it a little harder.

Yeah, is getting rid of them entirely my wish, yes? Although it is highly unlikely that will happen. So, I would like to look for ways to minimize the ability of these heinous murderers.

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The solution to guns is simple. (Original Post) boston bean May 2023 OP
Good suggestion. Mine would be to tax the hell out of the ammo. They can have their guns, to fondle, debm55 May 2023 #1
Only the rich will be able to afford it. MichMan May 2023 #23
100% certain we could solve the gun violence crisis if we wanted to do so. Irish_Dem May 2023 #2
Simpler solution Thunderbeast May 2023 #3
That would be the pie in the sky solution. I am not so glued to it boston bean May 2023 #5
I doubt confiscating several hundred million Mr.Bill May 2023 #7
You can't confiscate them. You would have to buy them rsdsharp May 2023 #11
Great! Thunderbeast May 2023 #12
How do you plan to sarisataka May 2023 #13
I'll admit, I lol'd. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #24
The differences between here and Australia are quite significant onenote May 2023 #15
I am getting a lot of blowback here about why serious gun control can't happen Thunderbeast May 2023 #19
Blowback. Straw Man May 2023 #20
OP's suggestion is far better sir pball May 2023 #21
..... MarineCombatEngineer May 2023 #25
Nothing will change until 2A is reinterpreted vis-a-vis militia bucolic_frolic May 2023 #4
What do you do about the many Mr.Bill May 2023 #6
To have one like that would be illegal. Either turn in for newer legal model or boston bean May 2023 #8
I would bet your turn in rate Mr.Bill May 2023 #9
Again, in many of these instances the mass murderer is purchasing their weapons just days and months boston bean May 2023 #10
Pretty much like the 30 year old California law... WarGamer May 2023 #14
We need bullet control: Ilsa May 2023 #16
I think you are correct to identify large capacity detachable mags as the real issue SYFROYH May 2023 #17
Fixed magazine AR's Zeitghost May 2023 #22
At least stop new ones. Every decade we coddle gun owners, 100 million more guns Silent Type May 2023 #18
Lethality quotient dwayneb May 2023 #26

debm55

(25,412 posts)
1. Good suggestion. Mine would be to tax the hell out of the ammo. They can have their guns, to fondle,
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:27 PM
May 2023

but won't be able to shoot people up with them.

MichMan

(11,974 posts)
23. Only the rich will be able to afford it.
Mon May 8, 2023, 08:15 AM
May 2023

Everyone else gets disarmed. That will go over well with voters in states where hunting is popular

Irish_Dem

(47,428 posts)
2. 100% certain we could solve the gun violence crisis if we wanted to do so.
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:29 PM
May 2023

Many good ideas like this one.

The problem is not the lack of solutions,
but the lack of will on the part of the American public.

Thunderbeast

(3,419 posts)
3. Simpler solution
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:31 PM
May 2023

Confiscate ALL assault weapons and handguns.

Hunting rifles and shotguns must be licensed, secured, and fully insured.

They did it in Australia. They can do it here.

I know ALL ABOUT the Second Ammendment. SCOTUS interpretation is seriously flawed. These are not "well regulated militias" murdering our children.

The politics is impossible...until it's not.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
5. That would be the pie in the sky solution. I am not so glued to it
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:32 PM
May 2023

that I wouldn’t consider other options.

Thunderbeast

(3,419 posts)
12. Great!
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:54 PM
May 2023

Pay for it with an $10 per round tax on ammunition.

Eight dollars is the cost each year for gun carnage divided by the number of bullets purchased. Make it ten to fund the repurchase cost of guns taken off of the streets.

I have no problem with prying that AR15 from their cold dead fingers if they do not submit. I am THAT MAD at gun culture!

Conservatives don't like subsidies. This would be a reasonable user fee.

onenote

(42,767 posts)
15. The differences between here and Australia are quite significant
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:05 PM
May 2023

First, Australia did not confiscate handguns; rather, they imposed a stringent licensing and registration regime. As for semi-automatic seasons and certain shotguns, Australia did impose a mandatory buy back regime. Keep in mind that when Australia implemented its gun buy-back, the population of the country was 18 million. Both Texas and Florida are bigger than that. And the buy back resulted in the purchase by the government of 650,000 weapons. There are over 20 million semi-automatic weapons in the United States today, spread over a population of over 300 million. Finally, the Australian buy-back took around 20 percent of the firearms in the country out of circulation, meaning a lot of guns remained in private hands.

Without doubt, getting semi-automatics out of circulation would be a good thing. And more stringent licensing and registration would be terrific. But it would be far more difficult to implement and enforce such a regime in the US than it was in Australia.

Thunderbeast

(3,419 posts)
19. I am getting a lot of blowback here about why serious gun control can't happen
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:47 PM
May 2023

The alternative...to let unstable people aquire and use guns to kill our children is unthinkable. The concept of "common sense" gun laws are pablum for the left to make us believe that closing the gun show loophole, redflag laws (come on...How are you going to enforce THAT!), and raising the age to buy an assault rifle to 21 is going to stop these daily mass murders.

These steps are symbolic. They are virtue signaling. Getting serious about the problem means that the significant majority of citizens wanting an assault weapons ban have to stop cowering to the minority who value their fetish more than our kids.

I get that my strident position is politically difficult, but I favor looking to an effective solution over tiny measures that will do little more than check off a box on a Democrats resume.

Most of the shooters of late are over 21, bought their gun legally, and have NEVER been committed in a mental health court. Mom and Dad calling the police to tell them that their kid is unstable ain't good enough to disqualify someone from buying an AR15.

We face an existential problem of gun violence that is a threat to our lives and to our democracy. It will take a huge change to restore confidence and security. Small, meaningless steps are not adequate to meet the challenge.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
20. Blowback.
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:56 PM
May 2023
We face an existential problem of gun violence that is a threat to our lives and to our democracy. It will take a huge change to restore confidence and security. Small, meaningless steps are not adequate to meet the challenge.

The root of the problem is the will to commit heinous acts of random violence. We are teetering on the edge of being a failed state, and gun violence is a symptom, not the cause, of that failure. Fanatical fascism driven by fear and hate is the real enemy. If you think that gun control will solve that problem, I have two words for you: Timothy McVeigh.

sir pball

(4,760 posts)
21. OP's suggestion is far better
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:56 PM
May 2023

A pump or lever action with a detachable magazine is just as capable as a semi-auto of mowing down a crowd of people. Yes, a semi can (generally) fire faster, but even with a low-power round like a 5.56 you need a split-second to get back on target, which is ample time to cycle the action; an hour's practice at the range will get you to where you're reloaded by the time you've got another toddler in your sights. I can take out six cans with my lever-action 45-70 as quick as anyone with an AR.

So, ban all firearms that accept a detachable magazine. Semi, lever, bolt, pump, falling-block single — if you can remove the ammunition feeding device and attach a new, full one…the gun should be illegal.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
25. .....
Mon May 8, 2023, 08:50 AM
May 2023
Thunderbeast

3. Simpler solution
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Confiscate ALL assault weapons and handguns.


Simpler solution?

Ok, go with that and good luck.

bucolic_frolic

(43,296 posts)
4. Nothing will change until 2A is reinterpreted vis-a-vis militia
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:32 PM
May 2023

and that's 15 years away.

This shooting problem is accelerating and there is no prognosis for altering that course because every remedy is prohibited by 2A, Republican legislatures or vetoes, or lack of Democratic super majorities. No telling where this leads. Martial law, probably.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
8. To have one like that would be illegal. Either turn in for newer legal model or
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:40 PM
May 2023

Have it retrofitted. Make it illegal to sell one.

Many time the perp has recently purchased the gun. So, would still be helpful. We just have to get it done.

You have to start somewhere.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
10. Again, in many of these instances the mass murderer is purchasing their weapons just days and months
Sun May 7, 2023, 05:45 PM
May 2023

before.

If someone sold one to a person who used that gun in a shooting it would be illegal to sell.

Maybe also make people who already own, register it.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
14. Pretty much like the 30 year old California law...
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:02 PM
May 2023

That was found unconstitutional by a Federal Judge last year...

It's working it's way through the Courts now... on appeal...

It's in real trouble. And YES it's a RW Judge.

https://abc7news.com/judge-roger-benitez-assault-weapons-california-ban-ca-gun-laws-gavin-newsom/12850369/

SYFROYH

(34,183 posts)
17. I think you are correct to identify large capacity detachable mags as the real issue
Sun May 7, 2023, 06:11 PM
May 2023

with semiautomatic lethality.





Zeitghost

(3,869 posts)
22. Fixed magazine AR's
Sun May 7, 2023, 07:23 PM
May 2023

Exist to skirt California law and can be reloaded extremely quickly. Not quite as fast as a standard magazine, but not enough to make a difference.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
26. Lethality quotient
Mon May 8, 2023, 08:57 AM
May 2023

Ever weapon should have a lethality quotient, On one extreme we have knives, at the other extreme we have semi automated guns, and bomb. The quotient is determined by the efficiency of that weapon to murder human beings.

Any sensible society should draw a line in the sand excluding those weapons with high lethality capability. Bombs are already illegal, and military grade weapons should be too.

Of course this will not prevent the gun scum from killing with single-shot weapons and shotguns, but it is the only way to ever "fix" this problem. After such laws are passed it will of course be decades before these weapons are removed from the streets, but it will work given time.

Will it happen here? No. I live in the red heartland of the Midwest and I can assure you that people out here are too deluded and selfish to ever make this happen.

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