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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe solution to guns is simple.
Yeah, you can have an have an AR-15 but the AR-15 must be manually loaded with 5 max bullets.
No reloading with a magazine or clip or whatever you want to call it.
Same with hand guns.
They wouldnt be able to pull off these mass shootings. To do so they would have to carry dozens of weapons. Lets at least make it a little harder.
Yeah, is getting rid of them entirely my wish, yes? Although it is highly unlikely that will happen. So, I would like to look for ways to minimize the ability of these heinous murderers.
debm55
(25,412 posts)but won't be able to shoot people up with them.
MichMan
(11,974 posts)Everyone else gets disarmed. That will go over well with voters in states where hunting is popular
Irish_Dem
(47,428 posts)Many good ideas like this one.
The problem is not the lack of solutions,
but the lack of will on the part of the American public.
Thunderbeast
(3,419 posts)Confiscate ALL assault weapons and handguns.
Hunting rifles and shotguns must be licensed, secured, and fully insured.
They did it in Australia. They can do it here.
I know ALL ABOUT the Second Ammendment. SCOTUS interpretation is seriously flawed. These are not "well regulated militias" murdering our children.
The politics is impossible...until it's not.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)that I wouldnt consider other options.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)guns would be simple.
rsdsharp
(9,202 posts)for just compensation.
Thunderbeast
(3,419 posts)Pay for it with an $10 per round tax on ammunition.
Eight dollars is the cost each year for gun carnage divided by the number of bullets purchased. Make it ten to fund the repurchase cost of guns taken off of the streets.
I have no problem with prying that AR15 from their cold dead fingers if they do not submit. I am THAT MAD at gun culture!
Conservatives don't like subsidies. This would be a reasonable user fee.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)Kill them so you can pry their cold dead fingers? With a Gun or something else?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,438 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)First, Australia did not confiscate handguns; rather, they imposed a stringent licensing and registration regime. As for semi-automatic seasons and certain shotguns, Australia did impose a mandatory buy back regime. Keep in mind that when Australia implemented its gun buy-back, the population of the country was 18 million. Both Texas and Florida are bigger than that. And the buy back resulted in the purchase by the government of 650,000 weapons. There are over 20 million semi-automatic weapons in the United States today, spread over a population of over 300 million. Finally, the Australian buy-back took around 20 percent of the firearms in the country out of circulation, meaning a lot of guns remained in private hands.
Without doubt, getting semi-automatics out of circulation would be a good thing. And more stringent licensing and registration would be terrific. But it would be far more difficult to implement and enforce such a regime in the US than it was in Australia.
Thunderbeast
(3,419 posts)The alternative...to let unstable people aquire and use guns to kill our children is unthinkable. The concept of "common sense" gun laws are pablum for the left to make us believe that closing the gun show loophole, redflag laws (come on...How are you going to enforce THAT!), and raising the age to buy an assault rifle to 21 is going to stop these daily mass murders.
These steps are symbolic. They are virtue signaling. Getting serious about the problem means that the significant majority of citizens wanting an assault weapons ban have to stop cowering to the minority who value their fetish more than our kids.
I get that my strident position is politically difficult, but I favor looking to an effective solution over tiny measures that will do little more than check off a box on a Democrats resume.
Most of the shooters of late are over 21, bought their gun legally, and have NEVER been committed in a mental health court. Mom and Dad calling the police to tell them that their kid is unstable ain't good enough to disqualify someone from buying an AR15.
We face an existential problem of gun violence that is a threat to our lives and to our democracy. It will take a huge change to restore confidence and security. Small, meaningless steps are not adequate to meet the challenge.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)The root of the problem is the will to commit heinous acts of random violence. We are teetering on the edge of being a failed state, and gun violence is a symptom, not the cause, of that failure. Fanatical fascism driven by fear and hate is the real enemy. If you think that gun control will solve that problem, I have two words for you: Timothy McVeigh.
sir pball
(4,760 posts)A pump or lever action with a detachable magazine is just as capable as a semi-auto of mowing down a crowd of people. Yes, a semi can (generally) fire faster, but even with a low-power round like a 5.56 you need a split-second to get back on target, which is ample time to cycle the action; an hour's practice at the range will get you to where you're reloaded by the time you've got another toddler in your sights. I can take out six cans with my lever-action 45-70 as quick as anyone with an AR.
So, ban all firearms that accept a detachable magazine. Semi, lever, bolt, pump, falling-block single if you can remove the ammunition feeding device and attach a new, full one
the gun should be illegal.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)3. Simpler solution
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Confiscate ALL assault weapons and handguns.
Simpler solution?
Ok, go with that and good luck.
bucolic_frolic
(43,296 posts)and that's 15 years away.
This shooting problem is accelerating and there is no prognosis for altering that course because every remedy is prohibited by 2A, Republican legislatures or vetoes, or lack of Democratic super majorities. No telling where this leads. Martial law, probably.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)millions of guns that are already in people's hands?
boston bean
(36,223 posts)Have it retrofitted. Make it illegal to sell one.
Many time the perp has recently purchased the gun. So, would still be helpful. We just have to get it done.
You have to start somewhere.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)would be in the single digit percentile.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)before.
If someone sold one to a person who used that gun in a shooting it would be illegal to sell.
Maybe also make people who already own, register it.
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)That was found unconstitutional by a Federal Judge last year...
It's working it's way through the Courts now... on appeal...
It's in real trouble. And YES it's a RW Judge.
https://abc7news.com/judge-roger-benitez-assault-weapons-california-ban-ca-gun-laws-gavin-newsom/12850369/
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)SYFROYH
(34,183 posts)with semiautomatic lethality.
Zeitghost
(3,869 posts)Exist to skirt California law and can be reloaded extremely quickly. Not quite as fast as a standard magazine, but not enough to make a difference.
Silent Type
(2,966 posts)end up on the street.
dwayneb
(768 posts)Ever weapon should have a lethality quotient, On one extreme we have knives, at the other extreme we have semi automated guns, and bomb. The quotient is determined by the efficiency of that weapon to murder human beings.
Any sensible society should draw a line in the sand excluding those weapons with high lethality capability. Bombs are already illegal, and military grade weapons should be too.
Of course this will not prevent the gun scum from killing with single-shot weapons and shotguns, but it is the only way to ever "fix" this problem. After such laws are passed it will of course be decades before these weapons are removed from the streets, but it will work given time.
Will it happen here? No. I live in the red heartland of the Midwest and I can assure you that people out here are too deluded and selfish to ever make this happen.