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kentuck

(115,620 posts)
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:15 PM May 2023

Many Americans are under the illusion that it is all "just politics".

They do not feel that our democracy is under attack.

They do not believe the reports and charges against Donald Trump. They believe it is all "just politics".

They do not trust the Democrats.

They do not believe the "fake news" or anything that does not come from the mouth of their hero, Donald Trump.

They believe everything was great when Trump was the President.

They do not see any danger ahead except from Joe Biden and the "woke" crowd.

How do you communicate with someone so out of touch with reality that they cannot see what is happening to their country and the future of their children?

Is there anything you can say?

They are willing to bet the survival of this country on a criminal liar who tried to overthrow our government in his dream to become the dictator of America. If he breaks the laws, it is because the laws need to be broken.

But when they see the bright light coming at them thru the tunnel, it is not a train, it is Donald Trump with a flashlight, coming to save them.

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Many Americans are under the illusion that it is all "just politics". (Original Post) kentuck May 2023 OP
They believe that trump and people like him have the leverage LuvLoogie May 2023 #1
The average IQ in this country is 97 (yes, really). That's mostly why. LeftinOH May 2023 #2
I think you're optimistic. Arthur_Frain May 2023 #10
But... just as many believe the opposite. LakeArenal May 2023 #3
Very true. If you have a very shallow understanding/engagement Wingus Dingus May 2023 #4
A short time ago a foreign enemy crawled under the lid randr May 2023 #5
I compare it to... 2naSalit May 2023 #6
Fitting analogy randr May 2023 #7
IKR? 2naSalit May 2023 #8
This reminded me of someone with whom I used to work. Xavier Breath May 2023 #9

LuvLoogie

(8,907 posts)
1. They believe that trump and people like him have the leverage
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:26 PM
May 2023

to create a permanent, white-nationalist, christo-fascist state.

It's what they want. Above all else, it's what they want.

They spew the bullshit, because they think it gives them cover. They think that the flag and the buy-bull excuse their corruption. They call us pedophiles and communists to convince themselves that their hate and fascism is fair justice.

They don't respect the right of other faiths and ethnicities to check them, to judge them, to hold them accountable.

You can't talk to them because they have been coddled the whole of this nation's history.

Arthur_Frain

(2,406 posts)
10. I think you're optimistic.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:50 PM
May 2023

Sadly, despite what the data reveals, I’m of the opinion that most of the folks in this country are Dunbar than a box of hammers, and proud of it.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
3. But... just as many believe the opposite.
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:33 PM
May 2023

Even more of you consider the votes for Biden.

Edit: that’s we should promote. That’s WE are the majority. Not that they believe otherwise.

Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
4. Very true. If you have a very shallow understanding/engagement
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:35 PM
May 2023

with what's been happening for the last 6 years (or are ignorant of US history, civics and government altogether), you'll likely not understand how this country will end as we know it when an authoritarian regime entrenches itself and never lets go, next time. When all the state SOS's and county clerks refuse to ever again allow Republicans to lose an election, when women's health care is 100% at the mercy of Christian Law, when Democratic politicians are locked up and Republicans are exonerated for any crimes they commit because all the judges will be owned...it's coming.

randr

(12,653 posts)
5. A short time ago a foreign enemy crawled under the lid
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:45 PM
May 2023

and is in the process of destroying our system of governance.

2naSalit

(103,806 posts)
6. I compare it to...
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:47 PM
May 2023

A tarantula hawk.

Behavior
The female tarantula hawk wasp stings a tarantula between the legs, paralyzes it, then drags the prey to a specially prepared burrow, where a single egg is laid on the spider's abdomen, and the burrow entrance is covered.[3] Sex of offspring is determined by fertilization; fertilized eggs produce females, while unfertilized eggs produce males.[3] When the wasp larva hatches, it creates a small hole in the spider's abdomen, then enters and feeds voraciously, avoiding vital organs for as long as possible to keep the spider alive.[3] After several weeks, the larva pupates. Finally, the wasp becomes an adult and emerges from the spider's abdomen to continue the life cycle.

---snip---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_hawk


Xavier Breath

(6,674 posts)
9. This reminded me of someone with whom I used to work.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:47 PM
May 2023

His name was James, and he was leaving the company and I was transferring to his department and moving into his office to assume many of his duties. It was an area where I had worked before, so we had informal discussions about responsibilities as opposed to training sessions. I had known and worked with him for some years, but I had never heard him make a political remark of any sort. Usually, after you spend enough time with someone, they'll let one slip even if they're not a political junkie. But not him. So, one day I steered the discussion into politics and asked for his political philosophy.

He thought for a moment before replaying "They're all crooks." He went on to say that they were all liars, untrustworthy, and were only in it for the power/prestige/money. Further, he said that political parties were all the same, nothing would ever change their or politicians' behavior, so why should he even bother to get involved? This was only a few months after Obama's first inauguration, so I asked him his opinion of his performance so far. "No better or worse than anybody else" or words to that effect. It was more positive a response than I had anticipated. I asked about his parents, and I got the impression he learned his apolitical attitude from them.

It's so easy to think in simplistic terms of us vs. them. Clearly anyone not on our team must be on the other team. But occasionally I remind myself that this country is populated with people like James, who want no part of politics nor engagement with either side. They're not bad people, and certainly not RWNJs. Probably somewhere in the middle. Fair or not, they see futility in participating, so they never vote or get involved. I believe they would say it's all just politics and that our democracy is not under attack, but that's where they diverge from your other statements.

TL;DR: not everyone not on our team is a RWNJ, some people are just apolitical.

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