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Some serious media attention and pressure needs to be applied here.
Nearly a third of votes cast in Arizona remained uncounted the day after the election. Most of them were probably cast by Latinos, organized and newly registered by multiple civil rights groups in the state to combat candidates like the notorious Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpaio.
On Thursday, the Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, announced the figures: 631,274 early and provisional ballots remained uncounted out of a total of 1.8 million votes. At least 350,000 of them are from Maricopa County (Phoenix metropolitan area), where Joe Arpaio has already claimed victory. Activist Randy Parraz, president of Citizens for a Better Arizona, told the Huffington Post, Were not conceding anything until every vote is counted. Theyre just going to act like, Oh, the elections over, Arpaio wins. Hell no.
Three Congressional races also remain in limbo. Although Democrat Rich Carmona originally conceded the Senate seat to Jeff Flake on election night, he changed his mind after hearing the unprecedented number of uncounted votes. On Friday, he sent this message to supporters: We will take every necessary step to make sure all of our supporters ballots are counted. Two U.S. House races are also too close to call until the remainder of the votes are tallied. Protestors from a coalition of rights groups are maintaining a continuous presence outside of the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center. In a letter to the county recorder, Helen Purcell, the American Civil Liberties wrote that the public confidence in the voting process was at risk.
The situation has attracted attention all across the nation. Saturday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid weighed in, issuing a statement of his concern: All of the votes in Arizona must be counted promptly, accurately and equally. The uncounted votes in Maricopa County alone represent a major portion of the total votes cast in Arizona on Tuesday. He also pointed out that this problem occurs just as the Supreme Court is ready to consider whether the voter protections in 1965′s Voter Rights Act should be scaled back. Specifically, the justices are being asked to rule that the part that prevents states from disenfranchising minorities is no longer relevant.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/11/outrage-builds-as-arizona-continues-to-count-votes/
brer cat
(27,587 posts)Arpaio and others have supporters willing to dump those provisional ballots if they are largely Latino.
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)mzteris
(16,232 posts)Do they have to be asked, petitioned? Who makes that decision and hth could we make that happen?
Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Tigress DEM
(7,887 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)is no longer relevant after all the crap 17
stated tried pull. I will the the voters rights act needs to be expanded to include all states not just southern ones
rurallib
(64,688 posts)let's hope others jump in to shine the light on Az.
randr
(12,648 posts)As a Republican activist in Arizona in the '60s, Rehnquist would spend Election Day picking out, and picking off if possible, black voters by challenging their credentials.
Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/opinion/article/Bringing-back-the-good-old-days-of-voter-1288935.php#ixzz2BvSzIqaC
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)If there is a hell, he is rotting in it. I can't believe the Supreme Court will entertain the notion that minority voter protections are no longer needed when the former CHIEF JUSTICE participated in voter suppression of minorities. Sickening.
think
(11,641 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Counting on the other hand is ARITHMETIC!
We know that they don't have those skills.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He is another example of obstructist, not in the business of governing. He is dirty.
Segami
(14,923 posts)StarryNite
(12,115 posts)He has been getting away with all kinds of stuff. He calls himself the toughest sheriff in America yet his dept failed to investigate over 400 sex crimes.
jmowreader
(53,193 posts)The last Toughest Sheriff in America, Gerald Hege of Davidson County, NC, finished his reign of terror under house arrest. Arpaio is headed the same direction, except he makes Hege look like a Boy Scout.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)To he'll with the victims of sex crimes.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,344 posts)I'm hoping that if this thing is so blatantly obvious, no one will question him.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It is the certification of the election that legally determines the winner and these races have not been certified yet.
Baitball Blogger
(52,344 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)ffr
(23,398 posts)Arizonians who appeared to have cast absentee or provisional ballots that were outstanding. TRMS reported it takes up to 45 minutes to count each ballot and they may just give up and through the ballots out.
This is crazy and shows utter incompetence from the Arizona elections officials.
Raster
(21,010 posts)This is no mere incompetence or mistake. This is part of a deliberate and calculated effort to make sure that the non-republicans and minorities - primarily Latinos - will not have their fair say. This is business as usual for "Maricopa Madness," wrought by the tea party and their sycophants.
This is a blatant attempt to control or divert the legal will of the citizens of Arizona so that the Arizona Teabillies and their Tea Party don't have to face wrath of the sane citizens of Arizona.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)They are so wrong. I hope barber,carmona and the guy challenging arpaio kick their butts.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)Worked on his campaign....
This is outrageous.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,436 posts)Or are they just sticking with "Fuck you people...we'll do what we want".
azmesa207
(345 posts)is they have 10 day to complete the count, I called the county recorder last week about this as my wife and I voted with a early ballot and they were not counted as well . I raised hell with the guy and said how can you declair Flake and Apairo as winners I said when over 600000 votes havent been counted I said that there two votes they didn't get. He said there within the law and they will follow it. I said you republican are A** holes and hung up
WinstonSmith4740
(3,436 posts)If they heard more of this, maybe they'd wise up a little.
sweetloukillbot
(12,744 posts)The exact same thing happened in the last 3 elections here. Close races weren't decided for days as they counted the large number of provisional and absentee ballots. ALL of the respective elections (and a couple propositions I think) were decided for the Dems - it just took a long time to get the vote counted.
In 2008 I was covering a recall election in a Phoenix suburb - there were less than 10000 votes cast for it. It was close, about 100 vote difference - and it took 10 days to get the results.
I don't know why they take so damn long, maybe something to do with the voter ID laws - I don't remember if we had this problem in 04 or 02 before the laws went into affect.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)...Republican-leaning districts, white suburban areas, and minority-heavy voting areas.
That doesn't appear to be the pattern, not if the numbers reported from Maricopa County are accurate.
sweetloukillbot
(12,744 posts)Maricopa is primarily Republican and I haven't seen anything saying it is specific precincts. When I voted there were more people in the provisional line, and I live in a more upper class part of town.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)On Tuesday, Maricopa County was one of 51 jurisdictions in 23 states where the federal Justice Department sent election monitors.
On Wednesday, state and Maricopa County election officials reached by AlterNet said there were many reasons why the county had so many uncounted ballots, which did not only include provisional ballots but also mail-in ballots that were dropped off at polling places on Tuesday and overseas ballots...."
thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)But yeah, studies show that the majority of Americans support progressive policies, and if the will of the people is unclear due to the failure of the electoral system, then the right can continue to claim that progressive policies are not what "the American People" want.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)it may all be lost quickly if we dont have a free and fair election system.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)resident, I was dismayed to see so damn many Rs being elected across the state. That's just cheating.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)in these redistricting because they care more about the top of the ticket and do not reach down to the level needed to have control of the process.
This was how Newt came to power. He started working on taking control of the process in 1989 and by 1992, they had control in enough cities to take complete control in enough states to wrest control the Congress from the Democrats
sellitman
(11,745 posts)Just substitute Cactus for Palm Trees.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Raster
(21,010 posts)October
(3,363 posts)Raster
(21,010 posts)...or is conspired against to cast their legal and lawful ballot or chicanery is used to miscount or misreport said ballot, WE ALL LOSE. The concept of democracy becomes cheap and meaningless with no intrinsic value.
Please have FOUGHT AND DIED for over 200 years for this democracy of the people to exist. And the PRIME CORNERSTONE OF THIS DEMOCRACY IS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
And anyone -- ANYONE -- who would impede the legitimate electoral process is, in my opinion, an electoral traitor, and deserves the highest, stiffest penalty available.
This has been a calculated effort in Arizona, Florida and Ohio to disenfranchise voters because they would not vote the directions the rethuglicans wanted them to do, and EVEN MORE FOUL AND DISGUSTING: minorities and people of color were SPECIFICALLY TARGETED BECAUSE OF THEIR ETHNICITY, THEIR SKIN COLOR.
This is EPIC LY WRONG on so, so many levels.
LisaL
(47,423 posts)FL finished counting. AZ is nowhere close to finishing.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)He should have been patient and waited with conceding until ALL the votes were counted. This is, after all, ARYANzona, home of the racists, xemophobes, white-power supremacists, and SB1070. NO DEMOCRAT, let alone Latino Democratic candidates should utter the word concede until ALL votes have been counted fairly.
I'm happy to read that he's changed his mind regarding concession. Rightwing Flake should not get away with stealing his seat in Congress, just as his co-horts all across the country have tried.
Federal elections should be taken back under Federal oversight, not state. Congress can do this if they want to. Let's hope they do or we'll have this shit going on each and every election!
flamingdem
(40,891 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)hootinholler
(26,451 posts)WTF Holter!
marybourg
(13,640 posts)the WH is watching.
Cha
(319,067 posts)the WH is watching."
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)decades! I hope the entire blue state country comes down on this bunch hard.
They used to be famous for stealing land, what does that tell you.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)The counting is continuing and has never stopped. Both Democrats and Republicans have observers there. In addition ANYONE in the world can watch because all the vote counting stations are streamed live 24/7 by video on the internet. That is FAR more than most states in the country do. In fact, despite what some are saying about all provisional ballots being Dem, Arpaio has INCREASED his lead over election night as the remaining ballots are counted. Stop with the made up drama.
Segami
(14,923 posts)but let me add this last quote from the article:
While Secretary of State Bennett tried to attribute the record-setting proportion of uncounted ballots to redistricting, the civil rights groups smell voter suppression. After all, Maricopa County gave out incorrect voting information to Latinos before the election, Jeff Flakes senatorial campaign spread misinformation about polling places in robocalls and, in 2008, the ACLU called Pima County (Tucson metropolitan area) tops in the country for voter suppression because officials threw out 18% of the provisional ballots cast.
So hold up on the congratulations for Arpaio, Flake, and a number of other office seekers in the state. Arizonas got a problem. Perhaps the new Congress would like to take up election reform in order to find a solution.
The practice of voter suppression by these districts is quite clear. You can make whatever argument you want in their defense, their past history of voting suppression and tactics has been noted and ANY and ALL signs of such suppression should be investigated.
On the face, I wouldn't blink for a nano-second and trust these lying weasels to adhere to Arizona's election laws. They are who they are and TRUST is a privilege earned to which they have not done whatsoever.
JMHO!!
Raster
(21,010 posts)... running for dirty electoral tricks poster child. The reich-wing teabilly crowd -- chiefly responsible for Maricopa Madness -- will do just about anything to stay in power.
And as to the "transparency": great, now we can watch the "incompetence" in real-time on the Internet.
And franky, so Arapio has supposedly increased his lead -- that in itself may be cause for concern. It is widely believed that ballots from Latinos are the majority of early voting ballots and the provisional ballots taking so long to count. It goes without saying -- but will do so anyway -- Arapio is considered NO FRIEND to the Arizona Latino community.
sweetloukillbot
(12,744 posts)2 million had the correct date.
The county recorder fixed the problem and sent updated information to those who were given the wrong date.
7 Democrats were called by Flake. They were situations where Republicans hadn't updated their phone numbers in a database. Flake provided information that proved this.
That's not widespread.
And Tucson and Pima county are both heavily Democratic - including city government in Tucson where officials were destroying all those ballots - the complaints I'm seeing down there are from Republicans.
I think Carmona has a pretty good chance to pull this out - I'm sure Barber and Sinema will. Penzone, I'll be very surprised - Arpaio is too popular in the suburbs.
Raster
(21,010 posts)More Hispanic Voters In Arizona Given Wrong Date For Election Day By Maricopa County Officials
For the second time in as many weeks, election officials in Maricopa County, Arizona are in hot water for providing Hispanic voters with false information about when election day is.
Last week, ThinkProgress reported on how Maricopa County Elections Department officials attached a document to voter registration forms that gave the wrong date for anyone reading it in Spanish. The English version of the same document provides the correct date November 6 next to 8 de Noviembre.
At the time, county officials dismissed the error as a clerical mistake, saying that only 50 people received the incorrect document. But a local ABC News affiliate has uncovered at least one more incident of the wrong date being disseminated in Spanish by Maricopas Elections Department.
Paper bookmarks found in three separate election counters throughout the county again give November 8th as election day, and again the mistake is reserved to just the Spanish version of the document. Activists who were perhaps willing to overlook the first incident as a genuine mistake are no longer keeping quiet:
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And BELOW they ESTIMATE the number to be 50:
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Maricopa-County-Elections-Department-admits-error-on-date-of-general-election-on-voter-ID-cards
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The Elections Department spokesperson estimates fewer than 50 people received a document showing the incorrect date.
Walker believes the mistake could have serious consequences.
"It could have a significant impact on the election outcome because they'd go to the polls on November 8th and they wouldn't be open," said Walker. "They wouldn't be able to cast their vote this year."
In a press release, the Elections Department claims to be basing the number of 50 on what they've distributed over the counter in previous years.
Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/Maricopa-County-Elections-Department-admits-error-on-date-of-general-election-on-voter-ID-cards#ixzz2BxqRX9Nt
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Just another HONEST MISTAKE in the most rabidly anti-Latino county in Arizona, possibly in the United States.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Scanned Maricopa election site for it without success.
sweetloukillbot
(12,744 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)links to click on to get to the live stream. Would you post the chain please?
former9thward
(33,424 posts)There are many cameras and all the counties have them. http://recorder.maricopa.gov/elections/Live_Feeds/btcgallery.aspx
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)They're positioned too far back from the counting areas. The temporary elections worker in Oregon would never have been caught committing vote fraud with this setup.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)If you can't see voter fraud from 3 feet then you should be doing something else.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Republicans used to try to trick Latinos into voting for them.
Now they act like those kinds of votes are "dirty" and they don't even want them.
Same goes for the black vote, the female vote, even the liberal white guy vote.
As far as they're concerned, they only want white Christian male and even THEY need to all pass a purity of thinking test before their vote is accepted. I guess you can spot those ballots by their Holy Light.
jhrobbins
(1,633 posts)if maybe they would like to have Arizona?
Raster
(21,010 posts)...be cut from different cloth.
lark
(26,080 posts)Oh no, there is no voter fraud. Oh no, there is no need to distrust partisan state officials, after all 30 of the 52 state governors are Reub, so no problem there. God, I really hope one of the 5 leaves the SCOTUS so Obama has a chance of turning this highly partisan and corporatist branch of government away from the dark side.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)They're very different terms. Voter fraud is what the ReTHUGS were claiming when they set out to suppress the vote. It's virtually nonexistent. What is prevalent on the part of the ReTHUGS is ELECTION FRAUD, which includes vote tampering, screwing with voting software & hardware, voter suppression, etc etc. THAT is RAMPANT in the RETHUG party!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Keep up the good work!
Raster
(21,010 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:51 PM - Edit history (1)
...are almost non-existent. That red herring is just the rethuglican convenient excuse for their....
....wait for it....
....RAMPANT ELECTORAL FRAUD, including voter suppression, voter caging, deliberately passing false voting information to legal and lawful voters, illegally removing law voters from voter rolls, and all that is even before any voters ever make it to their legitimate polling place.
And then there is: false or erroneous polling location information (sorry, just an incompetent oversight), lack of sufficient number of machines (Ohio and Florida are champs at this), deliberately created extensive infrastructure pitfalls designed to annoy voters into leaving without casting their ballots. Add to that mix the right-wing poll watchers and guardians whose entire purpose is to intimidate and frighten voters, especially voters of color and minorities. Also add extensive, over-wrought ballots designed to confuse and obfuscate. Florida is the reigning champ in this category.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)of voter suppression for years. Remember the John Bircher's home base was here at one time,along with Southern Utah. One only has to follow the stench of the Mormon Cult in and around the Phoenix area and look at proven results that have occurred with their help and doing.
Anthony McCarthy
(507 posts)Raster
(21,010 posts)Supreme Injustice
Note the date of the Salon article: Friday, Oct 29, 2004 11:30 AM PDT
The conservatives who now rule the Republican Party trace their political and ideological roots back 40 years to the Goldwater campaign, which they recall as a doomed but noble and prophetic crusade. As the radical rights chosen heir seeks his second presidential term, events also remind us of their legacys most ugly aspect: the Republican Partys continuing determination to intimidate and disenfranchise voters, especially African-Americans and Latinos.
The living symbol of that tradition is William Rehnquist, whose serious illness underlines the judicial stakes of this election. The chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court once made his mark as a young Republican lawyer in Arizona by challenging black and Hispanic voters. Today that urge to suppress democratic participation is represented by Nathan Sproul, another Arizona Republican whose name has become synonymous this year with schemes to frustrate voter registration.
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jillan
(39,451 posts)This should be on every news show on cable.
Yes - Rachel mentioned it, NYT did a piece on it, as did Huffington - but -
what I really think is going to happen is they are going to run out of time, and that will be that.
If Arpaio and Flake win, we need to know that they really did win.
Livid here in Scottsdale!!!!
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)It's simple and easy and can't be hacked.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)Do Oregon have a work around for that?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,223 posts)As the election approaches, the county clerk sets up drop-off points around the city.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)pam4water
(2,916 posts)LisaL
(47,423 posts)People still want to vote in person.
And mail system is not without fraud.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)not always a good alternative.
LisaL
(47,423 posts)And people still want to vote in person.
pam4water
(2,916 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)RedCloud
(9,230 posts)
lunasun
(21,646 posts)what does the small print say/mean in english ?
JusticeForAll
(1,222 posts)Dear Supporters,
We received an update from the County Elections Department yesterday. Here are some highlights:
200 people are working from 7 AM to 10 PM daily, including Veteran's Day.
The earlier number of 114,000 provisional ballots to be processed has been updated to 122,000 provisional ballots.
So far, of the 122,000 provisionals, 8,500 have been processed.
Of those 8,500, 6,900 have proved to be valid.
1,600 are invalid.
The percentage of valid provisionals is 81%. The same as 2008.
So far, 49% of the total provisionals cast were from voters who had received early ballots.
There are 1006 conditional provisionals waiting for voters to return with ID. In 2008 there were 1911.
(I was told that in 2008 there were 99,000 provisional ballots. I haven't confirmed that myself.)
The process for verifying the early ballots that were dropped off (at least 100,000) takes time. But not as long as verifying the provisionals. So the number of ballots that are actually tabulated each day now will be lower. On a good day they could put 80 - 100,000 ballots through the machines. Friday they did 17,000 and yesterday they did 44,788.
The press release from Yvonne Reed said that 200,000 early ballots "still remain to be processed for tabulation."
As more votes are counted some of our Democratic candidates are widening their leads. And in one bright spot please note that CAWCD candidate
Heather Macre has gained enough votes to make it in to the win column. I feel confident that she will stay there as more votes are tabulated.
Please stay tuned.
In solidarity,
Ann Wallack
Chair, Maricopa County Democratic Party
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Timbuk3
(872 posts)Keep counting.
mjvpi
(1,931 posts)After all of the American lives that have been lost so that people in other lands will have the right to vote, how can any veterans support the Republicans? I'd say Dems too , but I haven't heard of them doing this. The myth of democracy that I subscribe to tells me that if all of the facts are presented, I make a decision that I believe correct. My fellow citizens do as well. I be leave I'm right, but I have faith that I could be wrong and my fellow citizens participation will help truth prevail. Republicans have no faith in democracy.
certainot
(9,090 posts)with their local blowhards. those radio stations are a big reason they think they can get away with this shit (and do).
https://sites.google.com/site/universitiesforrushlimbaugh/
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)This is precisely why I never, ever voted early or absentee.