13-year-old PA boy easily gets his dad's handgun, shoots and kills his 12-yr-old friend

[f_townsend]

Gun safe was hardly secure. What good did having the gun in the first place accomplish, after all was said and done?

Not the first time this kind of thing happened in tiny Red Lion, PA: In 2003, a 14-yr-old got ahold of his stepfather's handguns, and shot and killed his school principal and then himself.

https://weartv.com/news/nation-world/felony-murder-third-degree-gun-violence-reckless-endangerment-red-lion-kain-heiland-nolan-grove-grand-jury-witness-york-county-pennsylvania

13-year old charged with felony murder of Kain Heiland

by WHP StaffFri, May 5th 2023, 11:18 AM EDT

YORK COUNTY, Pa. (WHP) — A 13-year-old boy has been charged with third-degree murder in the death of 12-year-old Kain Heiland.

Nolan Grove fatally shot Heiland in the back on April 1, 2023, police said on Friday

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Pennsylvania State Police later executed a search warrant of Grove's father's home, where they located a hidden compartment firearm case in the living room. There was a magnet located on another firearm safe in the living room which could be used to open the compartment. Inside the case was a Kel-Tec P-3AT .380 firearm, which police determined to be functional.

[TheBlackAdder]

1. The LockpickingLawyer shows that almost all personal gun safes can be opened in seconds.

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But, this looks to be even less secure, as just a hidden compartment that wasn't too hidden.

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[Irish_Dem]

2. If you read the report, this kid wanted to shoot the victim for most of the day.

Taunting and trying to get the vicim into an argument,
pointing the gun at him, etc.

[Lovie777]

3. Well he killed him..................

adult status? The young, one dead the other prison?

[Irish_Dem]

6. Yep, and he knew he was going to do it all day.

The witnesses watched it all unfold all day long.

[MontanaMama]

4. It's the fucking guns. n/t

[erronis]

5. Hope the parents get some time behind bars. York, PA - probably not.

Harley-Davidson country.

61% trump in 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_County,_Pennsylvania

Other county offices

Clerk of Courts, Dan Byrnes, Republican[27]
Controller, Greg Bower, Republican
Coroner, Pamela Gay, Republican[28]
District Attorney, David Sunday, Republican[29]
Prothonotary, Allison Blew, Republican[30]
Recorder of Deeds, Laura Shue, Republican[31]
Register of Wills & Clerk of Orphans' Court, Bryan Tate, Republican[32]
Sheriff, Richard P. Keuerleber III, Republican[33]
Treasurer, Barbara Bair, Republican[34]

[35]
State House of Representatives
District Representative[36] Party
47 Keith J. Gillespie Republican
92 Dawn Keefer Republican
93 Mike Jones Republican
94 Stanley E. Saylor Republican
95 Carol Hill-Evans Democratic
169 Kate Klunk Republican
193 Will Tallman Republican
196 Seth Grove Republican
State senate
District Senator Party
28 Kristin Phillips-Hill Republican
31 Mike Regan Republican
33 Doug Mastriano Republican
48 Chris Gebhard Republican

[Wingus Dingus]

7. Would he have stabbed his friend to death instead?

No, that's up-close and personal, bloody, and involves risk of personal injury. Access to a gun is why that boy is dead.

[raccoon]

8. I hope the deceased boy's parents Sue the drawers off the killer's parents.

[Wingus Dingus]

9. Yes. The parents who provided the access should not get to live happy

peaceful prosperous lives after this. I hope their lives are ruined for good.

[taxi]

10. The shot was in the back - a stab in the back wouldn't have been off the table.

[Wingus Dingus]

12. Cowardly and impersonal, just what killing with a gun is for.

Like a video game. A stab in the back may or may not instantly kill someone, that person can whirl around and defend himself possibly. So no, not the same.

[maxsolomon]

11. I find it hard to react any more. This is the actual American Carnage.

As ye so, so ye shall reap.

[Paladin]

13. "a hidden compartment firearm case in the living room"

Couldn't possibly lock up that "functional" .380 pistol in any of the multiple available firearm safes---not when one young boy wanted to shoot and kill another young boy.

Life in present-day America. Sounds like somebody was positively horny for the chance to use that pistol against some intruder or another. I wonder if there's any consolation to be had, in the midst of all those ruined lives.

[lostnfound]

14. New rule: parent of dead child should get to decide whether kid or kid's parent gets charged

13 year old - young and f’ing stupid, growing up in a dumb and dumber society in a clearly dumbass household

Father is guilty.

[lostnfound]

15. New rule: parent of dead child should get to decide whether kid or kid's parent gets charged

13 year old - young and f’ing stupid, growing up in a dumb and dumber society in a clearly dumbass household

Father is guilty.
Kid needs therapy and a new environment for a decade.

Victim’s family needs their son back.

[ecstatic]

16. Even if your gun is "secure," your kids will know how to get into it,

if you're like most parents. But even the super smart, tech savvy parents may have a false sense of security (oh, they would never look there!). Wrong.

[DFW]

17. A firearm "which police determined to be functional." What gave it away?

That the kid was able to kill someone with it?

(Or was that another gun? The article didn't make that quite clear)