I know I'm not the only one who sees it this way. It was RAPE.

[LuckyCharms]

Fingers, penis...it should not matter.

I believe the general public will view it the same way.

[Ohioboy]

1. You're not alone

It was rape.

[Traildogbob]

90. DIT...Freakin....To

That MFer’s tiny fingers have been worse places than his fuckin mushroom cap. Any mother or dad of a daughter thinks the same, and would love to kick his fat ass.
Running for President with high approval…… ya gotta be Fuckin jokin. What a shit hole country. Approved by their Gawd and Jesus. The white one according to Megan Kelly. And if you’ve heard her comments on the shootings and second amendment, fuck her and her White Gawd. Sorry, I am pissed as a dad, only surviving parent of a daughter.
Megan must think they will bring her racist ass back in Tuckums slot.
I would use Tuckums C word for her, but that high road shit will not allow me to.

[AZ8theist]

95. Trump INSISTS he is innocent...

He reveals his actual penis size:

[AZ8theist]

96. Nothing is funny about the situation...

But Dear Koresh I HATE THIS MOTHERFUCKER WITH ALL OF MY BEING.

I just hope this is the start of MULTIPLE TRIALS for crimes AGAINST AMERICA that throw this jerkoff in prison till his DEATH.

[rurallib]

2. Agree - gotta think the MAGA juror voted against that

We will never know for sure.

[yardwork]

41. The jury had to follow the New York state statutes.

New York defines rape in a very specific way. Carroll's testimony indicated that that requirement might not have been met. That's the law. I don't agree with the law either, but the jury had no control over that.

I doubt there was a MAGA on the jury. The made unanimous decisions very quickly.

[bluestarone]

3. You are NOT ALONE

[Spazito]

4. I agree...

the legal definition needs to be updated in New York State and anywhere else that retains the narrow and outdated definition that only allows penis penetration to be classified as rape.

[Ocelot II]

5. Carroll admitted she couldn't tell whether TFG used his tiny fingers

or his tiny dick, so they had to decide as they did per the jury instructions. But TFG can hardly brag about that.

[Blue Owl]

7. Plus his hulking gluttonous gut shielded the whole thing from view

Another un-bragworthy point...

[Hugh_Lebowski]

10. He sure as hell can to his knuckle-dragging Cult because most will NEVER HEAR about the full outcome

All most of them will ever hear from the RW media bubble is that IQ45 was exonerated of rape charges against Carroll. And she said it was rape. So obviously she lied.

Or thereabouts.

In Trump Fantasy-News World, this was a victory.

[OnDoutside]

13. Or....

Link to tweet

[COL Mustard]

85. Tiny dick

Also known as the mushroom.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

86. Button mushroom even.

[COL Mustard]

87. We know it's a mushroom

Because he’s such a fungi.

[DJ Porkchop]

6. Donald J. Rape

[Nevilledog]

8. NY rape law requires a finding of penetration by the penis

https://nycourts.gov/judges/cji/2-PenalLaw/130/130.35%281%29.pdf

Carroll testified that she was attacked from behind and couldn't tell if it was fingers or penis.

Harry Litman on the verdict:

[LuckyCharms]

9. I know, but that won't stop me from

calling him a rapist whenever someone brings up his name.

[Nevilledog]

16. We are in agreement.... He's a rapist.

[malaise]

72. Same here

[niyad]

91. We are none of us involved in this case, so we can, and do, call him whatever

we want. F'n, murdering, orange, RAPIST TRAITOR** works for me.

[ecstatic]

53. How does NY view oral sex rape?

uggh... Clearly their law needs to change ASAP. Must have slipped under the cracks somehow.

[Nevilledog]

79. Sexual misconduct

https://nycourts.gov/judges/cji/2-PenalLaw/130/130.20(2).OSI-Force.pdf


List of NY sex crimes

https://nycourts.gov/judges/cji/2-PenalLaw/130/art130hp.shtml

[NullTuples]

11. The FBI agrees with you

"Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/rape#:~:text=The%20revised%20UCR%20definition%20of,rape%20and%20incest%20are%20excluded.

[Spazito]

14. Wow, just wow.

[Tree-Hugger]

15. Disgusting

"Genuine rape." Fucking vile.

[MrsCoffee]

17. SMDH.

[LuckyCharms]

18. Really, what's the goddamn difference?

She was penetrated.

I'm not talking about the legal definition.

What I'm talking about here is using a word that emphasizes the magnitude what happened to her.

She was penetrated without her consent.

"Assault" doesn't cut it for me.

[boston bean]

19. What the fuck?

That post demands a permanent ban from this site!

[Tree-Hugger]

20. See the

....multiple edits on the post, too. At least 5 edits, none of which delete any of the offending nonsense.

This needs needs a delete and ban.

[ShazzieB]

92. Well, it has been removed, at least.

[leftstreet]

33. +1

[BlackSkimmer]

21. Please tell me I am not reading this correctly?

How about a broomstick? A dildo? A mop handle?

Are you actually being serious here?

GENUINE rape?

God, I have read it all here, truly.

[Hortensis]

24. Okay, meant to say PENILE rape. It's not the only kind of rape, but

it is by far the most profound, insulting, and conquering means men have of victimizing women -- and their societies. Broomsticks aren't in it, though they can be used to cause severe physical damage. And I stand on that.

[Tree-Hugger]

29. Nope

You said "big difference between penis and fingers" and then you added "genuine rape." You edited your post at least 5 times and have not removed any of those words, so we're not going to pretend there is a slip up or confusion.

"Broomsticks aren't in it...." ?????? WTF?

[Hortensis]

32. Yes, a broomstick is not the traditional ultimate weapon of

degrading and conquering women.

The one tRump meant when he spoke proudly of a million years of men attacking women. And the implied benefit to society of strong men overpowering and impregnating unwilling women. That's where his sense of right to rape comes from, besides the rights conferred merely by size and strength of course -- his ability to impregnate.

[Tree-Hugger]

35. Stop yourself

You'd do well to delete your posts. "A broomstick is not the 'traditional' ultimate weapon" ???? Fuck tradition.

Unwanted penetration whether it is penile, digital, or by object is rape. Full stop.

[BlackSkimmer]

38. Godalmighty, I give up. Good luck to you! And thank you!.

It's really amazing.

I suppose that poster doesn't think men can be victims of rape either? Holy crap.

[Tree-Hugger]

42. I need eye bleach

We tried.

[BlackSkimmer]

45. I have to admit, that though I was unsurprised to see it here, I was surprised to see it from that

poster.

Yikes.

[Scrivener7]

68. Yes. It's like aliens have taken over the body.

[BlackSkimmer]

77. Ha! Perhaps!

Just not what I expected, to be certain.

[boston bean]

80. Not overly surprised myself.

Every interaction I experienced is contrarian. I don’t believe with goodwill either.

[Scrivener7]

81. I agree. It's been that way for a while.

[boston bean]

83. That poster is stating being penetrated by anything other than a penis

Is not as bad or “genuine enough” for a woman to feel the same exact violation.

It is disgusting and maddening. And deserves a permanent ban n

[Haggis 4 Breakfast]

93. MUST BE A (CHRONOLOGICAL) MAN.

[BlackSkimmer]

99. Huh?

[Hortensis]

46. Personally, I'd like people to apply this passion to insistence that

society and the media call rape what it is, not diminishing the reporting of this huge violent crime by ilumping it n with a whole bundle of undifferentiated uninvited sexual abuses, like pinching a nipple or grinding a groin against a derriere.

Oh, btw, I'm not what you rightly fear. There are much better targets than your own. Assuming you are on the same side as me in the great battle for our future, of course.

[obamanut2012]

63. WTAF WILL YOU JUST STOP STOP STOP

"not diminishing the reporting of this huge violent crime by ilumping it n with a whole bundle of undifferentiated uninvited sexual abuses, like pinching a nipple or grinding a groin against a derriere. "

[obamanut2012]

61. You really need to stop -- you are being so offensive

Wow. Stop.

[Scrivener7]

66. What the fuck. You need to stop.

[Tree-Hugger]

36. You are reading correctly

And they are doubling down. How any of this is still standing is......well, not surprising, actually.

[Hortensis]

22. Wow, just wow right back. Recommend reading even one article

about the use of violent penile penetration and ejaculation as a weapon of hate and systematic war crime -- and the ongoing suffering of victims. Up to 50,000 females were victims of mass rape, including systematic goals of impregnating as many as possible in Bosnia-Herzegovina alone during that war, most carried out by Serbian soldiers. Thousands of them bore children of rape. But it happens everywhere as an ultimate form of attack by men on women (mostly), including here.

This victim's description of profound lifelong emotional damage is typical of penile rape.

[Tree-Hugger]

34. Stop it now

No one is debating whether rape is used as a weapon of war. No one is denying it. At issue are your assertion about "big difference between penis and fingers" as well as "genuine rape."

Non-penile penetration causes profound lifelong emotional damage. Non-penetrative sexual assault causes profound lifelong emotional damage.

[yardwork]

47. Thank you. I'm actually shocked to read this crap here.

[Hortensis]

58. I guess I won't post links to organizations dedicated to fighting rape

as a crime against women and humanity, and to bringing perpetrators to justice.

Anyone strong enough to be shocked for real knows how to find them.

[obamanut2012]

69. wtf

[mvd]

56. Exactly!

You said it so well. The way you pointed out the emotional damage is right on.

[obamanut2012]

67. I am enraged, and they just keep saying more and more and more

I was digitally raped in college and also by my ex wife, but I guess I wasn't raped, and it wasn't an actual thing for me, just something silly and light.

[BlackSkimmer]

43. Please stop.

Many of those victims that you are not using to "defend" yourself were also raped by objects. A "penis" has absolutely NOThiNG to do with this.

This is horrid to me, that anyone here does not know this,

[Spazito]

54. I'm going to assume you meant to post this to me and not to yourself...

To use war crimes to back up your appalling use of "genuine rape" is beyond belief. You are digging yourself an ever deepening hole, imo.

[demmiblue]

26. Wtf... "genuine rape"?!

[chowder66]

30. Would you think the same if a baton was used, or a broom handle?

Or if the victim was a baby or a toddler?

[Tree-Hugger]

39. That was clarified

A baton would not be "traditional." Absolutely vile.

[chowder66]

57. Traditional. That's just so wrong.

[obamanut2012]

70. They said upthread a broomstick isn't actually rape either

Because it isn't "traditionally" used like a penis.

[chowder66]

84. That's so wrong in my opinion.

[yardwork]

44. I strongly disagree.

[Hortensis]

52. :) A voice of relative moderation. And I said, "to me."

What a hornet's nest.

[RobinA]

65. Well

You went against the groupthink. Although your "to me" pretty much said what needed to be said. Some people we aren't allowed to tell what to think and others should be banned for how they think.

[obamanut2012]

71. Glad to know "non traditional" rape is a joke to you

My God.

[BlackSkimmer]

88. Yes.

Appalling.

[Hortensis]

55. Btw, do we know yet why the jury returned a verdict of sexual assault?

Was it just that the evidence presented was not able to rise to the legal definition of rape? And what are the legal definitions of rape and sexual assault used in this court?

[obamanut2012]

59. "Genuine rape"

what the fuck

[edisdead]

75. Wow. That was actually posted?

Deleting is an option

[Scrivener7]

78. What is this, the ninth edit? Still gross, though.

[FakeNoose]

23. He did it by force, against her will, and I would call it rape

... however I think the jury's award of $5 million will go a long way towards making things right for E. Jean Carroll.

Originally she tried to get him charged with rape under a criminal complaint and the DA could never see it that way. Or maybe he was scared of trying to indict Chump for anything, I don't know. If there had been criminal charges - if Chump had been convicted - it could have sent him to prison but it wouldn't have resulted in the money damages to the plaintiff. Ms. Carroll is actually better off now with her victorious civil suit.

[Maru Kitteh]

25. Agreed, but it's not the jury's fault. The statute must be changed. nt

[LuckyCharms]

28. Agree. The jury followed the law as written. n/t

[Tarc]

27. Damned right it was rape. Legal technicalities are irrelevant

[chowder66]

31. Agreed.

[ismnotwasm]

37. He is rapist piece of shit

And I’m sorry that E. Jean Carrol had to go through this for the smallest piece of justice. That motherfucker went with zero repercussions, while she suffered.

Lock him up.

[Lettuce Be]

40. The law is the law. New York law does not agree with you so accept it.

If you believe in the law, then you must accept the law.

[BlackSkimmer]

48. Well, I never accepted the OJ verdict.

Nor do I accept the failure of the Senate to convict tfg.

So, oh well.

[LuckyCharms]

49. Most people don't carry law books around with them.

I do accept the law.

If I was on that jury, I would have followed the law, as they did.

That being said...he's a rapist.

[NutmegYankee]

64. I'm not a citizen of New York.

I'm free to apply the commonly used definitions, such as the FBI definition.

[Scrivener7]

73. The law used to call black people 3/5 of a person. The law says a lot of things that make

no sense. And no, I do not have to accept that.

[Hortensis]

76. I've been waiting for someone to post the law

and reasoning the jury based its verdict on. No doubt it'll be discussed at length in coming days, though.

[boston bean]

82. we do know the reason was not because of what you state.

You said it wasn’t “genuine rape”.

[yardwork]

50. I agree. These laws need to be changed.

North Carolina has the same narrow definition of rape, allowing horrific attacks to be classified as other than rape.

[Hekate]

51. You are by no means alone

Shocked at the subthread here

[Emile]

60. According to Trump if you are a STAR like himself it's not rape.

[Torchlight]

62. I realize legal and conversational definitions often vary.

So when I call Trump a rapist, I'm not speaking as a lawyer, just as an informal citizen. When I call the J6ers terrorists, again not a legal definition. When I tell people I discovered the Beatles in 1980, I'd most likely giggle at anyone who inferred I discovered The Beatles.

[Scrivener7]

74. This. Well said.

[uponit7771]

98. +1,

[Marthe48]

89. Another aspect to think about

The shit line from traitor when he denied raping Ms. Carroll 'she's not my type' is bs. Rapists care about opportunity. Period.

There are serial rapists and child molesters who get more provoked when they see a certain hair color or age group, but mainly, if a rapist can rape, he will. Rape is not an act of needing physical relief, it is not a primordial urge and it is not a response to looks or apparel. It is a sadistic need to overpower, punish and control.

Anyway, let's keep educating people about the underlying reasons for rape, and maybe there will be fewer victims someday.

[llmart]

94. He'll never be anything but a scumbag rapist to me.

I will continue to use the word rape whenever I talk with anyone about this case. If the GOP can co-opt words and repeat them we need to follow their example.

Hang that moniker around the orange scumbag's neck for the rest of his miserable life.

[Kennah]

97. This was a civil case, but the act was rape

[LAS14]

100. It all depends on the laws of the state. New York's are different.... nt