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Heres what Chris Licht said the day he took over at CNN: Sadly, too many people have lost trust in the news media. I think we can be a beacon in regaining that trust by being an organization that exemplifies the best characteristics in journalism: fearlessly speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo, questioning group-think and educating viewers and readers with straightforward facts and insightful commentary, while always being respectful of differing viewpoints. First and foremost, we should, and we will be advocates for truth.
Well, I hope today some of his more alert employees are reminding him of those noble words, because the Donald Trump town hall was an absolute fiasco for journalism and democracy; quite plainly the worst non-Fox night of cable news in recent memory. This was a grotesque scramble for ratings and cash, a naked bid by CNN to get some of that flagging post-Tucker Fox News audience thats out there up for grabs. Newsmax?! OANN?! Who are these pipsqueaks, Licht obviously sits around his office wondering as he conceives of some way for mighty CNN get a slice of that juicy pie.
People make mistakes and miscalculations in this world, all the time. But this isnt one of those times. Licht and CNN knew exactly what they were doing. Cable news critics started to see signs of CNNs rightward shift last fallthe departures of John Harwood and Brian Stelter serving as a distant early warning. Licht was reportedly behind the canning of Harwood, a terrific journalist with years of experience at The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times. Harwood was no liberal polemicist. He was a reality-based journalist. That he couldnt pass muster with Licht should have been, and was, a tip-off. Licht went on a listening tour, promising advertisers that his CNN would hear both sides. And it was well after January 6 that Licht has this brainstorm.
This town hall, then, was no miscalculation. CNN execs did not err by filling that audience with a bunch of MAGA shills who tittered at the idea of the former president committing an act of sexual abuse. They knew exactly what they were doing. As Warner Brothers/Discover CEO David Zaslav, whos no less responsible for this disaster than Licht, said last week, they want those disaffected Fox viewers who question that networks total commitment to Trump, the sort who were up in arms when Fox called Arizona (prematurely but correctly) for Joe Biden: Were happy hes coming on there
This is a new CNN. Im proud of CNN, were on a great journey and this country needs it.
Read more: https://newrepublic.com/article/172655/trump-awful-cnn-licht-worse
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)supporters tonight? I dont.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)regnaD kciN
(27,640 posts)CNN did it for him. His crap is normalized once again.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)He's not. He's shown he's well past that point.
Realize that.
His aim is to further radicalize the extremists that already support him. Do that, and he doesn't need voters. He just needs his supporters to successfully overthrow democracy this time around.
Johnny2X2X
(24,207 posts)You don't think he's going to be able to do that with or without a CNN Townhall?
Trump still has to win the 2024 election, we still have valid and sound eolections in this country. These clowns aren't over throwing a newspaper stand much less our elections.
And Trump still needs enough votes to fiegn any sort of legitimacy, he lost votes last night, he didn't gain them.
People are ignoring the fact that Trump has a strategy to win votes and he spent a portion of last night doing so, his strategy is to paint Biden's America as a hellscape, he did that last night because he knows he needs millions more votes in 2024.
Initech
(108,783 posts)It was designed to send a message, and that message is "don't fuck with us". Fuck Trump, the MAGAs, and all of his enablers.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Pretty spot-on.
The "group-think" problem is especially salient on this forum. We need more advocates for truth and good journalism.
These things ought not be "controversial."
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)This is the same network that said he lied so much they didn't have enough time to fact check him, yeah?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)But CNN is working at it. Kaitlan Collins did an estimable job in real-time to counter Trump's lies and the panels that have been on since have further dissected Trump's mendacities.
I'm not sure you are reading their comments correctly.
Trump came off badly in this Town Hall. Joe Biden is already fundraising off Trump's disaster.
E. Jean Carroll has grounds for another lawsuit.
He exposed himself as a Russian asset and much more.
I thank CNN for doing what needs to be done. A good night for liberal democracy and the Democratic Party, and a bad night for Donald J Trump.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)He is not.
He has abandoned the democratic way.
He doesn't give one shit whether or not he came off as reasonable or whether he turned off more voters than he won over because for what he has planned, he doesn't need voters.
He just needs his supporters.
Just his supporters, but even more radicalized than they already have been. Willing to go to even further lengths to install him as president. Willing to go further than January 6th.
And to that end, he got *exactly* what he wanted.
Shame on CNN and anyone else that hasn't realized this yet.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Trump is clearly NOT a "traditional" candidate. And that's an understatement of all-time.
He is a threat. The best way to diffuse the treat is to expose his derangement, dishonesty, and narcissism to the voting public.
Trump did himself and his campaign harm last night, just as I expected he would.
MAGA extremists are too few to win elections in the electoral college. Biden will pick up support from Americans who are done with Trump's bullshit.
This is a positive development.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)You just don't get it.
His goal at this point is not to win over voters but instead further radicalize the supporters he already has into going even further and actually be successful at their insurrection this time around. He has abandoned the democratic process. It doesn't matter how he came across the majority of Americans or the majority of voters last night, because his plans don't involve them anyway.
Once you get past the naive rationale that he is trying to win over voters like a traditional candidate, maybe then you'll realize why CNN giving him a platform to do just that last night was so harmful.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Trump is an aberration and a person who must never regain power (and shame on those who helped enable his victory in the first place).
The best way to deal with such people is to shine a bright light on them.
Nothing naive about that approach.
Trump acting like an extremist loon doesn't advance his election odds, it hurts them. Clearly.
That has been my considered opinion all along. Nothing has changed in the slightest.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)The best way to diffuse the treat is to expose his derangement, dishonesty, and narcissism to the voting public.
I totally agree. It does us no good to not understand the enemy. Trump couldn't possibly have improved his standing with anyone who was not already a deranged follower. Putting ourselves in a news bubble, the way the right has done, doesn't benefit us or society in general.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)desire to have "news bubbles" that are the mirror images of FOX.
And you are spot on, this does not benefit a democratic society, it is a formula to enable authoritarian populism.
maxrandb
(17,428 posts)In critical state after critical state, Retrumplican State Legislatures and Retrumplican Governors are making sure that the votes don't matter, as long as you can "fix" the way they are cast and counted.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)trump is the issue, not CNN.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
Bad night for Trump. Good night for America.
CNN made a good call.
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)The ones that are already willing to kill on his behalf and have actually done so at pretty regular intervals lately? The ones willing to go to jail for him to help overthrow the democratic process and instill him as our dictator?
Because that's what he's going for at this point.
It doesn't matter if you come across as stupid, incompetent, and a loser to the majority of voters when your plans involve disregarding those voters entirely -- as he has already tried to do, on numerous occasions now -- and seizing office on the backs of his fascist supporters.
If he even gained one supporter last night or further radicalized one supporter -- which he almost assuredly did -- it was a loss for our democracy, PERIOD. It doesn't matter how many voters he turned off because HE HAS ABANDONED DEMOCRACY. HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT THE VOTERS WANT.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Just check the typical Trump supporter in 2015 to 2020 to today.
THEY ARE FUCKING KILLING US ON THE STREETS ALMOST WEEKLY NOW. Remember Charlottesville and how outraged everyone was? They are fucking doing that almost weekly now, with the most recent being that fascist in the Texas mall shooting.
And 30% of the population is more than enough to foment an insurrection and install a dictatorship. If a dictator had fucking majority support, they wouldn't need to overthrow the democratic process to seize power, now would they?
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)but have strong opinions to offer in any case) are hard to fathom.
A free press is essential to preserving a liberal democracy.
CNN isn't the "enemy" here, it is Donald J Trump.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)... that TRY not to create a news bubble. That's our only hope in the future, with AI threats all around. I welcome CNN's effort to stay away from bubble mentality.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)and letting a pathological liar gish gallop over the moderator for an hour to constant applause is not even remotely journalism.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)Spazito
(55,500 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)and huis MAGA supporters clap or laugh, it undermines Trump's campaign in a fashion that having an audience boo him could never accomplish in moving persuadable voters away from Trump and to Joe Biden.
Chris Licht is taking the correct approach. It is a good path for CNN and necessary for the good of the nation.
Authoritarian populism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. That's clear. The press is always the first institution that they need to destroy.
Spazito
(55,500 posts)He was exactly as he has been for 6+ years. If you think that giving him a platform changed any minds, you are the one living in a bubble, imo.
CNN wants ratings which drives advertising, full stop.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Trump said stupid things that will alienate voters and potentially has exposed himself to additional lawsuits. That's for sure.
The man has no discipline and predictably damaged his campaign.
Putting this on display was exactly what good journalists ought to do. It is valuable to our party and to the nation.
Trump needs to be stopped. The Town Hall helps.
617Blue
(2,472 posts)I'm just asking questions.
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)IzzaNuDay
(1,295 posts)Time for a boycott.
If CNN had any ethics or morals, this town hall should have been canceled and replaced with alternate programming.
They need to pay for parading around 45 after being found guilty of sexual abuse.
617Blue
(2,472 posts)spread RW bullspit under the guise of the "just asking questions".
LAS14
(15,506 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(106,212 posts)He was, by any objective measurement, "the worst". Worse than the audience cheering him on. Worse than the CNN executives who wanted a ratings win. And worse than the production team.
And it's not a question of "expectations", either. He is a former president, and current candidate. The expectations for him should be higher than any of the other participants.
CNN may have fallen further more recently than the others, but New Republic's headline (not in the headline now, but still in the editorial) lets Trump off. The blame, always, is first on him. To deflect from that is to pretend he can't help being a motherfucker - sexual assaulter, bigot, financial crook, idiot about Covid, climate change denier etc. We must always remember that he can help it, and chooses not to.