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Galraedia

(5,331 posts)
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:58 AM May 2023

Trump Was Awful. CNN Was Worse.

Here’s what Chris Licht said the day he took over at CNN: “Sadly, too many people have lost trust in the news media. I think we can be a beacon in regaining that trust by being an organization that exemplifies the best characteristics in journalism: fearlessly speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo, questioning ‘group-think’ and educating viewers and readers with straightforward facts and insightful commentary, while always being respectful of differing viewpoints. First and foremost, we should, and we will be advocates for truth.”

Well, I hope today some of his more alert employees are reminding him of those noble words, because the Donald Trump “town hall” was an absolute fiasco for journalism and democracy; quite plainly the worst non-Fox night of cable news in recent memory. This was a grotesque scramble for ratings and cash, a naked bid by CNN to get some of that flagging post-Tucker Fox News audience that’s out there up for grabs. “Newsmax?! OANN?! Who are these pipsqueaks,” Licht obviously sits around his office wondering as he conceives of some way for mighty CNN get a slice of that juicy pie.

People make mistakes and miscalculations in this world, all the time. But this isn’t one of those times. Licht and CNN knew exactly what they were doing. Cable news critics started to see signs of CNN’s rightward shift last fall—the departures of John Harwood and Brian Stelter serving as a distant early warning. Licht was reportedly behind the canning of Harwood, a terrific journalist with years of experience at The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times. Harwood was no liberal polemicist. He was a reality-based journalist. That he couldn’t pass muster with Licht should have been, and was, a tip-off. Licht went on a “listening tour,” promising advertisers that his CNN would hear both sides. And it was well after January 6 that Licht has this brainstorm.

This town hall, then, was no miscalculation. CNN execs did not err by filling that audience with a bunch of MAGA shills who tittered at the idea of the former president committing an act of sexual abuse. They knew exactly what they were doing. As Warner Brothers/Discover CEO David Zaslav, who’s no less responsible for this disaster than Licht, said last week, they want those disaffected Fox viewers who question that network’s total commitment to Trump, the sort who were up in arms when Fox called Arizona (prematurely but correctly) for Joe Biden: “We’re happy he’s coming on there…This is a new CNN. I’m proud of CNN, we’re on a great journey and this country needs it.”

Read more: https://newrepublic.com/article/172655/trump-awful-cnn-licht-worse

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Trump Was Awful. CNN Was Worse. (Original Post) Galraedia May 2023 OP
Do you or New Republic think trump improved his position beyond rube Silent Type May 2023 #1
Me neither. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #2
He didn't need to... regnaD kciN May 2023 #6
Imagine being naive enough to think a man that fomented January 6th is looking to win over voters. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #7
So what? Johnny2X2X May 2023 #24
This was a hit job. And a "get revenge quick" scheme. Initech May 2023 #3
Chris Licht's goals are are well-considered. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #4
"Straight forward facts and insightful commentary" W_HAMILTON May 2023 #8
Correct. Trump did lie so much that it is hard to fact check it all. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #9
You are taking the naive approach that Trump is a traditional candidate. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #13
Not a bit. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #16
You say one thing and then completely contradict yourself. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #19
No. I'm entirely consistent. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #25
Yes! LAS14 May 2023 #28
It is strange that some of the loudest voices who falsely accuse CNN of becoming the "new FOX" Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #31
Thank you! This was only bad for Donnie Dipshit in a democracy where the votes matter maxrandb May 2023 #23
Exactly. CNN called him a liar, cad, rapist, liar, failed president, etc. Yet, CNN gets criticized. Silent Type May 2023 #11
CNN is the issue for giving him a platform last night. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #14
I'm glad they gave him a "platform" to look stupid, incompetent, and a loser. Silent Type May 2023 #15
With you 100% Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #17
Are you glad they gave him a platform to further radicalize his supporters? W_HAMILTON May 2023 #18
His supporters are already radicalized. Fortunately, they are less than 30% of population. Silent Type May 2023 #20
They can be more radicalized, as we've already seen. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #21
Yes they did. And the responses of many (including those who didn't watch the program Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #27
Yes! We need news media... LAS14 May 2023 #29
Holding a political rally full of supporters jcgoldie May 2023 #22
I couldn't agree with you more! nt LAS14 May 2023 #26
So restricting the audience to republicans and leaning republican is... Spazito May 2023 #32
Watch the clips. When Trump makes his wildest and most misogynistic comments Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #33
There were NO surprises in this travesty of 'journalism'... Spazito May 2023 #34
There were few surprises. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #35
2 + 2 Equals 5, let's discuss. 617Blue May 2023 #37
Thank you Joinfortmill May 2023 #5
Time to send a message to companies advertising on CNN IzzaNuDay May 2023 #10
"challenging the status quo, questioning 'group-think'" - Sounds like Musk, Rogan, Carlson et al 617Blue May 2023 #12
I want to echo the thoughts of Just a Box of Rain in this thread. nt LAS14 May 2023 #30
That's ridiculous. Of course Trump was the biggest motherfucker involved in this. muriel_volestrangler May 2023 #36
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
1. Do you or New Republic think trump improved his position beyond rube
Thu May 11, 2023, 01:05 AM
May 2023

supporters tonight? I don’t.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
7. Imagine being naive enough to think a man that fomented January 6th is looking to win over voters.
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:02 AM
May 2023

He's not. He's shown he's well past that point.

Realize that.

His aim is to further radicalize the extremists that already support him. Do that, and he doesn't need voters. He just needs his supporters to successfully overthrow democracy this time around.

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
24. So what?
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:49 AM
May 2023

You don't think he's going to be able to do that with or without a CNN Townhall?

Trump still has to win the 2024 election, we still have valid and sound eolections in this country. These clowns aren't over throwing a newspaper stand much less our elections.

And Trump still needs enough votes to fiegn any sort of legitimacy, he lost votes last night, he didn't gain them.

People are ignoring the fact that Trump has a strategy to win votes and he spent a portion of last night doing so, his strategy is to paint Biden's America as a hellscape, he did that last night because he knows he needs millions more votes in 2024.

Initech

(108,783 posts)
3. This was a hit job. And a "get revenge quick" scheme.
Thu May 11, 2023, 01:07 AM
May 2023

It was designed to send a message, and that message is "don't fuck with us". Fuck Trump, the MAGAs, and all of his enablers.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
4. Chris Licht's goals are are well-considered.
Thu May 11, 2023, 01:10 AM
May 2023
"Fearlessly speaking truth to power, challenging the status quo, questioning ‘group-think’ and educating viewers and readers with straightforward facts and insightful commentary, while always being respectful of differing viewpoints. First and foremost, we should, and we will be advocates for truth."

Pretty spot-on.

The "group-think" problem is especially salient on this forum. We need more advocates for truth and good journalism.

These things ought not be "controversial."

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
8. "Straight forward facts and insightful commentary"
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:03 AM
May 2023

This is the same network that said he lied so much they didn't have enough time to fact check him, yeah?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
9. Correct. Trump did lie so much that it is hard to fact check it all.
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:13 AM
May 2023

But CNN is working at it. Kaitlan Collins did an estimable job in real-time to counter Trump's lies and the panels that have been on since have further dissected Trump's mendacities.

I'm not sure you are reading their comments correctly.

Trump came off badly in this Town Hall. Joe Biden is already fundraising off Trump's disaster.

E. Jean Carroll has grounds for another lawsuit.

He exposed himself as a Russian asset and much more.

I thank CNN for doing what needs to be done. A good night for liberal democracy and the Democratic Party, and a bad night for Donald J Trump.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
13. You are taking the naive approach that Trump is a traditional candidate.
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:12 AM
May 2023

He is not.

He has abandoned the democratic way.

He doesn't give one shit whether or not he came off as reasonable or whether he turned off more voters than he won over because for what he has planned, he doesn't need voters.

He just needs his supporters.

Just his supporters, but even more radicalized than they already have been. Willing to go to even further lengths to install him as president. Willing to go further than January 6th.

And to that end, he got *exactly* what he wanted.

Shame on CNN and anyone else that hasn't realized this yet.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
16. Not a bit.
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:18 AM
May 2023

Trump is clearly NOT a "traditional" candidate. And that's an understatement of all-time.

He is a threat. The best way to diffuse the treat is to expose his derangement, dishonesty, and narcissism to the voting public.

Trump did himself and his campaign harm last night, just as I expected he would.

MAGA extremists are too few to win elections in the electoral college. Biden will pick up support from Americans who are done with Trump's bullshit.

This is a positive development.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
19. You say one thing and then completely contradict yourself.
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:27 AM
May 2023

You just don't get it.

His goal at this point is not to win over voters but instead further radicalize the supporters he already has into going even further and actually be successful at their insurrection this time around. He has abandoned the democratic process. It doesn't matter how he came across the majority of Americans or the majority of voters last night, because his plans don't involve them anyway.

Once you get past the naive rationale that he is trying to win over voters like a traditional candidate, maybe then you'll realize why CNN giving him a platform to do just that last night was so harmful.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
25. No. I'm entirely consistent.
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:06 PM
May 2023

Trump is an aberration and a person who must never regain power (and shame on those who helped enable his victory in the first place).

The best way to deal with such people is to shine a bright light on them.

Nothing naive about that approach.

Trump acting like an extremist loon doesn't advance his election odds, it hurts them. Clearly.

That has been my considered opinion all along. Nothing has changed in the slightest.

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
28. Yes!
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:14 PM
May 2023
The best way to diffuse the treat is to expose his derangement, dishonesty, and narcissism to the voting public.


I totally agree. It does us no good to not understand the enemy. Trump couldn't possibly have improved his standing with anyone who was not already a deranged follower. Putting ourselves in a news bubble, the way the right has done, doesn't benefit us or society in general.
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
31. It is strange that some of the loudest voices who falsely accuse CNN of becoming the "new FOX"
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:18 PM
May 2023

desire to have "news bubbles" that are the mirror images of FOX.

And you are spot on, this does not benefit a democratic society, it is a formula to enable authoritarian populism.

maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
23. Thank you! This was only bad for Donnie Dipshit in a democracy where the votes matter
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:47 AM
May 2023

In critical state after critical state, Retrumplican State Legislatures and Retrumplican Governors are making sure that the votes don't matter, as long as you can "fix" the way they are cast and counted.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
11. Exactly. CNN called him a liar, cad, rapist, liar, failed president, etc. Yet, CNN gets criticized.
Thu May 11, 2023, 09:53 AM
May 2023

trump is the issue, not CNN.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
17. With you 100%
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:20 AM
May 2023

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Bad night for Trump. Good night for America.

CNN made a good call.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
18. Are you glad they gave him a platform to further radicalize his supporters?
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:22 AM
May 2023

The ones that are already willing to kill on his behalf and have actually done so at pretty regular intervals lately? The ones willing to go to jail for him to help overthrow the democratic process and instill him as our dictator?

Because that's what he's going for at this point.

It doesn't matter if you come across as stupid, incompetent, and a loser to the majority of voters when your plans involve disregarding those voters entirely -- as he has already tried to do, on numerous occasions now -- and seizing office on the backs of his fascist supporters.

If he even gained one supporter last night or further radicalized one supporter -- which he almost assuredly did -- it was a loss for our democracy, PERIOD. It doesn't matter how many voters he turned off because HE HAS ABANDONED DEMOCRACY. HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT THE VOTERS WANT.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
20. His supporters are already radicalized. Fortunately, they are less than 30% of population.
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:30 AM
May 2023

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
21. They can be more radicalized, as we've already seen.
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:36 AM
May 2023

Just check the typical Trump supporter in 2015 to 2020 to today.

THEY ARE FUCKING KILLING US ON THE STREETS ALMOST WEEKLY NOW. Remember Charlottesville and how outraged everyone was? They are fucking doing that almost weekly now, with the most recent being that fascist in the Texas mall shooting.

And 30% of the population is more than enough to foment an insurrection and install a dictatorship. If a dictator had fucking majority support, they wouldn't need to overthrow the democratic process to seize power, now would they?

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
27. Yes they did. And the responses of many (including those who didn't watch the program
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:12 PM
May 2023

but have strong opinions to offer in any case) are hard to fathom.

A free press is essential to preserving a liberal democracy.

CNN isn't the "enemy" here, it is Donald J Trump.

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
29. Yes! We need news media...
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:17 PM
May 2023

... that TRY not to create a news bubble. That's our only hope in the future, with AI threats all around. I welcome CNN's effort to stay away from bubble mentality.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
22. Holding a political rally full of supporters
Thu May 11, 2023, 11:41 AM
May 2023

… and letting a pathological liar gish gallop over the moderator for an hour to constant applause is not even remotely “journalism”.

Spazito

(55,500 posts)
32. So restricting the audience to republicans and leaning republican is...
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:18 PM
May 2023
"advocating for truth" and "respectful of differing viewpoints"? Nice try.
 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
33. Watch the clips. When Trump makes his wildest and most misogynistic comments
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:23 PM
May 2023

and huis MAGA supporters clap or laugh, it undermines Trump's campaign in a fashion that having an audience boo him could never accomplish in moving persuadable voters away from Trump and to Joe Biden.

Chris Licht is taking the correct approach. It is a good path for CNN and necessary for the good of the nation.

Authoritarian populism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. That's clear. The press is always the first institution that they need to destroy.

Spazito

(55,500 posts)
34. There were NO surprises in this travesty of 'journalism'...
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:26 PM
May 2023

He was exactly as he has been for 6+ years. If you think that giving him a platform changed any minds, you are the one living in a bubble, imo.

CNN wants ratings which drives advertising, full stop.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
35. There were few surprises.
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:29 PM
May 2023

Trump said stupid things that will alienate voters and potentially has exposed himself to additional lawsuits. That's for sure.

The man has no discipline and predictably damaged his campaign.

Putting this on display was exactly what good journalists ought to do. It is valuable to our party and to the nation.

Trump needs to be stopped. The Town Hall helps.

IzzaNuDay

(1,295 posts)
10. Time to send a message to companies advertising on CNN
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:56 AM
May 2023

Time for a boycott.
If CNN had any ethics or morals, this town hall should have been canceled and replaced with alternate programming.
They need to pay for parading around 45 after being found guilty of sexual abuse.

617Blue

(2,472 posts)
12. "challenging the status quo, questioning 'group-think'" - Sounds like Musk, Rogan, Carlson et al
Thu May 11, 2023, 09:56 AM
May 2023

spread RW bullspit under the guise of the "just asking questions".

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
36. That's ridiculous. Of course Trump was the biggest motherfucker involved in this.
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:17 PM
May 2023

He was, by any objective measurement, "the worst". Worse than the audience cheering him on. Worse than the CNN executives who wanted a ratings win. And worse than the production team.

And it's not a question of "expectations", either. He is a former president, and current candidate. The expectations for him should be higher than any of the other participants.

CNN may have fallen further more recently than the others, but New Republic's headline (not in the headline now, but still in the editorial) lets Trump off. The blame, always, is first on him. To deflect from that is to pretend he can't help being a motherfucker - sexual assaulter, bigot, financial crook, idiot about Covid, climate change denier etc. We must always remember that he can help it, and chooses not to.

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