Why Team Biden Was 'Positively Giddy' Last Night

[applegrove]

Why Team Biden Was ‘Positively Giddy’ Last Night

May 11, 2023 at 12:54 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 3 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/11/why-team-biden-was-positively-giddy-last-night/

"SNIP........

If you wonder why the Biden team was described as “positively giddy” after Donald Trump’s town hall appearance, it’s because he showed him far out of touch with the majority of Americans.

Consider the following:

* Trump wouldn’t say if he wanted Ukraine to win the war with Russia, but a recent YouGov poll showed 67% of Americans want Ukraine to prevail.

* Trump declined to declare Vladimir Putin a “war criminal,” but a recent Quinnipiac poll finds 80% of Americans think he is.

* Trump said he would pardon a “large portion” of the January 6 rioters at the Capitol, but a recent Morning Consult-Politico poll found that 68% of Americans don’t think they should be pardoned.

* Trump suggested Republicans allow the U.S. to default on its debt, but a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll finds 58% think that would be irresponsible.

* Trump took credit for repealing Roe v. Wade, but a recent NPR/PBS Newshour/Marist poll finds 61% of Americans support abortion rights.

By any definition, Trump’s positions are extreme to the majority of voters.

And the best part for Democrats? They have him on video saying all of these things.

Said one Biden aide: “It was quite efficient. Weeks worth of damning content in one hour.”

.........SNIP"

[GreenWave]

1. Will somebody finally slam him for expanding the J 6th rioters parade route another 8 blocks

so they could reach the Capital?

[ShazzieB]

44. That particular bit of info is new to me!

I wonder if you could expand on that, in case I'm not the only one. What was the original route, and when did Trump expand it?

[GreenWave]

51. Originally it was slated to stop 8 blocks away.

This was reported early on until they went crazy. "IQ 45 extended the route."
This could have been a distortion of what happened to inspire the insurrectionists to go the extra blocks: IOW tell the media the false news that the insurrectionists now had IQ 45's permission to go to the Capital. Media backs away from its role.

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/01/14/organized-march-to-capitol-was-not-permitted-rally-organizers-warned-white-house/

And while I searched for the FOIA permit for the rioters I have yet to find it:
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/foia/2021-05-04/capitol-riot-documents-you-should-read-part-3

I just remember hearing that on the "news" and thinking nothing but trouble is coming.

[ShazzieB]

54. Very interesting!

I missed that detail at the time somehow. Learn something new everyday!

[TheRealNorth]

2. They got some useful political ad fodder.....

If they ever bother to use it. Of course, Trump will deny he said it and the press will "both sides" whether Trump lied or not.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

3. I love this ad from the Biden campaign

Link to tweet

[Tree Lady]

23. I like how they showed him talking and what

really happened at the same time. For the idiots that think he doesn't lie what could be more obvious? Hopefully they will do more ads like this. And I was thrilled by how quick the ad came out. They know with social media they have to post instantly.

[Hope22]

58. His sickness seeps from every pore....n/t

[Maraya1969]

4. They need to make these things into advertisements. Because I'd say most people did not watch last

night and most people that vote for Trump don't even have an idea about all the horrible things he has done.

One of the biggest is his "program" for keeping people from coming to this country by taking their children away from them! Kaitlin Collins let that one slide when he said Obama was the one who built the "jails". She should have explained that Obama did not do that as a tactic like Trump did - to keep people away and steal their kids. He did it to keep minor who came across the border until they could be reunited with family. People need to know this damn it!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

11. They already are.

[live love laugh]

5. " 68%" is good only if you ignore gerrymandering.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

7. Gerrymandering has zero effect on presidential elections

[live love laugh]

10. I didn't know that.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

12. Not completely true. It can affect access to polling places.

I get your point, but they can make it very hard for people with lower incomes to get to a polling place with gerrymandering.

[erronis]

19. Thanks for making this point. State gerrymandering can affect voting in many ways.

It's not just those with lower income, but also mobility issues, feeling threatened when voting, etc.

[uponit7771]

56. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[whopis01]

21. Gerrymandering has a huge effect on state level and local governments

The state and local governments control how the elections are run. That in turn has a significant impact on Presidential elections.

Certainly it is a second-level effect, and not a direct effect. But it is far from zero.

[Effete Snob]

32. The electoral college IS a gerrymander

Big, empty rectangular states have more electoral power per capita than more populous ones.

That is WHY people like W and Trump got elected in the first place, while actually losing the popular vote.

[OMGWTF]

35. THIS! THIS! THIS!

It disgusts me that a state like California with nearly 40 million people only gets two senators when LA County alone has more people than ten red low population states combined which gets 20 senators. How TF is that fair?

[Demsrule86]

39. There is nothing we can do about that but we can expand the House and should.

[Hieronymus Phact]

61. There are things that can be done

DC Statehood would be a good start.

[Effete Snob]

43. That's why national polls on a lot of things are pointless

[Just A Box Of Rain]

6. The Biden campaign has every reason to be "positively giddy" over Trump's on-air disaster.

They know this helps Joe Biden and hurts Trump.

Too many people appear to out of touch with basic electoral politics.

Bad night for Trump. A gift to Joe Biden.

That's a huge positive.

[getagrip_already]

8. 58% think defaulting would be irresponsible? 42% are ok with it?

Boggles the mind to think that 42% (even in a wildly innaccurate poll) would be ok with a world wide financial meltdown and a depression at home.

Or do republicans not need any money to pay bills or buy stuff?

[Hekate]

16. They are unbelievably ignorant about how the US government is run. Therefore they believe RW lies.

Civics is booooring, they are told. Economics is boooring, they are told, and too hard to understand.

The Right Wing tells them simple stories about everything being a zero-sum game. The RW tells them simple stories about government spending being just like their own small family budget.

Democrats need to counter with a simple story about how Uncle Sam uses a credit card, and has already made purchases, and now needs to pay the bill for those purchases.

[Tree Lady]

24. All they care about is winning and if it takes a depression

that's ok with them if they win. It's so insane its unbelievable!

[Geechie]

33. Truth. Most of them don't even remember

what the Great Depression really felt like to working class people. They weren’t born yet or were too young to understand.

[OMGWTF]

36. A huge problem is that people who experienced WWII and the Great Depression are dying off

and the memory of those disasters dies with them, so we are bound to repeat these atrocities.

[housecat]

29. No way do 42% even knoiw what default means.

That's an interesting question re magat money. Probably more magats depend on gov't money than Dems. But they don't know that either.

[TexasBushwhacker]

41. I agree. Most people don't have a clue what the national debt is

and how devastating it would be to the WORLD economy if the US defaulted on its debt.

[Pluvious]

47. 26 percent of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth

And we are amazed so many want America to default on our debts...

SMFH

Ref:

According to a survey conducted by the National Science Foundation in 2012 and released in 2014, only 74 percent of Americans surveyed knew that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around(businessinsider.com)(npr.org). That means 26 percent of Americans think the sun revolves around the Earth(businessinsider.com)(livescience.com). This is surprising considering that Nicolaus Copernicus proved that the Earth orbits the sun about 500 years ago(businessinsider.com).

[housecat]

48. Well that explains it. One quarter of MAGATS are only 500 years behind the other 3/4.

I thought it was more though, because they seem to gravitate toward the medieval.

[Demsrule86]

37. I think we can avoid that with by using the 14th and some who were queried may have thought this

And if we win...then the debt ceiling travesty is over. That takes away a weapon from the GOP.

[getagrip_already]

42. true, but it lets them off the hook.....

They get to blame the dems for illegally grabbing power. They may even impeach biden for doing it.

They will impeach him regardless, but it would be a handy excuse.

It does get around default however, so it's probably the right thing to do in the end.

Of course they will shut down the gov't over budget demands. But there isn't much we can do about that right now.

[ShazzieB]

45. Yeah, that bothered me, too!

[AZ8theist]

57. I doubt it's black and white.

58% think it's irresponsible.

I would bet out of the remaining 42% a large portion would be "NO OPINION or I don't know"
Only the Trumptard rubes would be OK with a US default because they're too stupid to understand the consequences.

[Freethinker65]

9. And it also appears they have an audience of Trump supporters to point to.

American voters, do you really want to identify with this group of selected Trump supporters? These adoring fans are the only people Trump cares about impressing. Trump thrives off of their adoration that Trump can get away with anything he wants to. Supporters that condone bullying women and boasting about taking away their rights. Supporters that prefer the strong arming and use if it's citizens to fight an ugly war from afar of Putin, to the scrappy defend your country and its people or die trying Zelenskyy. Supporters gullible enough to try another insurrection thinking they will get pardons. Etc.

[applegrove]

13. It seemed to me the audience was the bar scene in Star Wars. I don't

think most Americans were impressed with the audience.

[Freethinker65]

14. Honestly, I did not watch the event

But from what I have read, the GOP/Trump friendly audience (cult?) approved of and liked what they were hearing.

Trump wanted to be seen and heard among his core voters and supporters. If I were watching from home undecided, that would have been unsettling to watch.

[applegrove]

22. I didn't see much either but from what I did see did remind me

of the short bit I saw on the news years ago where there was a televised gang bang of some willing woman on tv and the creeps in th audience were all waiting for their turn. They are not the majority of Americans in that Trump audience, but they are creeps.

[Tree Lady]

25. Republicans know that what you see matters

and seeing a lot of people cheering him, agreeing with him, they are hoping that will convince others he is okay.

[Silent Type]

15. Exactly. They looked as bad as trump.

[housecat]

30. Great visual! Thanks!

[applegrove]

34. It is Carl Bernstein's visual to describe the politicians and characters

around Trump.

[housecat]

68. lol I meant the visual of Star Wars bar scene. Where can I find the one you referred to?

[applegrove]

70. I mean Bernstein on CNN was the first to use the words "bar scene in Star Wars"

to describe those around Trump..

[housecat]

71. Well that makes perfect sense. Thanks!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

17. Team Biden has s bevy of attack ads to use in TIFG's own words.

Joe then can do rallies and town halls extolling what he and the Democrats have done for the country.

This is a CHOICE election.

[CanonRay]

18. The Dem ads practically write themselves.

[question everything]

20. And did he also repeat that "stars" do sexually assault women?

[Bev54]

26. How is it 80% consider Putin a war criminal but only 67% want Ukraine to prevail?

[Effete Snob]

64. Because 17% are okay with Putin being a war criminal

You say "war criminal" like it's a bad thing.

[liberalla]

28. Excellent! Of course, that is through-the-roof good news!

[ificandream]

31. I can't wait to see how they use this treasure chest TFG gave them.

[Mad_Machine76]

38. Maybe it will, maybe it won't matter

but him basically trying to justify his "fortunate or unfortunate" SA of E. Jean Carroll has got to turn off at least a few voters.

[Mosby]

40. This video is exactly what the RW want to hear.

Link to tweet

Framing his comments the way we like doesn't help.

[Buns_of_Fire]

46. Well and good. But now they have to *use* the clips.

Or, as was pointed out in Dr. Strangelove, "What good is a doomsday device if nobody knows you have one?"

[Caliman73]

49. Biden's team shouldn't be "giddy"...

We know that Trump is a disaster. That has never really been a secret.


Many of those issues aren't what people vote about. They primarily vote about how they "feel" about the economy and the "direction" of the country. Granted that Trump can be his own worst enemy. He is simply a stupid and arrogant man. The problem is that the election is a "numbers" game. Trump has to motivate enough Republicans so that they can cheat their way in, with the states the GOP controls being able to significantly put their thumbs on the scale. President Biden also has to motivate people to get out and vote. There may be a bump of Democratic voters coming out to make sure the disaster that is Trump, does not get near the White House again, but that is not a given, especially if the economy starts heading south. Between holding one chamber of Congress and holding the other AND the Presidency, it is not a given that the Republicans will be blamed for a poor economy, even if their behavior with the debt ceiling and policies in general would absolutely be the cause of the down turn.

[Effete Snob]

65. Every one of them, to a person, hit a 7.7 on the Giddometer

Either that, or the author is conveying an impression from a single source.

[Caliman73]

66. Doesn't matter whether one or all, or none.

Point is, they should not be.

This is nothing that hasn't been seen of Trump in the past. People keep thinking that he will hit some magical mark that will "be his doom".

I don't think that Trump will or can win another national election. He is too polarizing, but I am not kicking up my feet and relaxing about my thought. I will continue to talk to people, argue, volunteer, donate, etc... to do my part to ensure that he has no chance.

Trump is an idiot and we should all feel a little thankful that he is. The scary part, and what we should be aware of is that a not insignificant portion of Americans are just as big of idiots and cruel, and Trump still serves some purpose to the wealthy and powerful in this country and they would rather support him to maintain their power, than to allow actual progressives to gain a foothold in government and actually start working for the interests of the majority of non-wealthy people, because is would come at a very minor inconvenience to those wealthy people.

This is not "politics as usual" or the same political situation as the 80's, 90's, or even 2000's. We are trying to stave off the rise of fascism here. No one should be giddy. Even when Trump is swept into the dustbin of history, people should not be giddy.

Once Fascism AND Conservatism have been thoroughly discredited and everyone is embarrassed for having believed it was a viable worldview, then we can all celebrate.

[peggysue2]

50. I wouldn't get too giddy

Because we've been here before during a disastrous 2016 election, and then a ridiculous but damaging contested election and subsequent attempted coup.

Who would have thunk it?

I do believe Joe Biden has the advantage as a successful incumbent, but that doesn't mean Republicans and Trumpers won't try every trick in the book to corrupt, twist and/or steal the 2024 election, anything and everything to win. In addition, we have the No Labels con, the supposedly middle-of-the-road 3rd party hat trick and Steve Bannon's hand-picked spoiler in Robert Kennedy, Jr. Not that I think Kennedy has a chance during the primary but anything Bannon is attached to is a genuine ratf*ck.

And then, there are the unknowables. Trump has a much better team this time out, the sort of professional campaign people who can load up on lipstick on the pig applications and actual election strategies. Unpredictable world and domestic events can easily turn elections upside down.

Despite all that, I expect Joe Biden to be the clear winner in 2024. But no one should think this will be a cakewalk. More a nasty, ugly slog to the finish. Though I didn't watch last night's townhall/rally on CNN, I've read enough about it to know Trump did himself no favors. Except with the MAGA diehards for whom nothing is too low or cruel or indecent.

I imagine the Biden team can indeed envision all the useful ad material that Trump freely provided last night. Makes sense; the ads write themselves. But I think we need to tamp down any giddiness until we win this thing. And win it bigger than last time out. Because this craven circus needs to be flattened, along with its demented, vindictive ringmaster.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

52. I love this new Biden ad

Link to tweet

[Act_of_Reparation]

53. Remember when did all the same shit in 2016 and then won?

Whacky fun.

[Ferrets are Cool]

55. The alarming number there is that 42% think that the U.S. should default on it's debt.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

60. Those 42% have no idea how much they will be HURT.

By a default.

They had best be prepared to turn in their arsenal of guns for money in order to pay their bills. We and the world will be hurting big time.

The Great Depression 2.0 on steroids.

[housecat]

69. The 42% have no idea about anything real. If 26% think the sun revolves around the earth then

we're in more trouble than we thought.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

59. Not only Team Biden, but Fanni Willis, DA Bragg, and SC Jack Smith.

Their cases against TIFG just got stronger.

There c will be a LOT OF HEAT this summer.

[Blue Owl]

62. Dump never could and never will be able to shut his fat yap -- not a bad thing to exploit

[Laura PourMeADrink]

63. Yes didn't say Ukraine or Russia. What he did say

was whatever stops the killing. This is a super super simple idea. That 100% of the people understand and want. It's like stop this travesty! YOU in leadership figure it out!!!

The thing is that the only way to do that is to have Ukraine give up part of Ukraine. They won't ever do that. How could trump make them?

It would have to be something else... Some other great thing that Russia wants. Bag of worms there.

So no, absolutely positively not! could trump stop the carnage in what'd he say? 24 hrs?

[Stuart G]

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