Fri May 12, 2023, 04:26 PM

Tomconroy (7,107 posts)

Report today on the northern flank of Bakhmut:

Link to tweet

It's unlikely that this is the counter-offensive. More likely Ukraine AF taking advantages of local opportunities.
More rumors are flying, but Russia itself confirmed it has retreated behind the Berkhivka reservoir.pictured on the map.

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Report today on the northern flank of Bakhmut: (Original post)	Tomconroy	May 2023	OP
Russia still dug in at Zaporizhzhia and other areas.......................	Lovie777	May 2023	#1
I do think this is the appetizer to the offensive. The Ukrainians said before it would not all	Bev54	May 2023	#3
I saw a report that some German Leopard tanks were seen near Bahkmut	TheRealNorth	May 2023	#6
Yes we have seen Leopard tanks and some Dutch tanks, seem to be new but they try not to	Bev54	May 2023	#7
Russian troops fall back to 'defensive positions' near Bakhmut	muriel_volestrangler	May 2023	#2
Firstly I don't believe a word out of the Russian defense ministry and since that few kilometres	Bev54	May 2023	#4
Stalemate. That's all it's been for months and will be for months more.	Alexander Of Assyria	May 2023	#5
Time to bonk some Tankies.	Tomconroy	May 2023	#8
Stalemate, then there will be renegotiations and then there will be another uneasy peace.	Alexander Of Assyria	May 2023	#9
Clearly it's time for US airpower to start playing a part..	Tomconroy	May 2023	#10
World War 3, no. Crystal clearly, unless it's ok when the nukes fall on America?	Alexander Of Assyria	May 2023	#11
Lol. The allies keep fighting Russian colonialism by giving Ukraine more weapons	Tomconroy	May 2023	#13
Suit up, Lance Corporal MousePad.	WarGamer	May 2023	#18
Duck and cover works on nukes, so we were told...whats the modern duck and cover?	Alexander Of Assyria	May 2023	#19
And if China gets involved on Russia's side,	MarineCombatEngineer	May 2023	#15
That's Putin's propaganda line: threatening us with nukes. Please dont YOU threaten us with nukes	Bernardo de La Paz	May 2023	#24
Worst idea ever.	WarGamer	May 2023	#17
Nope. That's what Putin wants, to reinforce his "existential war" subtheme	Bernardo de La Paz	May 2023	#23
Yes, hasten it. Russia should fucking withdraw	Sky Jewels	May 2023	#12
Exactly right. . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	May 2023	#22
"Hasten it"? You are advocating capitulation to despotic tyranny. NO. . . . .nt	Bernardo de La Paz	May 2023	#21
Right on cue.	MarineCombatEngineer	May 2023	#16
Nope. You mistake preparations for weakness. You forget Ukr quickly took back a lot when they rolled	Bernardo de La Paz	May 2023	#20
Outstanding	lpbk2713	May 2023	#14

Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2023, 04:40 PM

Lovie777 (9,902 posts)

1. Russia still dug in at Zaporizhzhia and other areas.......................

but Bakhmut after months upon months of heavy fighting with losses on both sides, Ukraine finally has a opening.

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Response to Lovie777 (Reply #1)

Fri May 12, 2023, 04:58 PM

Bev54 (9,109 posts)

3. I do think this is the appetizer to the offensive. The Ukrainians said before it would not all

happen at once but will go in stages and it seems they are at the stage just before the all out offensive. With the new UK long range missiles they are within range of the bridge over Kersh. This should scare the hell out of Russia.

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #3)

Fri May 12, 2023, 05:52 PM

TheRealNorth (8,943 posts)

6. I saw a report that some German Leopard tanks were seen near Bahkmut

Could be misinformation to mislead the Russians, but that could se said about pretty much any report.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #6)

Fri May 12, 2023, 06:25 PM

Bev54 (9,109 posts)

7. Yes we have seen Leopard tanks and some Dutch tanks, seem to be new but they try not to

give us their positions until a few days later.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2023, 04:45 PM

muriel_volestrangler (100,075 posts)

2. Russian troops fall back to 'defensive positions' near Bakhmut

Russia’s defence ministry has said some of its troops have fallen back “to more advantageous defensive positions” near a reservoir north-west of the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine.

The statement on Friday was the first admission by Moscow that Ukraine was successfully recapturing ground around Bakhmut, a largely destroyed city with a pre-war population of about 70,000 that Russia has been trying to conquer for more than 10 months.

The Russian defence statement came hours after Kyiv said that its forces had advanced by about 2km (1.2 miles) around Bakhmut this week.

Hanna Maliar, Ukraine’s deputy defence minister, said on Friday: “The enemy suffered great losses of manpower. Our defenders advanced 2km in the Bakhmut sector. We did not lose a single position in Bakhmut this week.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/12/russian-troops-defensive-positions-near-bakhmut-moscow-statement-ukraine

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #2)

Fri May 12, 2023, 05:00 PM

Bev54 (9,109 posts)

4. Firstly I don't believe a word out of the Russian defense ministry and since that few kilometres

the Ukrainians have advanced much further on the southern flank with little to no resistance because the Russian soldiers have disappeared and left Wagner forces in the city of Bakhmut in big trouble.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Fri May 12, 2023, 05:01 PM

Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)

5. Stalemate. That's all it's been for months and will be for months more.

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #5)

Fri May 12, 2023, 06:38 PM

Tomconroy (7,107 posts)

8. Time to bonk some Tankies.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #8)

Sat May 13, 2023, 08:02 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)

9. Stalemate, then there will be renegotiations and then there will be another uneasy peace.

Putin gets little, Ukraine gets little and still the dead are dead.

Hasten it all!

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #9)

Sun May 14, 2023, 09:48 AM

Tomconroy (7,107 posts)

10. Clearly it's time for US airpower to start playing a part..

Start preparing boots on the ground.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #10)

Sun May 14, 2023, 06:17 PM

Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)

11. World War 3, no. Crystal clearly, unless it's ok when the nukes fall on America?

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #11)

Sun May 14, 2023, 06:31 PM

Tomconroy (7,107 posts)

13. Lol. The allies keep fighting Russian colonialism by giving Ukraine more weapons

And the tankies keep predicting putler gonna go nuclear. And it never happens. Not then. Not now. Not ever.
Putler's too much of a physical coward to risk his worthless hide.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #13)

Sun May 14, 2023, 07:45 PM

WarGamer (9,941 posts)

18. Suit up, Lance Corporal MousePad.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #18)

Mon May 15, 2023, 08:35 AM

Alexander Of Assyria (7,578 posts)

19. Duck and cover works on nukes, so we were told...whats the modern duck and cover?

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #11)

Sun May 14, 2023, 07:15 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)

15. And if China gets involved on Russia's side,

no doubt you will be the first one defending China.

AmIRight?

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #11)

Mon May 15, 2023, 09:20 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,732 posts)

24. That's Putin's propaganda line: threatening us with nukes. Please dont YOU threaten us with nukes

Don't you threaten us with nukes unless we force Ukraine to knuckle under the ruzzian boot.

You wouldn't tell Americans to surrender, so don't threaten us with nuclear war and Putin's propaganda to get Ukraine to do what you wouldn't do in the same situation.

Please don't get weak in the knees about freedom from tyrants.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #10)

Sun May 14, 2023, 07:44 PM

WarGamer (9,941 posts)

17. Worst idea ever.

Right up there with putting a paperclip into an electrical socket.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #10)

Mon May 15, 2023, 09:17 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,732 posts)

23. Nope. That's what Putin wants, to reinforce his "existential war" subtheme

He is able to run a very hot war while hoodwinking the ruzzian federation's population into thinking it is all under control, but at the same time he is laying groundwork to push-pull his population into an all-out existential war if he gets excuses by Western behaviour.

Don't give him the excuse of US boots on the ground.

Haven't you had enough quagmires in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan?

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #9)

Sun May 14, 2023, 06:27 PM

Sky Jewels (5,827 posts)

12. Yes, hasten it. Russia should fucking withdraw

from all of Ukraine right now.

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Response to Sky Jewels (Reply #12)

Mon May 15, 2023, 09:12 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,732 posts)

22. Exactly right. . . . nt

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #9)

Mon May 15, 2023, 09:12 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,732 posts)

21. "Hasten it"? You are advocating capitulation to despotic tyranny. NO. . . . .nt

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #5)

Sun May 14, 2023, 07:16 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (10,934 posts)

16. Right on cue.

You don't disappoint.

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Response to Alexander Of Assyria (Reply #5)

Mon May 15, 2023, 09:10 AM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,732 posts)

20. Nope. You mistake preparations for weakness. You forget Ukr quickly took back a lot when they rolled

Ukraine took back a lot of territory in the northeast when they rolled out last year.

Ukraine has been blocking at Bahkmut; that's not a stalemate, it was a strategic holding pattern while Ukraine got much stronger. Russia has in the interim gotten weaker.

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Response to Tomconroy (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2023, 06:55 PM

lpbk2713 (42,332 posts)

14. Outstanding

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