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spooky3
(38,186 posts)Just a reminder that nine days after he was confirmed, Neil Gorsuch sold a 40 acre property to the head of one of the nations largest law firms, which has since had at least 22 cases before the Supreme Court.
Gorsuch never disclosed the buyer.
SCOTUS needs a code of ethics.
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demigoddess
(6,675 posts)Wonder Why
(6,450 posts)Layzeebeaver
(2,149 posts)it's not their job to establish their own ethics review - they MUST say that they will not adjudicate their own ethics and that they in conjunction with that statement, clarify their own understanding of existing scotus ethics. whether their individual members follow them is up for investigation and interpretation.
Its up to congress to pass strong constitutionally sound legislation that installs a new regime of ethics control over the court.
I think this was a perfunctory and administrative decision and opinion.
bronxiteforever
(11,021 posts)With notable exceptions of course.
BOSSHOG
(44,348 posts)Trapped in that hell hole of lies and bribery.
bronxiteforever
(11,021 posts)aggiesal
(10,493 posts)
Layzeebeaver
(2,149 posts)BOSSHOG
(44,348 posts)Freedom and Democracy versus avarice bolstered by blind ignorant acceptance.
And a lil lagniappe* Neil Gorsuchs mother was an absolute horrid failure as EPA Administrator under reagan. Imagine a conservative trying to protect the environment. Imagine her son trying to uphold the constitution.
Lagniappe, pronounced lan-yap. A little something extra in Nawlins. Like an extra shrimp or two. Just a little sweetness while we discuss the cesspool that is todays gop.
MiniMe
(21,872 posts)How can I make money on whatever the issue is
genxlib
(6,056 posts)Any person that is realistically qualified to pass judgement for hundreds of millions of people should have a personal code of ethics strong enough to avoid these kinds of issues.
Yet here we are.
Layzeebeaver
(2,149 posts)Its GOVERNMENT. that means governing and GOVERNANCE.
Governance IS oversight.
Ethics requires oversight - otherwise everyone can do unethical things without anyone knowing.
Just because we put someone on the SCOTUS when we think that are a good egg, doesn't mean that egg will not spoil 20 years from now.
soldierant
(9,216 posts)Gorsuch is the best (or at least the least awful.)
Because he has a soft apot for Native Aericans.
While it was still 5-4, he was the swing vote favoring Native America rights in more than one case. He has continued to vote for Native American rights now that it no longer makes a difference.
Maybe he is just the only Reepublicanjustice who understands what a treaty is. But if it could become 9-1, he is actually the one I'd prefer to keep (but I'd make him disclose that crap.)
NBachers
(19,107 posts)Layzeebeaver
(2,149 posts)nice!
Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)They've all proven to be unethical and their rulings do not "Promote the General Welfare", unless you are referring to their bank accounts.
They are proven to be institution wreckers, they don't respect the Court, the people or the Constitution.
A spouse was literally trying to overthrow the Government!
Their time on the Court should be ignored.
Pepsidog
(6,353 posts)once sold a Palm Beach property for $40 million or so more than he purchased it for in a down market to a Russian Oligarch. There is a rich history and tradition of SCOTUS dirty dealing by Republican scum appointees.
Gary 50
(477 posts)Yeah, we are corrupt as hell, what are you going to do about it? Fuck you, Ha ha ha.
JHB
(37,881 posts)Granted, with "several dozen" chipping a ten-spot each, the gift basket and stuff would have added up to a couple of hundred dollars (on their website, gift packages from Russ & Daughters range from $160 to $485; high-end stuff), but it's still not anywhere near the "gifts" the conservatives have accepted. But Kagan stressed over it and turned them down.
https://forward.com/fast-forward/546201/elena-kagan-clarence-thomas-bagels-and-lox/
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Schulman, a novelist, playwright, gay activist and historian, was one of several dozen Hunter alumnae who chipped in $10 apiece toward the proposed order which also was meant to include babka. (I was never sending a Russ and Daughters gift basket without the babka! Starer said.) A few women also sent personal tchotchkes to pass along to Kagan, Starer said including a bag of chocolates and a handmade work of crochet. The linguist Deborah Tannen, who graduated from Hunter in 1962, sent an autographed copy of her memoir.
Before shipping anything, though, Starer got in touch with Kagan because she didnt want to send it without having her OK. Once Kagan expressed concerns that the gifts might pose issues under the Supreme Courts rules on gifts and disclosures, Starer decided against following through with the package. The money and tchotchkes were returned to the contributors.
It was creating more stress for her than it was worth, Starer said. Although Kagan was incredibly touched, she was definitely not comfortable with it. Elena was always a very solid, trustworthy person, Schulman, a professor at Northwestern University, said by phone. She was the president of student government at Hunter, and just a very normal Jewish girl from Manhattan. And we were all very proud of her, but very concerned about her having to be on the front lines with these scoundrels. We thought it would be a sign of support to send her some lox, but she was too ethical to take the lox.
Russ & Daughters' gift page:
https://russanddaughters.goldbelly.com/categories/gifts-and-easy-ordering
KPN
(17,092 posts)to fix the Supreme Court sooner than later. Later will likely be too late. The court has become radically corrupted. Radical conditions require uncommon, new and maybe even radical responses to mitigate them.
Farmer-Rick
(12,351 posts)They are acting out like children.
The US Constitution has a fix for this. Congress should be managing the court. The justices can only keep their jobs on good behavior. This is not good behavior by anyone's standards.
carpetbagger
(5,401 posts)All the precedent of the court, including any ruling where Thomas was in the majority, should not be respected by future courts.
This should be the mantra in law schools, in legal circles, and it should be shouted from the rooftops for the next 20 years until it becomes so.
There's lots of stuff we can't do. Impeach and remove, expand the court, pass amendments.
There are things we can do, like laying the groundwork for a generation of jurists who will take the Roberts court rulings as bought and paid for.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)liberalla
(10,751 posts)questionable ethics and outright corruption for these R pukes.
Aussie105
(7,496 posts)A SCOTUS without a well defined code of ethics shouldn't exist.
A SCOTUS without a supervisory body shouldn't exist.
A SCOTUS without any of that is just a bunch of entitled old people freeloading any way they can.
Whoever set up the concept of a Supreme court originally assumed a lot. And that was naive in the extreme, to be polite.
Can we have a 'do-over' on the SCOTUS concept and implementation please?