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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Fri May 12, 2023, 08:10 PM May 2023

@NormOrnstein: After the property had been on the market for two years and miraculously sold















( I'm sure it's just a coincidence. )
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@NormOrnstein: After the property had been on the market for two years and miraculously sold (Original Post) BeckyDem May 2023 OP
Robert Reich's tweet describing Gorsuch's transaction spooky3 May 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Tetrachloride May 2023 #2
SCOTUS needs a code of ETHICS! demigoddess May 2023 #3
Remember, the Court voted 9-0 not to pursue that. What happened to our liberal members? Wonder Why May 2023 #16
the court would naturally make that judgement. You might be misunderstanding... Layzeebeaver May 2023 #18
The Roberts' Supreme Court is a cesspool of corruption. bronxiteforever May 2023 #4
God Bless our three angels BOSSHOG May 2023 #7
+1 absolutely bronxiteforever May 2023 #13
SCOTUS For Sale aggiesal May 2023 #5
see my post #18 Layzeebeaver May 2023 #20
Conservative "Values" encapsulated BOSSHOG May 2023 #6
GOP Thoughts MiniMe May 2023 #12
SCOTUS shouldn't need a code of ethics genxlib May 2023 #8
You are completely incorrect. Layzeebeaver May 2023 #21
And, of all the Trump** nominees, soldierant May 2023 #9
As the decaying stench of Moscow Mitch reeks off the rotting hide of the supreme court. NBachers May 2023 #10
Poetry. That was poetry... Layzeebeaver May 2023 #22
Ignore the Court, until Roberts, Gorsuch, Coney-barrett, and Kavanaugh resign. Bluethroughu May 2023 #11
The Supreme Coury has a "History and Tradition" of corruption. Trump appointees mirror him. Trump Pepsidog May 2023 #14
Here is their code of ethics... Gary 50 May 2023 #15
Whereas Elena Kagan would not accept a gift basket of bagels from old classmates JHB May 2023 #17
Holy shit! They're all for sale! Some action needs to be taken KPN May 2023 #19
They need adult supervision Farmer-Rick May 2023 #23
Time to deny them stare decisis. carpetbagger May 2023 #24
Was the property resold? LiberalFighter May 2023 #25
Well this Gorsuch deal is a new one to me... (not the last, I'm sure). It's a bottomless pit of liberalla May 2023 #26
A SCOTUS operating without a code of ethics shouldn't exist. Aussie105 May 2023 #27

spooky3

(38,186 posts)
1. Robert Reich's tweet describing Gorsuch's transaction
Fri May 12, 2023, 08:12 PM
May 2023

“Just a reminder that nine days after he was confirmed, Neil Gorsuch sold a 40 acre property to the head of one of the nation’s largest law firms, which has since had at least 22 cases before the Supreme Court.

Gorsuch never disclosed the buyer.

SCOTUS needs a code of ethics.“

Response to BeckyDem (Original post)

Layzeebeaver

(2,149 posts)
18. the court would naturally make that judgement. You might be misunderstanding...
Sat May 13, 2023, 12:47 PM
May 2023

it's not their job to establish their own ethics review - they MUST say that they will not adjudicate their own ethics and that they in conjunction with that statement, clarify their own understanding of existing scotus ethics. whether their individual members follow them is up for investigation and interpretation.

Its up to congress to pass strong constitutionally sound legislation that installs a new regime of ethics control over the court.

I think this was a perfunctory and administrative decision and opinion.

BOSSHOG

(44,348 posts)
6. Conservative "Values" encapsulated
Fri May 12, 2023, 09:13 PM
May 2023

Freedom and Democracy versus avarice bolstered by blind ignorant acceptance.

And a lil lagniappe* Neil Gorsuchs mother was an absolute horrid failure as EPA Administrator under reagan. Imagine a conservative trying to protect the environment. Imagine her son trying to uphold the constitution.

Lagniappe, pronounced lan-yap. A little something extra in Nawlins. Like an extra shrimp or two. Just a little sweetness while we discuss the cesspool that is todays gop.

genxlib

(6,056 posts)
8. SCOTUS shouldn't need a code of ethics
Fri May 12, 2023, 09:55 PM
May 2023

Any person that is realistically qualified to pass judgement for hundreds of millions of people should have a personal code of ethics strong enough to avoid these kinds of issues.

Yet here we are.

Layzeebeaver

(2,149 posts)
21. You are completely incorrect.
Sat May 13, 2023, 12:52 PM
May 2023

Its GOVERNMENT. that means governing and GOVERNANCE.

Governance IS oversight.

Ethics requires oversight - otherwise everyone can do unethical things without anyone knowing.

Just because we put someone on the SCOTUS when we think that are a good egg, doesn't mean that egg will not spoil 20 years from now.

soldierant

(9,216 posts)
9. And, of all the Trump** nominees,
Fri May 12, 2023, 10:21 PM
May 2023

Gorsuch is the best (or at least the least awful.)

Because he has a soft apot for Native Aericans.

While it was still 5-4, he was the swing vote favoring Native America rights in more than one case. He has continued to vote for Native American rights now that it no longer makes a difference.

Maybe he is just the only Reepublicanjustice who understands what a treaty is. But if it could become 9-1, he is actually the one I'd prefer to keep (but I'd make him disclose that crap.)

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
11. Ignore the Court, until Roberts, Gorsuch, Coney-barrett, and Kavanaugh resign.
Fri May 12, 2023, 10:45 PM
May 2023

They've all proven to be unethical and their rulings do not "Promote the General Welfare", unless you are referring to their bank accounts.

They are proven to be institution wreckers, they don't respect the Court, the people or the Constitution.

A spouse was literally trying to overthrow the Government!

Their time on the Court should be ignored.

Pepsidog

(6,353 posts)
14. The Supreme Coury has a "History and Tradition" of corruption. Trump appointees mirror him. Trump
Sat May 13, 2023, 09:39 AM
May 2023

once sold a Palm Beach property for $40 million or so more than he purchased it for in a down market to a Russian Oligarch. There is a rich history and tradition of SCOTUS dirty dealing by Republican scum appointees.

Gary 50

(477 posts)
15. Here is their code of ethics...
Sat May 13, 2023, 11:13 AM
May 2023

Yeah, we are corrupt as hell, what are you going to do about it? Fuck you, Ha ha ha.

JHB

(37,881 posts)
17. Whereas Elena Kagan would not accept a gift basket of bagels from old classmates
Sat May 13, 2023, 12:25 PM
May 2023

Granted, with "several dozen" chipping a ten-spot each, the gift basket and stuff would have added up to a couple of hundred dollars (on their website, gift packages from Russ & Daughters range from $160 to $485; high-end stuff), but it's still not anywhere near the "gifts" the conservatives have accepted. But Kagan stressed over it and turned them down.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/546201/elena-kagan-clarence-thomas-bagels-and-lox/

A group of women who went to high school with Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan wanted to send her bagels and lox from Russ & Daughters, the legendary deli on the Lower East Side. But they scrapped the plan after Kagan expressed concerns about the court’s ethics rules for reporting gifts.
***

Schulman, a novelist, playwright, gay activist and historian, was one of several dozen Hunter alumnae who chipped in $10 apiece toward the proposed order — which also was meant to include babka. (“I was never sending a Russ and Daughters gift basket without the babka!” Starer said.) A few women also sent personal tchotchkes to pass along to Kagan, Starer said — including a bag of chocolates and a handmade work of crochet. The linguist Deborah Tannen, who graduated from Hunter in 1962, sent an autographed copy of her memoir.

Before shipping anything, though, Starer got in touch with Kagan because she “didn’t want to send it without having her OK.” Once Kagan expressed concerns that the gifts might pose issues under the Supreme Court’s rules on gifts and disclosures, Starer decided against following through with the package. The money and tchotchkes were returned to the contributors.

“It was creating more stress for her than it was worth,” Starer said. Although Kagan “was incredibly touched, she was definitely not comfortable with it.” “Elena was always a very solid, trustworthy person,” Schulman, a professor at Northwestern University, said by phone. “She was the president of student government at Hunter, and just a very normal Jewish girl from Manhattan. And we were all very proud of her, but very concerned about her having to be on the front lines with these scoundrels. We thought it would be a sign of support to send her some lox, but she was too ethical to take the lox.”


Russ & Daughters' gift page:
https://russanddaughters.goldbelly.com/categories/gifts-and-easy-ordering

KPN

(17,092 posts)
19. Holy shit! They're all for sale! Some action needs to be taken
Sat May 13, 2023, 12:48 PM
May 2023

to fix the Supreme Court sooner than later. Later will likely be too late. The court has become radically corrupted. Radical conditions require uncommon, new and maybe even radical responses to mitigate them.

Farmer-Rick

(12,351 posts)
23. They need adult supervision
Sat May 13, 2023, 01:21 PM
May 2023

They are acting out like children.

The US Constitution has a fix for this. Congress should be managing the court. The justices can only keep their jobs on good behavior. This is not good behavior by anyone's standards.

carpetbagger

(5,401 posts)
24. Time to deny them stare decisis.
Sat May 13, 2023, 02:29 PM
May 2023

All the precedent of the court, including any ruling where Thomas was in the majority, should not be respected by future courts.

This should be the mantra in law schools, in legal circles, and it should be shouted from the rooftops for the next 20 years until it becomes so.

There's lots of stuff we can't do. Impeach and remove, expand the court, pass amendments.

There are things we can do, like laying the groundwork for a generation of jurists who will take the Roberts court rulings as bought and paid for.

liberalla

(10,751 posts)
26. Well this Gorsuch deal is a new one to me... (not the last, I'm sure). It's a bottomless pit of
Sat May 13, 2023, 05:49 PM
May 2023

questionable ethics and outright corruption for these R pukes.


Aussie105

(7,496 posts)
27. A SCOTUS operating without a code of ethics shouldn't exist.
Sat May 13, 2023, 06:21 PM
May 2023

A SCOTUS without a well defined code of ethics shouldn't exist.

A SCOTUS without a supervisory body shouldn't exist.

A SCOTUS without any of that is just a bunch of entitled old people freeloading any way they can.

Whoever set up the concept of a Supreme court originally assumed a lot. And that was naive in the extreme, to be polite.

Can we have a 'do-over' on the SCOTUS concept and implementation please?

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