defense fund for Jordan Neely's killer tops $300,000

[Ex Lurker]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lawyers-for-daniel-penny-the-man-who-placed-jordan-neely-in-a-fatal-chokehold-have-raised-more-than-300-000-for-the-former-marine-on-a-christian-fundraising-website/ar-AA1b6SvF

More than $300,000 has already been raised in a legal defense fund for Daniel Penny, the former Marine who was captured on video placing Jordan Neely, a homeless New York City subway rider, in a fatal chokehold earlier this month.

Attorneys representing 24-year-old Penny set up the fundraiser on the Christian crowdfunding website GiveSendGo.

Donations for the fund continued to quickly pour in on Friday morning as Penny surrendered to authorities to face a charge of manslaughter in connection to Neely's death.

"Funds are being raised to pay Mr. Penny's legal fees incurred from any criminal charges filed and any future civil lawsuits that may arise, as well as expenses related to his defense," reads the donation page for Penny.

[LoisB]

1. Maybe he can call Rittenhouse for tips on crying.

[LonePirate]

2. The right will spend whatever amount of money is needed to protect racism.

[NowISeetheLight]

9. People Are Tired... and Afraid

I was talking to a neighbor at the dog park this morning. I mentioned I wanted to take a couple days and drive up to San Francisco for a mid-week trip. He started telling me how bad it was up there with the crime, homeless and feces in the streets and stuff.

Watching the news and seeing people pushed off subway platforms by the mentally ill (or whoever). I remember watching that Chicago news (WGN?) Channel on cable and seeing the endless crime stories. I remember loving Chicago for the museums and culture.

People are tired and afraid. They want to feel they can go out and not be a victim. A mentally ill person jumping on a subway and threatening people isn't acceptable. Sure, the system has failed, but I don't think a jury is going to convict him.

[taxi]

10. You do know that the dead guy was the victim, right?

[NotVeryImportant]

12. Let's see if you're an honest person...

What were the threats he made exactly.

You made a definitive statement that the victim, Jordan Neely, was "threatening people", please tell me what those threats were.

[stopdiggin]

19. the poster did not specify

Neely - so, not a definitive statement concerning that individual (just 'mentally ill'). AND, to go further - independent eye witness accounts have verified Neely's behavior as threatening.

[NotVeryImportant]

38. Meaning there's no there there, that's why they couldn't specify.

The facts, as currently released to the public is that, Nealy did nothing wrong, certainly committed no crime.

He was, in fact, a victim of a crime, a most heinous crime, the taking of his life by strangulation.

[stopdiggin]

42. no one wanted this individual dead

and in that I'll include the people that felt it reasonable and/or necessary to restrain him. But Neely was described as threatening in this incident - and further had a history of incidents and arrests, some of which included violence.

The city had him on a list of people needing intervention. To bad that didn't happen. Instead he ran into a set of individuals on the subway - that staged their own ad-hoc intervention. Unfortunate - both for Neely, and those that felt compelled to take such action. But just as unfortunate - and out of touch - are those that insist on having this some sort of cause celébrè. It just isn't.

[NotVeryImportant]

44. Why did the killer attack Neely from behind and strangled him to death?

The only crime committed that day was by the killer.

Cite one crime committed by Neely if there was one.

[stopdiggin]

46. look, friend, I'm just not going to debate this

with you any more. I've articulated an (I think) consistent point of view - that differs fairly significantly from yours. I don't think going over the same ground is going to move - either myself, or you. Peace - and out.

[NotVeryImportant]

48. There is no debate.

You cannot cite a single, solitary crime committed by Neely that day, because it didn't happen.

However, we all saw the killer Penny commit one on camera.

That is a fact.

Good day sir.

[ForgedCrank]

41. I don't

understand the need for so many to sugar coat this and insist that Neely was some sort of innocent bystander who was murdered in cold blood by a feral racist. Why can't we be 100% honest and stop trying to sterilize these things of the complete set of facts? Isn't that what honest people would do?
This was a very tragic incident all around, but the above narrative I put up is simply not what happened. Neely needed help, not death, I think we could all agree on that point. But he was mentally unstable, and was issuing dangerous threats to passengers, serious enough that 3 people got involved to physically restrain him, including 2 black men who saw the same threat. Their determination regarding the level of danger is even validated now that we know Neely had a history of violence and assaults.
We SHOULD be angry at the system and all it's failures to get this man the assistance he needed so this would have never happened.

And this is just a general statement, not directed toward you individually or at all. I'm just flabbergasted here sometimes how so many feel the need to create an alternate reality.

[NotVeryImportant]

43. Who did he threaten with violence?

What were the threats?

[ForgedCrank]

45. The other

passengers around him were threatened.
It's all in the eyewitness statements in the articles.

[NotVeryImportant]

49. So you're saying that Neely specifically threatened one or more of them. or

That, one or more of them, reported that they felt threatened?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. "People are tired and afraid. They want to feel they can go out and not be a victim."

Jordan Neely was tired and afraid and wanted to go out and not be a victim. Jordan Neely was a person.

[Sympthsical]

14. He didn't become a person until after he died

Before he died, there had been years of stories of mental illness, addiction, and violence on subway systems around the country. People sat on their hands. They did not care. An Asian women was thrown in front of a train and killed. Wasn't she a person?

Apparently not. People sat on their hands, said "That's too bad," and did not care.

People have been asking for policies to address these problems, and they instead get pseudo-spiritual gobbeldy-gook about how it's privilege and comfort for wanting something to be done about these things. And people sat on their hands and said, "Check yourself," and did not care.

And now these insincere tears, because the demographics are too irresistible not to exploit. An old woman was literally thrown in front of a train, and nothing. A sigh, a tut, and an admonishment that somehow people just had to live with that kind of environment, that it was somehow right and proper. Because the privileged needed to feel discomfort.

Here, we had a former San Francisco police commissioner lecturing people that the city is not the suburbs and that they should get used to being victims of crime. If only his sentiment were isolated. But it has been not. Before Jordan Neely's death, others took up that mantle and told people to get used to it. To live with it. To ignore it. Or else they were privileged and comfortable.

And these people think they're progressive in some way, that this degradation is acceptable, livable, inevitable, and should be spread rather than constrained.

And that is the problem when ideology becomes full of nonsensical pieties. It becomes dumb religion that will achieve and promote the opposite of its claims. Just as love becomes hate in some religions, concern with this useless ideological posture has grown to indifference and acceptance.

I will believe people think those who are hungry, disturbed, and ailing are people when they act before their deaths. Not after, during a ritualized display of crocodile tears.

Jordan Neely existed in the system for years and years. People spoke out about people like him for years and years. And yet people sat on their hands, told everyone it's just part of life, and did not care.

I do not believe they care now. That's the problem with the performative. Eventually, we've all seen the show.

[Ace Rothstein]

16. This should be a huge wake up call to the politicians who fail Neely and others on a daily basis.

Alas, they'll continue to sit on their hands and do nothing about this problem.

[stopdiggin]

17. +1. until Neely's demise

just another unfortunate 'obstacle' encountered on the way to work. Yes, his death was a loss (and a crime) - but so is the violence and victimization suffered by the public every day.

[Nevilledog]

3. It's over $700k now

[electric_blue68]

4. Geeeebz

[RealityBasedNewYorkr]

5. Simplistic rhetoric from those not riding New York City subways

Everybody needs to cool their jets who is calling this a racially motivated killing. Mentally disturbed homeless individuals in the subway are not being singled out for being poor or being minority. Neely was being aggressive and while of course nobody in the moment had the ability to psychically discern his 42 prior arrests and history of violence against the elderly, I can definitely understand Penny’s initial intervention in context. I have myself been in threatening situations with mentally disturbed individuals…some got physical, fortunately never to the extreme extent that ensued here. Neely WAS threatening other passengers (read the most recent interviews) and yes, the system failed him, and yes, the chokehold was excessive and the aftermath is for a jury to sort out. A case could be made that the screwed up healthcare system discriminates against the poor who are often minorities. … but Neely was no blameless martyr or victim of personalized racism here.

[taxi]

6. Some might say those opposed to prosecuting Penny are soft on crime,

especially in cities

[jimfields33]

7. Had no idea this was part of the story.

Thanks for the additional information.

[LuckyCharms]

15. One extra punch while claiming self-defense will get you prosecuted.

He fucking killed the guy. Neely was subdued, and and Penny went too far.

For fuck's sake, he murdered the guy.

Even if Neely was not blameless, he didn't deserve death.

Marines know how to defend, they know how to subdue, and they know how to kill. They also know how to control themselves in violent situations.

Penny knew he was killing Neely.

[stopdiggin]

18. "Penny knew he was killing Neely"

I would bet a huge amount of money - that you are dead wrong on that last. In fact - I don't think there's the slightest basis ...

[taxi]

20. And if that is the case, if Penny did not know the potential of death existed in his use of force,

then Penny is unable to understand the risks associated with the use and/or operation of many other devices - vehicles for example. In the Marine Corps he received instruction, counseling, and guidance in martial arts, hand to hand combat, and the use of holds. Despite that training he was unable to associate his use of those techniques with the potential for harm. For that reason, no matter the outcome of the charges he now faces, he should be banned for life from operating any devices, which when misused or mishandled, that present potential harm to others.

[stopdiggin]

21. gobblty-gook

"unable to associate his use of those techniques with the potential for harm"
"risks associated with the use and/or operation of many other devices - vehicles for example"

What?!
What utter nonsense. There is 'potential for harm' in virtually any and every confrontation. (people fall down and hit their heads, etc.) And yet confrontation (even to the point of physical) is sometimes viewed as the proper course. But, to contort that into something where he knew he was killing this man ... Frankly that's a load of BS. The much more simple (and plausible) explanation - is that this man was simply trying to restrain and subdue a perceived threat. If he intended harm - there are a hundred and one other ways of dishing it out. (as pointed to in his 'training' - although I wouldn't lean too heavily on that)

He screwed up. (and will probably pay some price for that) But to conflate ... "He was trying to kill" or "He knew he was killing" Not at all what the situation looks like. And that's why the charge is going to be some level of manslaughter - and they might have some trouble getting a jury to convict. (although, were I on said jury - chances are I'd vote 'yes')

[taxi]

22. I see.

He had no idea that it was possible to kill someone with a chokehold.

ETA- should he drive?

[stopdiggin]

23. probably had some

(vague) idea. But, at the same time, the very large majority of choke holds do not result in death. AND - putting somebody in a hold - is a long, long way from intending to kill, or harm.

"should he drive?" I don't know - is he legally blind?

[LuckyCharms]

25. A blood choke renders someone unconscious in less than 10 seconds.

An air choke will usually render someone unconscious in about a minute or less, but an air choke also carries with it the risk of death from a crushed trachea.

Reports of the amount of time Neely was held in the choke vary from 3 minutes to 15 minutes.

Either type of choke would have killed him if held for any length of time.

Marines know this. They are trained in this.

Purposely holding someone in any type of choke means certain death. Penny was not some random individual off the street who decided to choke out a person. He was trained in the types of chokes, and he knows exactly what the consequences of these chokes are.

[stopdiggin]

33. nonsense.

Again. Your assertion that Penny 'knew' he was killing this person - just doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny - nor common sense.

He screwed up. (and was obviously not nearly so well 'trained' as everyone is making out)

[LuckyCharms]

34. Oh.

[Mr.Bill]

30. I've seen many people, probably mentally ill

acting in strange and even threatening ways. Physically attacking them never crossed my mind.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. He literally placed Neely in "the recovery position" and then stood there like an idiot...

… while they guy he just choked out spammed his last movement.

He knew enough to choke, he knew enough to lock up the legs, and he damn well knows CPR (he’s a USMC NCO).

The recovery position is to help/make sure the person keeps breathing.

He could have restrained the arms or bear hugged the guy. He chose deadly force and killed the guy.

Manslaughter is the right charge.

[stopdiggin]

29. agreed. manslaughter is the right charge

killing without intent.

[Tickle]

8. I hope he shares with the two guys who helped him

I suspect they will get arrested at some point

[dalton99a]

11. Bernhard Goetz redux

[Hassin Bin Sober]

27. Goetz was probably being robbed and the people he shot were carrying sharpened screwdrivers.

They approached Goetz and asked/demanded? money.

[Zeitghost]

24. Perhaps

If the criminal justice system functioned in NYC and didn't let someone with a violent history and 40+ arrests roam the streets freely threatening and harassing people, he might still be alive.

[lpbk2713]

28. DeSantis proclaims his support for Penny. Says Soros is behind it.

“We must defeat the Soros-Funded DAs, stop the Left’s pro-criminal agenda, and take back the streets for law abiding citizens,” DeSantis wrote in a tweet with a fundraiser for Penny’s legal funds. “We stand with Good Samaritans like Daniel Penny. Let’s show this Marine… America’s got his back.”


Link: https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/desantis-supports-marine-accused-of-manslaughter-in-nyc-chokehold-death/

[Mr.Bill]

31. DeSantis probably thinks

Soros owns Disney World.

[WarGamer]

32. It's $1.2M now... on GiveSendGo

[Sam_Fields]

35. Penny won't personally receive any money for this.

His attorneys own the fund. The money will be for his criminal defense fees and any left over funds will go to mental health charity and programs in NYC.

[pinkstarburst]

36. I don't see this going very well for the prosecution

The sentiment in NYC is frustration about the violent attacks, feces and other issues the homeless and mentally ill population is bringing to the subway system. This is not George Floyd with a $20 counterfeit bill. This is a violent man with 42 prior arrests who was shouting at and menacing other passengers. I think you're going to have a hard time finding 12 people on a jury who are going to convict.

The real crime is that there are people like the deceased out on the street and New York (and every other state) do not have the mental health facilities to offer them inpatient care. 42 prior arrests. Of course something like this was going to eventually happen.

[NotVeryImportant]

39. You're literally admitting that no justice will be done.

However, that's no surprise as NYC has a sordid history of racist injustice.

Are you aware of the John White story...?

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/24/nyregion/24commute.html

[Ex Lurker]

37. Released on bond

https://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/daniel-penny-manslaughter-charge-jordan-neely-nyc-subway-ibi6u8vy

[KewlKat]

40. Looked at top donors, one for $10K from Vivek Ramaswamy (repub)

an American entrepreneur and politician. He is a candidate in the 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries.

Surprised anyone?

[WarGamer]

47. $2.4M now...