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Bill Nye tours the Ark Encounter. "is this the best use of $100 million" ( from 2017) (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd May 2023 OP
Ken Ham is a nutcase. I was super impressed how Bill Nye made him look stupid. Ziggysmom May 2023 #1
What irks me is that this ridiculous theme park was subsidized by taxpayers. trusty elf May 2023 #2
If Bill Nye were a lawyer... Baitball Blogger May 2023 #3
+1 Emile May 2023 #4
K&R UTUSN May 2023 #5
FYI: this is a video from 2017. brooklynite May 2023 #6
Yesterday's News Today on DU. Liberal In Texas May 2023 #7
So? I'm betting that less than 5% of DUers knew that. MineralMan May 2023 #8
It should be indicated in the OP how old it is Liberal In Texas May 2023 #9
Poster found it on Reddit, with a current date. MineralMan May 2023 #10
I'm happy I saw it today. TheBlackAdder May 2023 #11
Thanks. MineralMan May 2023 #12
Apparently. I don't find the date on the Reddit post. It says 1 day ago. Liberal In Texas May 2023 #13
And it's somehow your job to police that? MineralMan May 2023 #14
Pointing something out is hardly "policing." Liberal In Texas May 2023 #16
Lighten up, Francis Ishoutandscream2 May 2023 #17
Generally, I only do that in defense of others, like in this case. MineralMan May 2023 #19
I know what your name is Ishoutandscream2 May 2023 #21
That's interesting, since I don't recall discussing anything with you MineralMan May 2023 #24
Same screen name. The drug forum from a few years ago. Ishoutandscream2 May 2023 #25
Again, what drug forum? MineralMan May 2023 #26
i didnt know it was old..sorry BlueWaveNeverEnd May 2023 #18
You needn't apologize for posting a video you found on Reddit. MineralMan May 2023 #20
Easy answer to that question: NOOOOOOO!!! Initech May 2023 #15
I know a guy who went to this... Takket May 2023 #22
The evangelical web sites happily post clips from this video to show how Bill Nye is an idiot. hunter May 2023 #23
If someone wants to build a theme park... Xolodno May 2023 #27
That's pretty cold of you to say... MineralMan May 2023 #28

Ziggysmom

(4,123 posts)
1. Ken Ham is a nutcase. I was super impressed how Bill Nye made him look stupid.
Mon May 15, 2023, 05:05 AM
May 2023

Ham fleeced the city of Williamstown KY big time.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
8. So? I'm betting that less than 5% of DUers knew that.
Mon May 15, 2023, 10:27 AM
May 2023

I knew it, but it's still interesting, isn't it? I don't think it was presented as news, actually.

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
9. It should be indicated in the OP how old it is
Mon May 15, 2023, 11:34 AM
May 2023

especially when it's this old.

This isn't the only thing like this that has been posted that was from last month or last year or a couple of years ago. Having to wade through some link to discover that this was relevant in 2020 or whatever shouldn't be the duty of the person reading the post, it should be the duty of the poster to make clear what and when the post was. Being "interesting" is irrelevant.



MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
12. Thanks.
Mon May 15, 2023, 04:42 PM
May 2023

Any time Ken Ham is shown for the moron he is is a good thing. I saw that at the time it first appeared. Most people did not.

An innocent mistake by the poster. Not worth castigated him, at all.

Liberal In Texas

(16,270 posts)
13. Apparently. I don't find the date on the Reddit post. It says 1 day ago.
Mon May 15, 2023, 05:06 PM
May 2023

Besides it should be in the OP since it was years old. You shouldn't have to click on the external link to get this information.

There's a lot of lazy posting on DU including posts that have confusing and sometimes quite obvious typos that never get corrected.



Ishoutandscream2

(6,783 posts)
17. Lighten up, Francis
Mon May 15, 2023, 06:46 PM
May 2023

I’ve noticed several times your lecturing on what people post. Pot - kettle.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
19. Generally, I only do that in defense of others, like in this case.
Tue May 16, 2023, 10:12 AM
May 2023

Just below, the OP explains that he didn't know the date of the video. That's an easy mistake to make if you watch a YouTube video on a discussion forum. The date doesn't show up in that case.

Bottom line, though, is that it doesn't matter enough to call the guy out for posting the video. Nobody on DU is required to read any post or watch any video posted here. Instead, you have to go out of your way to criticize someone for posting it.

Finally, my name is not Francis. But, hey, thanks for the reply to my post, which wasn't directed at you in the first place. I appreciate the time it took you. Really.

Ishoutandscream2

(6,783 posts)
21. I know what your name is
Tue May 16, 2023, 12:44 PM
May 2023

and I remember a while back how you talked to me in one of these chats. And, I remember a time when you made fun of a southern accent. I'm not a southerner, but a proud Texan. I'm sure the minute you heard me open my mouth, you would have made up your mind about me when my so-called Texas drawl came out. Nevertheless, you are not the nice, friendly, all-knowing guy you make yourself out to be. I came here in 2002 as Ishoutandscream, and changed to Ishoutandscream2 a couple of years later. I mostly lurk to look at news stories here. I posted a serious question a few years back on the drug forum, and you belittled it and made fun of it throughout, and I felt bullied and didn't post for quite a while.

I guarantee there are others here who feel, that, too. Especially from folks like you. It's like high school all over again, and the "cool kids" control the narrative and act rudely to those who don't post much. No, you're not the great guy people here think you are. Just remember that.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
24. That's interesting, since I don't recall discussing anything with you
Tue May 16, 2023, 04:08 PM
May 2023

here. So, I did a site search for my screen name and yours. That search found only five threads where we were even in the same thread. None of those contained anything like what you are saying I did. So, I'm sort of at a loss to know what you are talking about. I don't remember ever posting in a "drug forum" here, either. In fact, I can't even find a "drug forum" on DU.

So, maybe you can give me a link or two to one of those instances. I will go look at them, if you do. I've made quite a few posts and replies on DU, so I can't remember all of the threads I've posted in. But, I can't find any that match what you are saying.

I have posted negatively a few times about my own experiences in Texas. Those and the current political realities of Texas make me less than happy with that state. A majority of voters there have elected people like Ted Cruz and Governor Abbott. So, I'm disinclined to think positively about Texas, even though I have no doubt that there are good people there. I don't know any of those people, though.

So, you have made some statements about me. I'd welcome having a chance to go and see what you're talking about. I have only been here since 2008, so I would have missed your posts with your previous screen name.

Ishoutandscream2

(6,783 posts)
25. Same screen name. The drug forum from a few years ago.
Tue May 16, 2023, 04:19 PM
May 2023

And the southern drawl was from someone else's post a few years ago. Not asking you to love Texas, but to treat people from below the Mason-Dixon Line with a little more respect. Just because we are from that area doesn't mean we're all like our leaders. As a matter of fact, we have to fight or keep our mouths shut ALL THE DAMNED time. And please don't say to move. It can't work that way for everyone, even though I've been wanting to move to Oregon. But, family obligations.

There is no reason why I'd be lying to you. Your name stands out for the things I have mentioned. And as I also mentioned, it kept me from posting for a long time after the drug forum post. You made me feel stupid, and in turn, I felt bullied.

MineralMan

(151,268 posts)
26. Again, what drug forum?
Tue May 16, 2023, 04:23 PM
May 2023

I looked through the entire list of topic groups. None are called the "Drug Forum" or anything similar. Give me a link, if you can, and I'll go look at the thread you're talking about. As of right now, I can only find five threads where we interacted at all, and none of them are anything like that.

You may be confusing me with someone else.

Takket

(23,715 posts)
22. I know a guy who went to this...
Tue May 16, 2023, 12:54 PM
May 2023

He was a vendor that worked on contract on my project. He was a controls engineer. Working on sophisticated and complex mechanical systems installing and programming controls. In short it was work it requires intelligence to do. And he did a great job of it.

So when I asked where he was going on vacation and this was the answer, my jaw almost dropped on the floor. Think I just said have a great time! Not for me to judge. But to this day I can’t believe how someone that smart blew his money on a nonsense brain dead attraction like this.

hunter

(40,689 posts)
23. The evangelical web sites happily post clips from this video to show how Bill Nye is an idiot.
Tue May 16, 2023, 02:28 PM
May 2023
Bill Nye thinks humans are animals! Can you imagine that? How does he not know we are created in God's image? He should read the Bible!

These people truly believe Ken Ham DESTROYED Bill Nye's arguments.

I learned a long time ago it's useless to argue with people like this.

I'm an evolutionary biologist by natural inclination and some formal training. When my children were in grade school we had this character who'd get invited to schools to show off his excellent fossil collection. He had permission from school administrators to visit classrooms and quite a few teachers loved him because he was entertaining and personable and they could count his presentations as a science lab in their lesson plans.

The guy was also a creationist. His presentations weren't overtly religious, but talking to him in private I learned he attributed nearly all of earth's complex geology to Noah's flood. He never said that explicitly in his public classroom presentations but he didn't say anything that contradicted his belief either.

My children went to public schools. I soon learned his presentations to private Evangelical Christian schools and and adult church groups were something else entirely.

Eventually a few like minded parents and myself got him banned from the local public schools. Alas, as a "persecuted" Christian that probably increased his popularity among the anti-intellectual religious people.

I later saw his name among the speakers at an outdoor education seminar. He was a no-show to that and I like to think it's because he knew I'd be there.

The most effective way to deal with Creationists isn't debate. Sometime's you've just got to be this guy:







Xolodno

(7,349 posts)
27. If someone wants to build a theme park...
Tue May 16, 2023, 05:54 PM
May 2023

...based on the Bible or any other religious text, well, have at it. If a town/city wants to subsidize a part of it, I have no problem with that as long as they get it all back and then some in future taxes. NFL stadiums are probably the worst offenders of this as the city often needs a long time to recoup the outlay.

Where I do have a problem, is when they try to cross over and force their ideology down the throats in schools, media, law, etc.

Of course, if you really did want to make a theme park based on the Bible, then everyone would have to shed their clothes to walk through the Garden of Eden attraction, see massive bloody re-enactments, etc. Have rides that simulate you being on the walls of Jericho as they fall, etc.

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