white NYC hospital staffer is on leave/under review after trying to take rental bike from black man

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

EDIT: **** update... now it's said that she had rented the bike***

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/a-white-nyc-hospital-staffer-is-on-leave-and-under-review-after-trying-to-take-a-rental-bike-from-a-black-man/ar-AA1bfVzh

[dalton99a]

1. Kick

[Dr. Strange]

14. The original tweet that this was a response to:

Link to tweet

[LisaL]

22. She has the receipt proving she was the one who rented this bike.

So the bike was not on his account.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

2. I am glad that this "Karen" was identified

[brooklynite]

46. Why?

Did she do something wrong?

[Dr. Strange]

49. Well...

Why?

It makes it easier to find her GoFundMe, I suppose: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-sarah-comrie-fight-being-branded-a-karen

[yardwork]

96. Her uncle started the GoFundMe because she was suspended from work and had to hire an attorney.

I am shocked by the rush to judgment on this.

[Bonx]

3. Whoops!: NYC hospital 'Karen' paid for Citi Bike at center of viral fight with black man (link)

Last edited Thu May 18, 2023, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

https://nypost.com/2023/05/18/nyc-hospital-karen-paid-for-citi-bike-at-center-of-fight-with-black-man/

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

9. thx for update

[obamanut2012]

4. The jury is out on thsi for me, because the nurse showed receipts that SHE had rented the bike

I know how these CITI/Lime bikes and scooters work, and if the receipts are legit, she is due a huge apology by many people, especially since she has been villified, and she started crying because she is pregnant and they were pushing against her stomach. I am waiting for a better source than the DM, NY Post, and TMZ.

And, can we stop with the damned "Karen" thing.

[csziggy]

5. Have you actually watched the video?

Any pushing on her pregnant stomach was her pushing against the man's arm, trying to take the bike he'd put on his account. The young man had his hands on the handles of the bike, never took his hands off the bike, never pushed towards the woman. She pushed towards him.

She also took his phone out of his hand. I've seen the video several times and her "crying" was totally fake. She bounces while yelling "Help" and that seems completely fake, too.

[Bonx]

7. Her behavior notwithstanding, she paid for the bike

[csziggy]

12. OK, so why didn't she just lock the bike and walk off?

And the whole “Get off me! Get off me, you’re hurting my fetus,” the woman exclaims while pushing and shoving the young man.

Is belied by the video and the man's response: “I’m not touching you! You’re putting your stomach on my hand,” the young man retorts as she continues to cry out for help.

Her demeanor came off as very fake - the receipts could be equally so. How hard would it have been to sign the bike out before it was re-locked one minute later after the fact to provide a defense for her behavior?

[ARandomPerson]

13. "Why are you hitting yourself?"

https://www.senseiando.com/are-you-hitting-yourself/

"You're putting your stomach on my hand." A common bully tactic.

[LisaL]

23. She needed the bike to get home.

Why was this guy claiming that bike was his?
It certainly doesn't appear to have been his. He hasn't provided any receipts, has he?

[csziggy]

34. There was a whole rack of bikes right behind them

It wasn't as if that was the only bike out there.

[LisaL]

41. So she is not allowed to argue when accused of stealing a bike?

She should report this incident to the police. If her story is accurate, she rented the bike and then was prevented from leaving on the bike by five males. Preventing someone from leaving when they want to leave could be considered kidnapping.

[obamanut2012]

66. It was HER bike, she would be on the hook for teh 1K+ replacement price

Why don't YOU let someone steal your car? I mean, there's a whole lot of them over at the car place.

[yardwork]

153. She'd already rented it. At that point, she's responsible for it.

If somebody else takes it and doesn't return it on time, she's liable. And, at best, she's had to pay for a rental she didn't use.

It's not as simple as saying, "Oh, you can have this one. I'll take another one." She's on the hook for something like a thousand dollars.

[Zeitghost]

58. There are time stamps

Quite trying to blame the victim.

[obamanut2012]

65. "How hard would it have been to sign the bike out before it was re-locked one minute later"

lololololol

Just say you have no damned idea how these bikes work. Because this statement shows you do not.

[yardwork]

157. It's impossible to fake automated receipts.

How do you know she's faking? Are you suggesting that she planned this whole thing? Got somebody to film it? That doesn't make sense.

No matter how you look at it, there's no way for her to have planned and faked this.

YOU might think she's faking being upset, but how could she have planned that?

Is there a correct way to behave when one is scared?

[LisaL]

28. Her behavior?

How was she supposed to behave? Her lawyer says she paid by the bike and was trying to head home after a 12 hour shift, when she was approached by a group of young men who prevented her from leaving. What do you expect her do? It sounds to me that her tears weren't fake, and she was genuinely asking for help in the situation.

[Bonx]

35. I didn't have an issue w/ her behavior. I know others did.

She was completely f*cked over here.

[TheProle]

36. For visibility, not soliciting for her

But it's a goddamn shame that a pregnant healthcare who works a long shift and just wants to go home cannot get angry without being pilloried as a "Karen" (at best) and labeled a racist, at worst.

The rush to judgement, here and elsewhere, based on skin color is confirmation bias writ large.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-sarah-comrie-fight-being-branded-a-karen

[LisaL]

43. And never mind her employer suspended her from her job.

And she has to go in hiding because she is getting death threats.

[yardwork]

93. Why do you assume he had rented the bike?

I've been very surprised by the assumption that she was at fault. She produced a receipt showing that she had rented the bike. He has not presented anything. We don't even know who he is. He, along with a number of other young men, appear to have invaded her space, demanded that she get off the bike, and recorded the whole thing.

Who are the young men? Who recorded this and why? Who put it on the internet?

Why do viewers assume that she was trying to take bike unlawfully, instead of the other way around?

[Takket]

6. why was she trying to take the bike? i didn't see that in the article

was she just trying to steal it so she wouldn't have to pay the rental fee??

[Bonx]

8. She paid for the bike and has the receipt.

[canuckledragger]

19. And staged a hoax attack

in order to get some black folks she doesn't like hurt or killed.

Receipts don't excuse that racist behaviour.

[LisaL]

21. How did she stage anything?

If the bike was hers, then the man claiming it was his bike couldn't have been telling the truth?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. That's one hell of an accusation,

do you have any proof of that?

[TheProle]

33. This is a bad fucking take.

[Ace Rothstein]

37. You have to let yourself be a crime victim or you're racist.

That's where we're at with some people.

[BlueLucy]

74. Why is the time blocked out?

It looks like she blocked the time out of the receipt, why?

[yardwork]

159. I'm not seeing anything blocked out. Where do you see that?

[BlackSkimmer]

38. Please make that make sense.

You mean she got these guys somehow to verbally harass her for some reason?

She has the receipt for the bike.Where are these guys anyway? Have they provided a receipt? Have they even spoken up?

[Hortensis]

52. Canuck, did a preconception fall on its head or something?

Maybe escort it to the curb and leave it? When something's inexcusable, time to dump it.

[sarisataka]

60. Some arguments.

Remind me of Austin Powers playing blackjack. Ride that losing hand all the way into the ground.

[obamanut2012]

64. Oh stop it -- she did no such thing

Gotta ride this narrative til the end, no matter the facts, don't you?

[BlackSkimmer]

79. Spot on.

There's quite a few on that ride. Fascinating.

Has anyone ever heard from the men? Anything?

Probably giggling that their little stunt went viral.

[yardwork]

160. That's what I think. A TikTok stunt that succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

[yardwork]

158. What?! How did she stage the attack?

Are you suggesting that she lured a group of young men over, in order to stage this? How?

How do you know she "didn't like them?" Did she know them?

What you're saying doesn't make sense.

[Sympthsical]

10. So a group of people bullied a pregnant hospital worker

Huh.

Well, this is all a look.

[LisaL]

29. And her employee put her on leave.

Isn't life grand?

[Sympthsical]

30. I like the doubling down

Something with her tone?

A pregnant hospital worker coming off a 12 hour shift accosted by a group of teens.

And, honestly, her tone is the real problem here. She probably deserved it.

Because of the tone.

Ah well. At least we get to play yet another rousing game of, "Wait a minute. Who's the racist here?"

Seems to be happening more and more frequently of late.

[LisaL]

31. I guess a pregnant woman who just worked 12 hour shift is always supposed

to have a pleasant tone, no matter what.

[Sympthsical]

32. When I finish my nursing degree

I plan on using it as my excuse for all kinds of bad behavior.

"You seem like you're in a bad mood."
"I just finished a 12 hour shift at the hospital!"

"Are you going to take the garbage out?"
"I just finished a 12 hour shift at the hospital!"

"You just ran over a puppy."
"I just finished a 12 hour . . . oh."

An unpleasant tone is practically the best outcome. Then consider the pregnancy.

What gets me is how people were criticizing/making fun because she was crying.

Like, what? Do people understand how exhausted that woman must've been. Then to deal with that shit from a bunch of teenagers? I'm impressed she had the presence of mind to stand up for herself and not take it.

Fuck the internet, sometimes. It gathers up the worst and the dumbest and stickies them up into pointless mobs.

[BlackSkimmer]

39. As usual, you said it better than I could.

This story is unreal.

[yardwork]

161. A woman criticized for having the wrong "tone."

Where have I heard that before...

[sarisataka]

177. Some will ask a woman

If she yelled for help.

Others ask why are you yelling for help in that tone.

It is all about doubting the woman's story

[yardwork]

178. E. Jean Carroll was criticized by Trump's lawyer for not screaming.

Here, a woman is criticized for calling for help while she thinks she's being mugged.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

179. It's damned if a woman does and damned if a woman doesn't.

[yardwork]

180. Exactly.

[pinkstarburst]

80. Exactly. They owe her a huge effing apology.

I hope she sues the hospital system.

[yardwork]

152. Yeah, I'm truly perplexed as to how she's at fault.

I'm ready to be convinced that the young man genuinely believed he'd rented the bike, too, BUT who filmed this, and why?

Why the rush to judgment against this woman? Makes me very suspicious.

And "fake crying" - ???

Is there a proper way to be frightened? A correct way to behave when one thinks that one is being mugged?

[ARandomPerson]

11. Doesn't pass the smell test.

What are the odds that a pregnant, 30-year old woman in scrubs, getting off from her hospital shift, decides to get into a confrontation with a group of male teenagers in order to steal a rental bike?

Ignoring the race part completely, there is no way that happens. No way. Teenagers are terrible. Male teenagers are especially terrible. I fully expect they were messing with her for TikTok likes or some shit like that. And now she's been suspended from her job and her identity and address have been posted online? Equal parts awful and ridiculous.

Why do people fall for this kind of nonsense? It smelled like a hoax from the start.

[canuckledragger]

17. Yes, it smelled like a hoax from her.

Why do you make excuses for racism?

[Ace Rothstein]

18. She brought the receipt showing she paid for it.

In what world is that racist?

[inthewind21]

50. Why do you

Double down on bullshit? Even when there's proof it's bullshit?

[canuckledragger]

181. Why do you lot persist in attacking the messenger?

Why would a group like that pull something like this?

Why do YOU persist on doubling down on bullshit?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

182. Why do you persist on posting bullshit?

[yardwork]

165. How did she perpetuate this hoax?

She managed to lure a group of young men over to where she was sitting on a bike and get them to accuse her of stealing it... wait.

OR, she planned it in advance by telling them some story and got them to act out their part while making herself look foolish while being filmed, wait, no...

There is no rational way to explain how she could have perpetuated a hoax.

[LisaL]

42. She should report it to the police.

Let the five males tell their side of the story to the police. I am sure they can be easily found thanks to the video. Let them explain why they claimed that bike belong to one of them.
If her story is accurate, they prevented her from leaving on the bike she rented, which could be considered kidnapping.

[yardwork]

162. Bingo. "Equal parts awful and ridiculous."

Interesting and sad to see the knee jerk reactions here blaming a woman for defending herself.

[ismnotwasm]

15. Yeah she's a huge asshole

She got a lawyer from what I understand

[boston bean]

16. Record at this time shows she paid for the bike.

https://news.yahoo.com/receipts-show-hospital-worker-accused-170920174.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIzkU-mQLKmVMfoTeKpqrSfj9u-cAkjMyN4Ize0vkfIg9Az1a3UnQEq5kbUvpDtreACJrR9OR_oAHk_5mGmWrHzjaFJby9Cgc2m2Q_XrePFHpwr7fvnJbVLpq_tGsulTyEXA87uexq1bsaWxqXhQX6x1wKjVinB1MSvttAv4Af0W

[LisaL]

24. How in the world is she an asshole?

If she paid for the bike, then she wasn't try to steal the bike from anyone.

[ismnotwasm]

62. Why don't people go find out the entire story?

Also, it’s about her behavior. Which I shouldn’t have explain was atrocious and dangerous

[obamanut2012]

67. Yes, why don't you find out teh whole story?

Because your narrative is incorrect and non-factual.

The men swarming her is what was atrocious and dangerous.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

88. That is fucking hilarious,

asking why people don't go find out the entire story when that's exactly what you didn't do.

[LisaL]

89. I don't see anything wrong with her behavior.

A woman surrounded by males and physically prevented from leaving on the bike she rented might be reasonably scared and might just ask for help.

[yardwork]

167. Except you do have to explain it.

How was her behavior "atrocious and dangerous?"

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. Why is she "a huge asshole"?

She does, after all, have the receipt showing she rented the bike, so please explain your nonsensical post.

I doubt very seriously that she's the asshole, but....................

[yardwork]

166. Gasp. Who knew that getting a lawyer was proof of being an asshole.

She was suspended from her job, so I guess she needs an attorney.

Who are the young men, by the way?

[xmas74]

184. She has an employment attorney

To assist her with her suspension.

[LisaL]

20. That bike was rented by her.

She has the receipt.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/bellevue-worker-seen-in-citi-bike-video-has-receipts-showing-she-rented-bike-lawyer/4346955/

[NotVeryImportant]

40. If she's got the receipts she's in the clear

One or two innocent people might get falsely labeled as a Karen in these times.

From what I gather, seems to be a legit mixup that she's ending up on the wrong side of the stick of publicly.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

44. that's what I am hearing.

[BannonsLiver]

45. The people attacking now look like fools and try hards.

🤷‍♂️

[phylny]

47. We've been discussing this for awhile.

She rented the bike, they surrounded her.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217933023

[Renew Deal]

48. You should change your subject line since it's been proven to be untrue

AKA a lie

[obamanut2012]

51. Yet one of the many reasons I hate this "White Woman Karen" bullshit

I loathe it.

[RobinA]

53. I Get Sick

of this constant playing of race cards. Every damn time. It's dishonest, and in plays into the hands of the other side.

[obamanut2012]

56. I think each instance needs to be examined, but --

This is a pregnant nurse literally being swarmed by several mean much bigger than her, and she is the one automatically accused of being a "racist Karen" because... she is a white women. I was like wtf, then I watched the video and was like, why is one defending HER being swarmed and having her bike stolen??? I use those bikes, I knew it was hers. We were supposed to believe she just walked over, pushed a man off teh bike and was like lol mine? wtaf

It was a setup, it was obvipus watching it, and then she showed the digital receipts. why the fuck she was suspended instead of hr employer defending her is beyond me.

"Pregnant Nurse Swarmed by Group of Men Stealing Her Bike" is more accurate.

[XanaDUer2]

54. Me too nt

[obamanut2012]

55. This is what happens: it is used to control and silence women

[XanaDUer2]

57. It really is

Nt

[BlackSkimmer]

59. Yep. What ever happened to "believe women"?

Funny how that suddenly was rejected by some here.

[XanaDUer2]

70. I know

#believewomen

Unless it doesn't gel with your preconceived biases

[BlackSkimmer]

78. Boom!

Yep.

[ismnotwasm]

61. Came to see if people are still defending that asshole.

Young man’s sister is bringing receipts. But you all do you

[onenote]

63. Link?

[obamanut2012]

72. The poster refuses to show us because we are defending the woman

So, there are no receipts, then is no link. lol

[obamanut2012]

68. Okay, then show us -- we have seen her receipts

Where are his?

[ismnotwasm]

69. No, I won't.

What we are seeing here is a knee jerk defense of a white womens tears and behavior. It is worth noting that woman’s gofundme raised like 100 grand from what I understand.

I expect more from Democratic Underground

[obamanut2012]

71. Figured as much -- you don't have a link

Because there is none.

lol

[Zeitghost]

81. Knee jerk?

The only knee jerk reaction around here were the ones demonizing the woman in the video when it first broke.

Most people were honest enough with themselves to admit they were wrong when she provided proof of her claims. Some doubled down on their bigotry.

[Celerity]

130. +1

[MarineCombatEngineer]

91. Oh my,

this is just comedy gold.

What I can't understand is why you keep attacking this woman when it's been clearly shown that you are wrong.

[yardwork]

168. This is really weak.

What is the proper way to behave while being mugged?

[obamanut2012]

73. hahahhahahah I know now why you aren't showing us the link -- BECAUSE TEH SISTER AND THE GUY LIED

His receipt is one minute AFTER she rented it and he forcibly shoved it back into the lock.

[BlueLucy]

77. Is there a time stamp on her receipt?

It looks like she blocked the time out. Here is the sisters story. I believe the sister and the young men. Ms. Comrie knew exactly what she was doing hollering the way she was for help when no one was hurting her. It looks like he was using the bike and was planning on still using it when she grabbed it and started to take off...

Link to tweet

[obamanut2012]

82. I saw it -- she was the only one who had the bike rented while she was on it

After she was run off, HE rented the bike, approximately five minutes after.

Y'all need to let this go -- she did nothing, and she is going to sue everyone, hopefully, for $$$. I am so fucking tired of this misogynistic, sexist (often ageist) "Karen" bullshit.

on edit: I am not discussing this any more, because y'all are REALLY more than implying some of us -- including me -- are racists for defending a woman swarmed by a bunch of young men.

[LisaL]

87. Yep.

He has two receipts. He docked the bike at 7:19 pm into the docking station. At that point it's no longer his.
It's not on his account since it's docked into the station.
Sarah then tries to rent it. There would be no reason for her to demand his bike since there were lots available. Per her no one was touching the bike at the time. And clearly it was docked and not on his account anymore.
The group of males then force her to get off the bike and then he rents that bike again at 7:25.
Sounds like he wanted that specific bike, even though he docked it in before she rented it.
So it was free for anybody else to rent.

[DVRacer]

83. All this video does is confirm the Nurse's claim

Young man docked the bike at 7:19pm at 7:24 the nurse (Sara) rented it. In the original video he forced it to redock at 7:25. Once you dock a bike it is no longer yours. If you try to follow the sisters story that why did she (Sara) have to take the bike he had docked 5 minutes earlier because there were rows of bikes available why didn’t the young man just do the same thing and rent one of the bikes available? Why get any sort of aggressive about this one if there are more bikes available?

[LisaL]

84. Agree.

If he returned the bike at 7:19, it's no longer his.
Anybody else is free to rent it.
Also, there were lots of bikes available so there would be no reason for her to ask for his bike.

[ismnotwasm]

92. No it doesn't.

Also, the asshole woman is a PA, not a nurse.

[LisaL]

94. Do you understand how a rental works?

Once you return the bike, it's not yours. It's not on your account. You are not the owner of it.
You can't return the bike and still claim it to be yours. Because it's not yours and others are free to rent it. If you return it, and five minutes later somebody rents it, it's their bike. It's not yours. Don't claim it as yours.
Because it's not yours.

[ismnotwasm]

102. So what do you think happened?

[LisaL]

106. It seems very simple.

I'v already outlined numerous times as to what receipts show here.

[ismnotwasm]

115. Let me go check the thread, I'm not seeing it

[yardwork]

171. I'll explain it, then.

From the receipts, the young man had already returned the bike to its dock. Then the young woman rented it and got in it. For some reason he claimed it was his. He pushed the bike back in its dock while she was sitting on it, ending her rental. He then rented it again after she walked away.

Both sets of receipts prove the woman's story was true.

I would believe this was an honest misunderstanding if there hadn't been somebody filming this. Why were they filming it? That's what makes me think it was a prank. Young men have been doing TilTok pranks like this lately. Did they think, "Hey, let's insist that this is our bike and see how she reacts. Let's film it and put ot on the internet."

I don't think that race entered into it.

[LisaL]

85. His receipt ends at 7:19.

Once you return the bike, it's no longer yours. He then rents the bike again six minutes later (presumably after Sarah was forced off it after she rented it).

[MarineCombatEngineer]

107. I'm kinda curious as to why he insisted on that particular bike.

There were plenty of other bikes there to rent, so why stop, harass her and force the bike back into the rack?

[LisaL]

109. A good question indeed.

Seems like Sarah rented it five minutes after he returned it.
Why did insist on this particular bike?

[Ace Rothstein]

120. I've read that it was an e-bike.

I guess the different types of bikes have a different color design and that was supposedly the only e-bike left at the station.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

123. Fair enough,

but she had already rented the bike and those young men had no business harassing her and forcing the bike back into the rack.

[Ace Rothstein]

141. You won't get an argument from me.

Last edited Wed May 24, 2023, 09:41 PM - Edit history (1)

[LisaL]

187. I think they are all e-bikes.

Apparently this one was a newer model.

[yardwork]

140. There are a number of these types of pranks on TikTok lately.

A woman in a store had a bucket dropped over her head while a group of young men laughed and recorded her response.

I suspect this was a prank. "Let's see what this woman does if we insist that it's our bike. Let's film her reaction."

[MarineCombatEngineer]

142. I'm thinking you're correct,

and if that's the case, that's is totally messed up.

[LisaL]

144. To me it now appears he wanted the specific bike he rented

and returned. Which of course once returned is no longer his, since it's a rental, and other people are free to rent it.

[Bonx]

75. No. People are defending the Nurse now.

[ismnotwasm]

98. SHE IS A PHYSICIANS ASSISTANT

People should at least get the basics right, since you all are so righteous.

[LisaL]

101. Does that somehow makes a difference in her renting this bike and being prevented on leaving

on the bike she rented? At the time nobody else could claim possession of it.

[ismnotwasm]

105. lol

[phylny]

76. She had a receipt. If he had one, he needs to

show it.

[LisaL]

86. Hah.

Last edited Wed May 24, 2023, 07:33 PM - Edit history (3)

His receipt shows he returned the bike at 7:19. Once he returns the bike people are free to rent it. He then rents the bike again, six minutes later. Presumably after Sarah was forced off it after she rented it.
If he docked the bike before Sarah rented it, it obviously wasn't in his possession or on his account at the time she tried to rent it.
If he wanted to keep the bike in his possession, why dock it?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

90. Yeah, riiiiigggghhhhttt.

[ismnotwasm]

95. You know. You all are very, very wrong in this.

So sad. Very expected though given the demographic

[LisaL]

97. You are the one who couldn't be more wrong.

NT

[ismnotwasm]

99. No, you

NT

[LisaL]

104. Let me make it really simple for you.

You rent the bike, us it, and dock it in, it's no longer your bike.
Don't physically prevent other people from renting it and claim it to be yours.

[ismnotwasm]

108. What was her lawyers original statement about the bike?

Quick now

[LisaL]

111. Don't order me around.

And there is nothing in her lawyer's story that is inconsistent.

[ismnotwasm]

112. Yes, there is.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

100. You just can't stop being wrong can you?

Well, just keep on digging deeper.

[ismnotwasm]

103. Sure I can

What exactly do you think happened?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

110. It's already been explained to you,

but you keep on doubling down, much to your discredit.

But what the hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

[ismnotwasm]

113. But I'm interested in what you have to say, it's cool if you don't want to of course.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

116. Have to say about what?

Why don't you ask yourself why that young man so badly wanted to re rent that particular bike that he would harass and intimidate a woman who had clearly rented the bike?
Why did he force it back into the rack and then re rent it?
What was so important about that particular bike that he scared the crap out of this woman?
There were plenty of other bikes to rent, so why that one?

Care to answer?

[ismnotwasm]

117. So here is what I think you guys believe

The woman had control of a bike—and despite other bikes being available, a couple of young men came up to her and took it from her, or attempted to, is that correct?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

121. From all the evidence so far,

yes, that is correct.

I notice that you failed to answer the questions.

[ismnotwasm]

124. Well, I usually don't get involved in back and forths, and I am being kind of an asshole.

Did you know that young man was in possession of that particular bike just prior? There are receipts according to the sister, who shows screenshots. The woman apparently shoved the bike into the lock, and scanned it—which explains the short time period. This was just prior to the viral video.

Would that change your mind at all?

[LisaL]

125. Being in possession of it "just prior" and returning it to the docking station

means it's no longer yours.
His receipt shows he returned the bike at 7:19 pm.
His next receipt he rented it again six minutes later.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

126. It doesn't matter if he was in possession just prior,

when it was returned to the rack, his possession of it is over, she rented it between the time he docked it and the time him and his friends came back to re rent it, it's now her rental and he had zero business forcing her to dock it so he could rent it.

If she really wanted to make a big deal of it, she could press charges against him for theft, kidnapping, assault and battery.

I'm glad she didn't, but those young men were very much in the wrong.

[ismnotwasm]

128. So here's the thing

If the sisters account is correct, and there is no reason not to believe her, the woman ignored other bikes on the rack, went to the young man and claimed it. Her own lawyer’s original statement said the bike was unencumbered in any way—or not disputed. It clearly was, as the young man has receipts for it.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

132. It's been explained over and over to you, yet you still cling to the false notion

that she is the aggressor and he is the victim.

Carry on now.

[ismnotwasm]

134. Ok.

[LisaL]

135. His receipts show he returned it at 7:19.

When Sarah rented it, it was no longer his, since he returned it.
Again, it's a rental. Once you return it, it's not yours.
He then rents it again six minutes later, presumably after Sarah was forced off it after she rented it.

[yardwork]

173. Her receipts prove that she's telling the truth.

Once the young man returned the bike - as his receipt shows - then the bike WAS unencumbered. The young woman had a perfect right to rent it.

And, once she'd rented it, she was responsible for it. If she had let him have it, she'd be responsible for it. Apparently she'd owe at least $1,000.

From her point of view she was being mugged. The young man may not have intended that, but it's certainly reasonable for her to feel that way. She was not at fault.

And who filmed this, and why?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

143. No, because what he did prior is irrelevant

Once he pushed it back in to lock it, it was no longer his to take.

[yardwork]

172. In the video we see the MAN shove the bike back into the dock.

It's right there in the video. He ended her rental when he pushed the bike back into its dock. At that point she gets up and leaves, and apparently he re-rented the bike.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

118. People have told you repeatedly

And you refuse to believe facts.

You’re obviously biased against women in general and white women in particular. You of course have the right to your biases, but at least be honest and own them.

[ismnotwasm]

122. What facts?

What do you believe happened?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

139. The receipts with the time stamps

The man rented the bike and then locked it back in the stand, meaning it was no longer his bike.
The woman rented the bike he had locked back in the stand.
When she tried to get the bike that she had rented, he tried to take it from her.
He pushed it back and locked it again and then rented it again.

She reserved the bike, and it was hers to take. Doesn't matter if he had rented it first - once he locked it back in the stand, it was no longer his and available to anyone.

What do YOU think happened?

[sarisataka]

127. Reading profiles can be enlightening

And explain illogical adherence to a position without any factual support.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

129. Wow!!!!

Just went and read the profile, very enlightening.
Now I understand the stance of this particular member.

Whiteness is a scrouge on humanity?

[ismnotwasm]

133. Why yes.

It certainly is. I am assuming you are familiar with the concept of whiteness as a dominant socio-economic structure?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

136. Now I understand why you're attacking the woman

while defending the young man.

Could it be because she's white and he's a POC?

[ismnotwasm]

131. As are reading

Signature lines.

[sarisataka]

137. Could you elaborate

[ismnotwasm]

147. Could you?

[sarisataka]

151. It makes sense that you

Will not entertain the thought the woman may be the victim here.

Whiteness is a scourge on humanity.

Given that as a starting point, of course she is at fault.

Your turn.

[sarisataka]

189. No reply?

Not surprised

[Sympthsical]

145. Yikes

Just yikes.

Some people are just very chill with racism.

[ismnotwasm]

148. Are you inferring that I am "racist" against.... White people?

[Jedi Guy]

154. I don't think anyone needs to infer or imply that at all.

Your "About Me" section in your profile says it pretty clearly without anyone else needing to be involved, I'd say.

Your dogged, relentless unwillingness to accept facts and reason and your insistence on reversing the roles of victim and aggressor in this incident come across as a deliberate attempt to force it to comply with the preconceived notion that one ethnicity is always the victim and the other is always the aggressor.

You really should entertain the notion that reality is far more nuanced than that, though. Because it is.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

156. +100.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

163. Wish I could rec this post n/t

[ismnotwasm]

170. Ok

So the difference is, I believe the young man and his sister over that woman and her lawyer. I believe that systemic racism is very real, and needs dismantling. I believe that racism is a lot about power structures.

All these things I believe.

I am not sure what “facts or reason” you are referring to, and it’s really not that hard to see the wholes in the woman’s story.

What is interesting here, is the young man’s story is at least as valid as the woman’s story, more so actually. People defending that young man have gotten death threats. The woman has raised a lot of money off people, some well meaning, some less so.

How much nuance would you like?

I am on an anonymous internet discussion board—been here a long time. I know it’s general demographic. I know it’s history. I understand how people behave.

When it comes to anti-racist work, this is not the first place I turn to.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

175. So, you still believe the young man and his sister despite being shown, quite clearly,

that what they say is a lie

Oh, I think racism is a part of this discussion.

[yardwork]

176. Well, I too do anti-racist work, and... you're doing it wrong.

At this point I think you're just playing games.

[Jedi Guy]

185. Okay, there's kind of a lot to unpack here.

So the difference is, I believe the young man and his sister over that woman and her lawyer. I believe that systemic racism is very real, and needs dismantling.

Only a fool would deny that systemic racism is real, or that it needs dismantling. But it doesn't follow from that that the young man's story is necessarily true or that he was automatically the victim in this incident. It can be true that systemic racism is real and has severe detrimental effects on people of color, and it can also be true that people of color are sometimes in the wrong in an interaction with a non-POC. The reality of systemic racism does not confer angelic status upon people of color in their dealings with non-POC.

I believe that racism is a lot about power structures.

This shift in the definition of racism over the last ten or so years has been very interesting to watch. The currently popular definition of racism, from what I've seen, and the one you're espousing, holds that it must be wedded to a power structure to be true racism, and those outside the power structure cannot be racist. Therefore, people of color cannot be racist towards White people, for instance.

That is, to use a friend's term, "boolsheet." Sorry, not sorry. Morally speaking, racism is wrong and pernicious no matter which party it originates from or which it's directed towards. Racial hate is wrong, full stop. This new definition of racism seeks to make it a phenomenon that only White people engage in and that only people of color are wounded by. The wounds of the one and the wounds of the other may not be at all comparable in terms of severity, but to reiterate, there is zero moral difference.

I am not sure what “facts or reason” you are referring to, and it’s really not that hard to see the wholes in the woman’s story.

What is interesting here, is the young man’s story is at least as valid as the woman’s story, more so actually. People defending that young man have gotten death threats. The woman has raised a lot of money off people, some well meaning, some less so.

Except his story isn't as valid as hers, as has been shown to you repeatedly in this thread. I'm not going to waste the time or electrons to reiterate it. The facts have been presented to you, over and over, and you deny them to cling desperately to this notion that the White woman is the villain and the young Black man is her victim. The facts thus far simply do not support that narrative.

How much nuance would you like?

Exactly as much nuance as exists in reality. White people are not always villains, people of color are not always victims. Reality simply doesn't work that way. It never has and it never will, your preconceived notions notwithstanding.

When it comes to anti-racist work, this is not the first place I turn to.

If there is anything you take away from our discussion today, please pause and consider, with all due gravity and seriousness, the idea that you may have become, to at least some degree, that which you oppose. He who fights monsters, and all that.

[Sympthsical]

169. When you refer to a race as a scourge

And no, I never buy the logic twisting around of it - so you can save it.

There is a problem.

[yardwork]

174. Well, buddy, your profile kind of says that, yeah.

[yardwork]

138. Let's see the receipts. Not really sure why this woman is an "asshole."

I was ready to believe that this was a misunderstanding, and neither party was at fault. It's starting to look like this was either attempted theft of the woman, or a TikTok prank.

[ismnotwasm]

146. Because of the way she handled it

Yelling help, fake crying, garnering public sympathy when she she realized it was being filmed. I actually don’t care about the bike situation as much.

[LisaL]

149. She rented the bike then was prevented from leaving on it.

Surrounded by a bunch of males. She doesn't know what they are up to. The bike with her on it is physically pushed back into docking station so she is prevented from leaving. She can't call for help? Really?

[yardwork]

150. Well, if I was being robbed, I would call for help.

Is there a correct way to respond to being mugged?

Maybe this was a genuine misunderstanding on the side of all parties, but I have a lot of questions.

Who filmed it, and why?

Why is there an assumption that she is "fake crying?"

She was by herself, and the young man was part of a group. Why would he be the one in danger?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

155. Why is it that you can't admit that you are wrong, especially with the clear

proof that she rented the bike after he docked it, which would no longer make it his rental.

I think I know why, but I would like to hear it from you.

[LisaL]

186. Yep, his receipts show he docked the bike at 7:19.

She rented the same bike at 7:24, which was five minutes after he returned it.
So it wasn't his rental bike at the time she rented it.
She was then prevented from leaving, and he and his friends docked the bike back into the station with her on it.
So her rental only lasted one minute, after which he rented that same bike again.

[Bonx]

188. Because this person appears to be very racist about white people.

from their about me: "Whiteness is a scourge on humanity."
Not sure how this is allowed here, but am not surprised it is.

[obamanut2012]

190. wow seriously

[MarineCombatEngineer]

164. Oh, so you were there and witnessed it?

Well, why the hell didn't you say so in the first place?
This would explain your certainty that she was the aggressor and not the victim.